Where did you buy him?  Not likely to be a rescue as they do not generally hand out the papers. 
If it was from a pet shop or dealer I would be inclined to not bother trying but if he came via a previous owner you could try just Googling the name and the breed or contact the breed club and ask them to pass your enquiry on if they happen to be a member.

Thanks for getting back, i got this boy from someone in staffs about a month ago from an add off gumtree, they gave me his papers but they were not in his name (who i got him from) ........... so i have tried to ring the number of last owner but it dont exist anymore. the breeder is on the form so do i contact him to get this sorted, i want the dog in my name. i fell in love with him and this man who i bought him from was just interesed in the money i think he got him free and i think he may have abused him as he cowers bless him

> they gave me his papers but they were not in his name (who i got him from) ...........

Have you checked he is not stolen?
Yes, I would contact the breeder to let him know what has happened to his pup but he cannot help you transfer the ownership I am afraid. Only the current registered owner can sign for the transfer.

no i have not checked he is not stolen, how would you do this.
he came with his microchip papers, this is again why i need him in my name incase he ever went missing

I can not contact the last owner would the kennel club be able to help i have all papers 5 gen everything

The breeder may be unaware he has been 'passed on' and if reputable and caring be very relieved to have contact with you.

As has been said you can google the names of the parents and see if show results and names come up.  If they do then people in the breed and breed clubs may well be able to help you contact the breeder.

Alternative you could write to the breeder and asks the kennel club to pass on your letter to them.

If this is a puppy then the registration certificate will have a unique code on it that you can use to transfer ownership on-line.  Though I would still as a breeder myself urge you to try and contact the breeder, this will be useful as you can find out more about the parents and other relatives, and of course they may be nice people who will want to know where one of their pup is.

Stooge his registered owners are still the breeder.

It is very common for new owners to not bother transferring pups into their name.  According to KC records I won around 45 dogs when the records should only show 8 two of which are deceased.

Are the microchip details in the persons name who you bought him from? And have they signed the back so that you can transfer the microchip details into your name?

In the eyes of the law the dog is yours, but you do really need to change his microchip details over, the kc reg has nothing to do with this and is entirely seperate.

> Stooge his registered owners are still the breeder.
>

I am not quite clear from the story whether there is another owner between the breeder and the one that sold him to the OP.  Pehaps it could be clarified.

> no i have not checked he is not stolen, how would you do this.
> he came with his microchip papers,

Simply check with the microchip people.

the OP said that he bought the dog from the person who had bought it from the breeder but never transfered it to their name before passing it on.

Quote from OP: "......i got this boy from someone in staffs about a month ago from an add off gumtree, they gave me his papers but they were not in his name (who i got him from) ........... so i have tried to ring the number of last owner but it dont exist anymore. the breeder is on the form so do i contact him to get this sorted,....)

I recently had back a 6 year old dog for re-homing, got duplicate registration papers for him (originals mislaid by the surrendering owner) as he was still in my name, homed him to new owners, and he is still in my name! 

So he has had two owners apart from me, but as far as the KC know I kept him since birth.

Did he?  Who's this then

>they were not in his name (who i got him from) ........... so i have tried to ring the number of last owner

If he were still in the breeders name wouldn't the breeders name and address be on the documents

As the papers were unsigned he tried to ring the former owner who he got dog from but no joy, so wants to contact the breeder who is listed as the owner and breeder on the registration cert.

If he were still in the breeders name the breeders name and address would be on the documents.
I'm still not sure that mention of a former owner is the same as the person that sold it.

Not sure if they still put the breeders addy on the reg forms that go with pups, can't say I took much notice, and I sent mine back to get an owners one without the advertising garbage overlapping it???

he is 4 years of age. the man i got him off gave me all papers but said i need to get them all changed to my name i think he was to tight to get them changed to his name.
I think he got him free then just sold him on to me im from liverpool and went miles to get him. he said he had had him 2 weeks,

i will try contact breeder . His name is J P clark staffordshire bull terrier breeder from stoke on trent. if anyone knows anything about him or could find anything about him tell me thanks

What are his parents names?

is there not an address under the breeders name?

if no address ring the KC registration people ,as you have papers they would help even if they gave you the breeders address or at least write to him on your behalf ...I would ring them I cant see they can refuse to help ....It is his KC reg papers youve got and not his pedigree chart isnt it ?

sorry crossed threads ......im a bit confused (not difficult ! )Right the KC paper youve got ....does it list the current owner as someone different from the breeder?   And on the back has anyone signed the transfer of ownership?

Just looked at the current registration form for one of the dogs.

At the top is says current registered owner (and lists my name and address)

Next we have the dogs registered name, long with spaces for DOB, reg no.and tattoo/chip numbers

Below that is breeders name, then sire and dams names and health tests etc.

So there should be an address you can write to???

You can change ownership online, so really don't need a signature, just the codes off the front of the KC registration documents?  But probably best if you could contact the breeder just in case this dog was gained illegally

the dog is 4 years old so there won't be a code to use as the on-line transfer facility is more recent.

Whose name is on the 5 gen pedigree? You may find the name & address of breeder on there :0)

Is this dog the sire to the pups that yourself and craigeee have recently had?  If so to only have the dog 4 months and breed him to your bitch is a bit rash, you surely haven't had time to have all health checks etc done as a pregnancy takes 9 weeks and the pups are now almost 2 weeks.

I hope that the dog was not stolen, sounds to have been passed around an awful lot poor thing.

The pups may need to go unregistered if you can not sort things out, but hopefully this dog will have a lifelong home this time.

Apologies, you got this dog 4 weeks ago from an ad not 4 months ago. Gosh your taking on a lot with pups too. This may also be why your bitch was extra stressed having a strange male dog in the house two weeks prior to whelping it could well have added to her stress.

sharons sweet princess (mum) mitchells pride (dad)  x

Not sure what you mean.  Is Mitchells Pride the dog we are talking about in this thread?

Trouble is once the breeder has signed the KC registration papers over, the dog is no longer theirs, the way I read it the KC paper is not in the breeders name but one of the many previous owners names who our OP can not get in touch with. The breeder can not even if traced sign the dog over to you it is no longer theirs to do so, only the person named on the papers can.

The microchip you may have more luck with as if you contact the provider they will see if the dog was stolen straight away if not they will most probably send you a change of details form they often will do this without the previous owners signature if you explain the circumstances. :-)

Neither of those names has an affix/kennel name so they are unlikely to be serious breeders :(

No show results come up for either parent, so sadly it looks like the dog is one of the countless back yard bred 'pin money' litters bred from parents that were also casually bred.

The breeders probably know very little of the background of your dog other than his parents :(  Though they may be kindly pet owners who may take some interest if you contact them.

Stooge these are the names of the dogs parents.  No affix so not sure how easy it would be to find out but as others said if the dog wasn't transferred into new ownership the breeders name will be on the paperwork.  Also the breeder would of signed the back of the paperwork so if it's signed in theory you can just send it off tothe KC with your details on it.

sorry brainless but i have the kennelclub 5 generation papers here and he is k c reg, the man who bred them is j p clark, my dog is L2 GHA clear and HC clear its on his papers thanks for your help though

i emailed the kennel club before they have my dogs mum and dads name on there books just not on there data , so you dont no as much as you think , your nasty lol

>they have my dogs mum and dads name on there books just not on there data

I don't understand; the Kennel Club's books are their 'data'.

There is nothing nasty saying your dogs parents do not have an affix, they don't and the fact they don't means the breeder was probably breeding from their pets, that does not mean they did not register the pups and if your dog has registration papers as well as a pedigree then they obviously did.

Must say I thought that the KC added their own affix if one was not provided but may be they only do that when asked.

I thought the kennel club only added their own prefix if there were no names submitted by the breeder?

dont undrstand

I don't know how it works with the KC prefix but I know of a KC reg'd police dog (his details can be verified via the KC website with health tests etc so he is def. reg'd) that has no KC prefix and none from the breeder either.

My post was in response to nova with regards to kennel names.

Yes, one of mine is an ex police dog, bred by them. He does not have a prefix but has the registered name that the police chose for him.

i emailed the kennel club before they have my dogs mum and dads name on there books just not on there data

Both show up on the KC website, but without any health tests done.

joey82 - so you have the breeders name but no other contact details?  You also have one of the previous owners name address and telephone number but the tel no is not working?  Presumably you've tried Googling the names/address of the people you have with the breed of your dog or asking directory enquiries?

If you have an address of one of the previous owners try writing to them recorded delivery explaining the situation.  You can also ring the microchip company to check if the dog is registered missing or stolen and to ask their advice about transferring details to your name in case of loss or theft.

If you want to find the breeder - you could check the breed club list of breeders to see if you can find a match with the name you have or check Facebook.

**Incidentally what breed is he?

The OP mentions the breeders name in connection with Staffordshire Bull Terriers. Maybe if the OP were to give the dogs KC reg name and date of birth someone who gets the BRS would be able to get more info about the litter and possible transfers of this dog and it's siblings and any other breeding history registered by this person.

Even if you do eventually find the breeder, the chances are, they are not the ones who need to sign the reg docs.  They would have signed the original when sold to the 1st owner.  The person who needs to sign the papers is the registered owner. If these are the people that you have not been able to contact or trace, there is nothing you nor the breeder can do about it. 

I am sure the breeder would like to know where her dog is, but to be honest, if it were me, I would be unhappy it had been sold on to another breeder.  :-(

> dont understand

When a breeder is serious about their breeding they will generally apply for a Kennel club Affix/Kennel name, it's like a trademark or surname (this has an annual fee as well as an initial fee) then all the dogs they register will be kennel name something, as they are one assumes proud of what they are breeding so want all their dogs associated with each other, and found a line.

So for example you register a Kennel name as Spitfire, you breed from your bitch and register the puppies, they would be for example Spitfire Gem, spitfire Erik, Spitfire Jack of spades etc etc.  This makes them readily identifiable as bred by the same person.

The parents of your dog have no affix, so there is nothing to link the family together. 

The Kennel club Health checker results for mitchells pride, Staffordshire Bull Terrier, show "There are no screening records for this dog".  For the mother Sharons Sweet Princess, Staffordshire Bull Terrier, "There are no screening records for this dog.

So they are definitely Kennel club registered, but the lack of a Kennel name and lack of health tests shows they are 'Back Yard' bred, not bred by the most responsible kind of breeder.

> I don't know how it works with the KC prefix

I believe it is used when the breeder doesn't select any names for the puppies or if they don't provide two word names.

As long as a breeder gives two words for a name that don't infringe an existing affix you will have a name without an affix.

I believe it is used when the breeder doesn't select any names for the puppies or if they don't provide two word names.

Thanks Brainless that was what I was not sure of. Have heard of people who have seemed surprised to be given an Ken*** affix so had wondered if they were given to all but then again knew that they were not. Can see the sense in requiring at least 2 names.

Was also trying to point out what you were saying was not rude just the natural assumption to make. I wondered if the OP only had the pedigree and chip paperwork and not the actual registration paper as what is being said seems confusing. Perhaps the KC can let the new owner know who the breeder is (if not the address) it is after all in the public domain as it will be in the BRS

To be honest, if you bought the dog off gumtree because the current 'owner' wanted shot of him, you cant contact the breeder and you cant contact the owner that was listed at the top of the papers.  Then as you love him so much, there wont be a need to register him in your name.  Just be glad that you have him out of that situation and dont worry about the paperwork, a lot of pedigree pups that end up in rescue sadly, dont even go with their papers.  If he is just going to be a forever family pet that isnt going to be shown, bred from and live with you until the day he dies then it doesnt matter really as you wont need the papers.  Thats unless you bought him to breed from?

Just edited to say, Ive done a two second google search on J P Clarke Stoke on trent Staffie and found the telephone number of the 'breeder' in question on a Staffordshire Bull Terrier forum.  I will PM you with it, but its from 2007.

Grrrrrrrrrrreat.. just what the breed needs.... oh and btw, Joey82 it's L2-Hga, NOT GHA.  Sheesh.

Is this dog the father of the litter you have, the one who's mother bit you?

Do you want your dog in your name so that you can register the litter?

I have to admit being amazed at these kind people bending over backwards to facilitate your wish to get this dog registered in your name.