As some of you know, I've just got the most beautiful new little dal girl called Daisy, who's 8 weeks old (and a little star). This means that in a few months time she'll be coming into season .... and we've got Piglet, who's nearly 12 years old and entire. We emphatically do not want any contact of that nature between them, ever, but are unsure what will be the best course of action. I'm loth to castrate him because of his age, but equally I don't want him (or us!) to have the stress of having such temptation thrust upon him, as it were, and the distress that keeping them apart will cause. His nature is such that there's nobody he can go and stay with, and kennels are out of the question. I've been advised that Tardak isn't the way to go, and have heard of problems with Suprelorin. Can anyone advise?

Not quite the same situation as you but very similar. I have an 8 week old girlie puppy and an entire male who is 4yrs old. He is on Suprelorin and will continue to be on it as his behaviour is so much better since being on it. I'm not going to tempt fate as I don't want any hanky panky going on between mine regardless of their age (different breeds) so either the boy will have to go and stay with friends/homeboarder or the bitch will hopefully either go back to the breeder or she will have to stay with friends elsewhere.. I also loathe to castrate my boy too, but I have been told the first season isn't that bad its the subsequent ones that you really need to worry about? Again i'll have to rethink castration if it becomes a problem though..

My bitch's first season resulted in 6 puppies. The breeder from whom we obtained her at 1 year old had sent the stud dog off on his holidays to avoid any such event, but evidently he got there secretly before he went......

What about trying Daisy in kennels?
I've put in season bitches into kennels before when they have coincided with trips away, for instance .  I know my kennels well and they also breed occasionally so know all about the risks. 
They always place them in the "quiet" block and I have never had a problem.  You could always sound out any nearby kennels and see if they inspire you with confidence or look for recommendations.

Only positive experiences of Suprelorin here and would continue to use it wasn't it for the fact that it will be cheaper in the long run to castrate -but what about asking Daisy's breeder if they can have her during the season?

I prevent any accidental matings by making the bitch wear hygiene panties and when I can't physically watch them one or other is crated in a crate off the ground with no access from visitors looking for hanky panky.

The male gets vanilla extract[not essence] smeared on his nose and chest to distract him from the smell of the female[ I tried all sorts of other things which didn't work], I am pretty sick of the smell by the time the season is over.

I tried sending Rhuari to my Mum's but he went on hunger strike and she returned him after a week as the constant whining under his breath and him not eating was more than she could stand.

So for the past 4 years I have just learnt to manage the situation, I think it is harder when there is more than one human in the house and not everyone is being as diligent about keeping the dogs apart.

I've just left a post on a similar subject.

I have an 8 year old male and my bitch is 13 months old. This is her first season. I have managed for the past 8 years by crating them in the same room. I tried sending him away, and I do not trust anyone to keep my bitch away from other dogs. The only place I would have sent her was owned by her breeder ;-) , but they sold up and I do not know the new owners.

It isn't easy having opposite sexes and I won't be doing it again. Thankfully my older 2 bitches have now been neutered.

so why not spay the bitch when she is older?

There are other advantages in useing Superlorin in older dogs. Benign Prostatic Hyperplasia can afflict the older male and this drug acts on the Prostate.... a problem area for old boys :-)

That doesn't help with the first season, or subsequent sseasons until the bitch does get spayed. Personally, I spay my bitches once they are not going to be bred on from, but until that decision has been made they obviously have to remain entire. JG was asking for help and advice for when her puppy does eventually come into season.

> so why not spay the bitch when she is older?

probably as she will be probably be shown and possibly bred from.

>so why not spay the bitch when she is older?

Two main reasons: a) she's a potential showdog who might possibly be bred from in the future, and b) I would never spay a bitch before her first season no matter what, so would still need to organise matters for then.

>What about trying Daisy in kennels?

I thought about that but realised that good kennels are booked up well in advance and I wouldn't know when she'd come into season! Not only that, I think it'd be unfair on the other dogs in there to be tormented by that odour during such a stressful time anyway. Plus, of course, I wouldn't trust anyone else to be completely reliable when they've got so many other dogs to look after.

> I wouldn't trust anyone else to be completely reliable when they've got so many other dogs to look after.

The kennels I use breed so are well aware of the need for diligence and have a set of kennels to one side with a seperate exercise area.  As their own bitches will have seasons, as will visiting bitches possibly, the dogs in residence including her own are always going to have some risk of frustration so if the kennels are willing to take and think they can handle it all I don't think that should be your worry.
I can see what you mean about being difficult to plan for this though but you never know they may have cancellations.  Volcanic dust etc :)

>one or other is crated in a crate off the ground with no access from visitors looking for hanky panky.

This is how mine are managed. 

JG if it would help quite happy to have Daisy here as we are not too far away.

I can get a dog sitter to come in when I am not at home for any length of time :-)

She is a very trustworthy person who I would trust 100% who is kitten sitting next week for us :1)

>JG if it would help quite happy to have Daisy here as we are not too far away.

Lucy, that might be the ideal solution. I'll be in touch. :-)