Ok I would like to know if I am missing anything please ?
Brooke is about 10ish weeks old, still very young so far hasnt got aclue about housetraing totally random so as to be expected it is up to me !
I am taking her out first thing, when she wakes, after playing, after eating and roughly 30 mins in between that . Yes i stand there in the right place doing boring .I can do boring very well This morning at 5 0/c it was 20 mins (she last went out at about midnight with oh) still nothing put her back in her crate and 30 mins later outside again with oh still nothing then guess what a pooh in doors.
This seems to be our pattern atm. Now what can I do better ?, btw if she does anything in doors it is ignored when she does on occasion do it in the right place I do the praise etc 
My previous dogs have all been 12 /13 weeks when I had them maybe I am expecting too much but getting outside for 20 mins then 10 mins later off she goes indoor is anoying and somehow I shopuld be able to do better for her.

Just watch her more closely (easier said then done I know, I am the world's worst housetrainer!) and don't expect too much at such a young age. Lots of praise when she does it right, and watch like a hawk while she's inside for any hint she wants to go.

Dont be too hard on yourself.You appear to be doing all the right things.It will all come together eventually - 'persevere and praise' !

I go out with mine and wander slowly saying wee wees (for both), and then lots of praise (not enough to startle).

I had two of her sisters here to 11 weeks and one to 12 weeks and they were all pretty much clean as long as the door was left open.

At night they were in a puppy pen and there would be a we or a poo or two by morning but by 12 weeks most mornings it was clean with only a fresh we where they had been asking to go out and I had not got there in time.

Since 12 weeks mine started climbing out of the pen but still holding on until I let her out, by 13 weeks she was clean all night with a rare accident in kitchen if left in the day.

sounds great.

Well her mother was not reliable with wees until about 5 months or more (worst I ahve ever had), they are all different, but all get there in the end.

The trick is to praise while they are going in the right place, clean up out of her sight any accidents.

Thanks folks seems like am going about it the right way still. Doing all you have suggested but obviously need to watch her closer indoors. Gosh thats hard I cant spend all day in the kitchen and everytime I leave it whoops there is another puddle.
She is very young poor baby, is a sleep atm and has slept through yet another meal. Trying to get 4 meals in her spaced out is hard enough too she keeps falling asleep, life must be so much fun she is tired lol

Our pup that we've had exactly a week (she was 10 weeks old yesterday) was left in a kitchen with puppy pads. Needless to say, she was far from house broken!

I now however, take her as soon as I wake up - about 7am, I feed her at 8am and take her out again, just in case and thereafter, out about every hour.
I have found if I take her more often than that, she's not interested in using the loo and just thinks it's a fun game. When she does go outside she is paired with a 'busy busy' command and praised, so now she is coming round to the idea that 'busy busy' means 'Ok go now!'. So far we have had a couple of accidents inside, by my careless watching, but I could not ask for more from her as she is doing so well. In the evenings, her water intake is reduced a little before bed and she is left in her crate overnight. She is taken out about midnight and again at about 3.30am and then she is left until 7am.

It has worked a treat and I am so pleased with her - maybe try taking your pup every hour rather than every half hour? That way when you take her out and she pees and is praised, she will make the association a little quicker that several unsuccessful peeing attempts where she thinks it's playtime.

Good luck!

> Gosh thats hard I cant spend all day in the kitchen and everytime I leave it whoops there is another puddle.
>

That was me in 2008, no sommer was my back turned and there was another puddle.

Go back to basics. Wait till after a deep sleep, wake her up and carry her outside. She will go!

AS she is performing add a command word to it...'Hurry up' is mine and give copious praise. I clap my hands in applause ( for when she wins as an adult :-) ).
Then I say silly things in an excited voice " lets get a biscuit" and rush indoor to give her a treat. So..she is stringing two things together..
1....'Go' outside
2...the quicker you Go the quicker you get the treat.
Make sure you have shut off her path back to the house until she 'goes' or she will cut to stage two very smartly :-)

The other stuff is easier because of all the circling stuff but after a meal pick her up...rush out with an excited voice ( so she rememers the subsequent follow on treat) 'hurry up' then repeat the rush inside for her reward.

They get the idea of rushing out, getting on with it and getting back in. Great for when the weather gets bad!

Mine will squeeze one out on command most of the time...such a useful thing.

Yep people thats me but the little devil seems to have a bladder like an elephant one minute the needs to go twice in 10 mins. gave her dinner at 2 after she woke up and had been taken out ( no she didnt go after being woken up neither has she been yet. No doubt no I have left the kitchen finally she will do a puddle for me !
Mine in the past have all been trained to be quick and use one area so I am doingthe same this time will have to wait until the penny begins to drop. her big problem atm is she doesnt like being left either I can hear her complaining and I have only been gone 10 mins and she hasplenty of things to chew on and play with, but I guess then thats puppies

I use very strong small cubes of cheese[don't need much to get the taste]which are kept just for house training and given as soon as they perform so they connect the two things.

You are doing the right things it is getting the timing right to suit the pup and when you can't watch them and they haven't been then crate them as they are less likely to soil their bedding.

I too confine mine to a small area to toilet and pick them up and return them to it if they wander off. My cue word is "quick".

Cleaning up thoroughly after any accidents stops them repeating in the same place, I have a spray bottle containing diluted biological washing liquid in it which can be sprayed on the area and wiped up with paper towels which are then binned, never let the pup see me cleaning up the mess.

If the pup is acquired during the winter months then they are trained to wee pads which are then moved nearer the door and then outside,folding it in half each day till eventually they are weeing in the garden and pad is no longer needed.

Has anyone tried a " wee/pee post ", wondered if they worked or not?

Yes cheeeesssse loved by all in this house. Now why didnt I think of that ! Will also get a spray bottle going  I have been using mistral to clear up but wasnt sure if it still had a amonia smell to the dogs.
Otherwise rhodach I am following quite closley what you do even to the quick word.
Funny thing is my other two now respond to" up the back !W developed from the fact that they have to go up the back to "be quick" if you get my jist. hadnt intended that to happen its amazing what us humans do withoutthinking no wonder dogs look at us at times with amazment

I could have written this a few weeks ago :) Everybody was telling me how their puppy had only had a couple of accidents, or was house trained at 11/12 weeks and there was mine seeming not to grasp the concept at all at that age lol

However at nearly 17 weeks she can and does go all night, and during the day we've had no more than the odd accident for the last couple of weeks :) It just seemed to happen - kept doing what I'd been doing since I had her, and suddenly realised I was clearing up puddles much less frequently!

Sounds like you're doing all the right things, so I'm sure she'll soon get the hang of it...they're all different. Good luck!

>Has anyone tried a " wee/pee post ", wondered if they worked or not?

When I added a third dog last year I wanted to ensure that the pup wouldn't get distracted from the pee mission by the others and had planned to use a lead more frequently to keep him on track outside.  However a friend suggested using a pee pen - effectively just an outdoor puppy pen - and I must say it was a huge success.

My boy never got the hang of poohing in there but he'd always do a very quick and reliable wee and not just for me; the pee pen meant that kids, teenagers, could take him outside too and get exactly the same result which was a real help in the early days.  He'd pee on command, almost as soon as his paws hit the grass, then get released to mooch about the garden.  It's worth mentioning that he was, and still is, a 2 pee dog - one for a proper wee and another for fun - so woe betide the family member who brought him back inside after only just one!!

My pen was 4 Croft Panels which I could 'walk' to a different area when I needed too so I had one spot for peeing and another for feeding raw bones.  It was ideal for bones as he could eat in peace and safety from the others and learn to take his time.  I'd take a cup of tea and sit with him whilst he ate (or more accurately gummed a chicken wing to death).

To the OP I'd suggest keeping a diary of input and output - I know it sounds daft but it really helps to learn your pups timings so that you can arrange your outings more effectively!  Also watch closely, I'd say that signs for an impending poo (not a phrase one says very often :~ ) are often much clearer than those for a wee and are easier to spot. :)

The " wee/pee post " I was thinking about is a yellow spike which is impregnated with the right smells that you push into the ground where you want the dog to "go"

Not having had a puppy since childhood ( always had older rescues since those days) I ended up making a chart which showed when our pup had performed which proved invaluable. I was quickly able to work out a pattern of when he was most likely to need to go out and at what part of the day - ie 10 minutes after feeding, quarter of an hour after playing etc. I know it sounds rather too organised but I used to spend ages in the garden with him on a lead waiting for him to go to then come back in because he hadn't performed just in time for him to really need to go. It was far less hit and miss whilst I was learning the signs he was giving for needing to go outside and he had very few accidents indoors.

It is also really useful as other members of the household can then also see if the pup is wanting to go out to play or needing to go out to toilet.

So note to self = cheese, diary, puppy pen !

Thank you will let you know how it goes

When you use the "puppy pee pen"  after a few goes the ground then smells right to the puppy :-)  In theory you could later move the pen to an area of garden where you dont mind your dog/bitch weeing and perhaps save your lawn a bit.  I have grass not a lawn (3 bitches) but when i visit my parents all my dogs know their toilet area is the at the end of the garden under the trees.  They never wee on the lawn there, lol.

My older andprevious dogs have all been trained to go on command and in one area.aka the dog patch! Trying to do the same with Brooke but so far even going outsidethe penny hasnt dropped yet but then she is very young. Had a bit of success this morning yay

> The " wee/pee post " I was thinking about is a yellow spike which is impregnated with the right smells that you push into the ground where you want the dog to "go"

very interesting i'll look into this, works with dogs and bitches i take it ?

FF - if its any consolation we are struggleing with the terrier pup, he's a bloody nusance lol Grace on the other hand was clean @ 8 1/2 weeks old !!!! i too have now got the pot of treats by the back door ready for "business" lol.

Good luck, the penny will drop eventually.

> The " wee/pee post " I was thinking about is a yellow spike which is impregnated with the right smells that you push into the ground where you want the dog to "go"
>

Bought one thinking I could save some area of the lawn, but both boys walk straight past it every time they go out showing no interest even when encouraged 'to be busy'.

Thanks for this post it has been so useful...Bettie Pup(WHWT)  came home to us yesterday and she is 8 weeks, we have been puttingher out every hour but wees happen mostly indoors, will get there am sure!

>she is 8 weeks, we have been puttingher out every hour

Hi Fiona - at that age I'd go out with her (don't 'put her out' on her own as you need to be there to reward her) every 20 or 30 minutes.  Their bladder capacity increases quite quickly but it doesn't much feel like it at first!! :)

sorry yes we are going out with her and she's just been out after a very long snooze and was a good girl, wees and poos (thats our phrase!) so lots of claps and cheers and good girls....now after a little play at trying to catch her tail is snoozing away again..

As pups whenever mine had accidents I would put the kitchen towel I used to clean with in the garden so the pups smell would trigger them to go...I did the same with poo accidents as well...it seemed to me once they got the scent they were more likely to go outside.

Thanks Clare things have improved  a bit as long as I really stay on it so to speak . More successes in the right place but still dont think she has aclue. Mind she likes the cheese that I am giving her s atreat and only for wees and poos good suggestion sorry cant remember who it was.
Wow grace was extra brilliant 81/5 weeks !!

Well I am more than happy with my clued up 14 week old who only has an accident if left for longer than she can hold on.

Went shopping yesterday and no accidents when I got home :)  Dry every night, and holding on until let out in the morning where she runs to do her curtsy, then to me for a morning fuss.

what a good girl ,
Ever thought how mad were are spending our time talking about wees and poos. Anyone would think we were potty training a child, if I am not careful I find I am saying to friends things like " oh she slep through last night" "she was very good and wee'd in the right place " !

Do you know what I've realised since the age of 14 when I had my first personally owned dog I've spent all my life picking up poo from that day onwards, from dogs to other furriers to babies, apart from when on holiday every day I pick up poo. :-D What a life we all have! :-D

Give me dog or any animal poo pick up over changing babies nappies any day.

Don't think I will do much baby sitting when I have grandchildren.

Will be ringing their parents up to come and get them as they need a nappy change.  I really hated that part of motherhood.

:-D :-D I forgot about future grandchildren.........Argh............it's never ending!

You know we'll just end up doing it though. :-D

I like the theory and did it with others but this little terrorist pup likes to play with tissue and would run top speed around the garden with the tissue in his mouth. the little love !!!

> Anyone would think we were potty training a child, if I am not careful I find I am saying to friends things like " oh she slep through last night" "she was very good and wee'd in the right place " !

TMI here but.....i had rageing back ache a couple of days ago and actually stood and thought "i wonder if i'm due in season" obviously i haven't mentioned that to anyone lol

oh Claire thats funny ! think its time I was spayed then

Im with you Brainless just dont think I am any good with the human kind of baby !

so glad I cant have any more...I much prefer the canine baby....

If she's puddling when you're out of the room could you pop her back in her crate or into a puppy play pen whenever you're not actually watching her?

Or what about a house line? I've never used it but I think some people basically fix the puppy to them so its never more than 10 feet away and always under your eye.
I've been lucky enough to have had one of my pups that came pretty much pre-house trained, she only ever puddled indoors twice from the age of 8 weeks, and that was once when my brother got her really over excited and she wee'd on him, and once when we had guests and I didn't notice her, so the little 9 week old  pup took herself off to the furthest corner of the furthest bedroom she could get to! I think that was mostly natural instinct and luck though as the breeder had them indoors in a big puppy pen/whelping box and though that helps they hadn't been outside regularly.  (btw, that bitch still had very secretive toilet habits, she will take herself off to the opposite side of the field and give me a filthy look if she thinks I'm watching. she prefers to be behind bushes too!)

With other dogs I've always had them in a kennel when I couldn't be watching them and they've trained very quickly, also helped for me when possible the back door was left open so they could have free access. I appreciate this wouldn't be a safe option for a lot of people though.

Pup went overnight with no accidents, though I'm sure it will happen..and only one puddle in the hosue today...and she gets soooo excited when she is praised for going outside...I'm sure though it will be two steps forward and one back.

Oh and she slept til 7.30 this morning!

Sounds good to me

and again last night.... :)

For anyone reading this..

Some dogs can takes ages to house train and I just wanted to put my input into this. My boy who is now 4yrs old took until he was almost around 7 months old until he was house trained
I used puppy pads with him in the house - never ever again. Since then I've always used a crate for house training and it makes it so much quicker and easier, but still never give up hope!!! Imagine a large/giant breed dog peeing in your house at 7 months old... Not good.. haha

I think wadders would be the order of the day !

You'll get there. I remember spending the first few months on my knees, even when dry through the night he'd have this look in his eye sometimes during the day as if a game. Then got to the stage that if he was contained in the kitchen he would be fine, but if had access to the rest of the house would run in from the garden to have a wee in the sitting room! Perhaps there is something in introducing them to one room at a time.

Oh definitely by restricting their access to their house they first learn to keep their own living area clean.

That is one of the major mistakes as accidents are more likely to occur, so slowing down the training.

Oh definitely by restricting their access to their house they first learn to keep their own living area clean.

That is one of the major mistakes as accidents are more likely to occur, so slowing down the training.

>Perhaps there is something in introducing them to one room at a time.

Absolutely - I spent the first few weeks hanging out in rooms with wipe clean floors!  The pup's areas were gradually extended under strict supervision

Yes that's what I have done too trouble is only the kitchen and hall have wipe clean flooring +h and the upstairs bathroom (here is only so much time one can spend in the hall and bathroom without looking odd lol

Having houstrained a few puppies, I must say our current pup (9 months) was the easiest of all to train. It might have had something to do with the fact that she was born here, so didn't have to adjust to a different home etc, but I'm convinced that it happened so quickly because I crated her during the night as soon as the last pup went to their new home.

I would put her in after her last wee about 11pm, then get up around 3.30 to let her out. We gradually put the night wee's back by 30 mins every few days and by say 11 weeks, she was going through the night.

Maybe it has something to do with training them to "hold on"?? I have no idea really, other than it worked. I'll definitely crate again with any future puppies, although by the time she could go through the night, I felt it was kinder to let her sleep with my adult dogs and her mum.

We had the puppies pretty much using our growbag trays filled with horse bedding (gonna use that one next time too!) which somehow transpired into them all grasping the housetraining double quick time?? People would marvel when watching the pups play, when they would head over to the trays, do their business then carry on playing! Perhaps it was the fact that after sleeps/feeding they ALL went outside for a run around and did a lot of their "business" out there. Regardless of how much wee/poo was on the floor first thing, they all went STRAIGHT outside when I appeared in the mornings, before their breakfast. I guess not everyone can do this with their litters.

Hoping the little baby in question is at last "getting it", I guess it takes longer for some to cotton on than others. Bless, it's so hard to be cross with them isn't it?