Hi.
As many of you know Imp Reg breeds can only enter an ope show if IMP REG classes are scheduled, we would like the KC to allow us to show our dogs in AVNSC classes and maybe enter stakes as well. If we have a child handling with an Imp Reg breed, their opportunity's to compete are very limited, and IF they do mange to qualify for Crufts, yet again they are not allowed to compete! As things stand atm Imp Reg breeds are not even allowed to compete at match nights!

Please could you support us in trying to get the KC to allow us to compete on a level playing field with everyone as, as we pay the same entry fee for very little in return.

http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/importregistersupportgroup/

Thank you for your support

have signed

hi spitz i have signed the petition as i have a dog on the import register in handling if the child wins ykc handling with an import register breed they can and have competed at crufts and i also compete in my ringcrafts match nights,nether the less we do get a raw deal and things need to change we pay the same amount at open shows as other exhibitors and most of the time have to wait till last to compete and then not even a decent rosett for best import at champ shows it gets worst we have had  the same judge twice  in less than 6 months.

thats interesting that they are allowed and have competed at crufts, as they KC have confirmed that they can't. A case of one hand not knowing what the other is doing I guess!!!

When we showed in IR we were allowed to compete at match nights - even won one of them. I doubt you will ever get a change to allow showing in AVNSC but given we paid the same money as everyone else I don't see why IR cannnot compete in the group the same as AVNSC is allowed to. It would also be useful if all show secretaries would schedule an IR open class to allow IR breeds to compete at every show same as all other breeds can.
I didn't think that IR breeds were allowed to compete in JH at Crufts either.

I always think that the Imp. Reg. exhibitors have a rough deal, they are unable to take part in the show as a whole and in most cases are charged the same as other breeds who can participate in full. Suppose the KC will say that they need an accepted standard and not a interim one and the they need to be established before that can happen but I do think they should be able to participate more at least in the AV classes if not in Group and BIS after all a judge can judge to an interim standard as easy as to an accepted one.

Some 'new' breeds establish very quickly and I would think that if the I. R. were allowed to participate more fully the KC would be concerned in case they developed too quickly with a too narrow pool of breeding stock - and may be not. Would be interested to know the KC thinking on the I. R. breeds.

Form the KC website

2. Eligibility for competition

Immediately the dog is accepted on the Imported Breed Register it can be entered and compete in Kennel Club Working Trials, Obedience, Agility and Flyball competitions. These dogs are also permitted to make 'not for competition' entries at shows.

Entry and competition at other Kennel Club licensed events for dogs on the Imported Breed Register is limited to Imported Breed Register classes, matches and exemption dog shows, and then only after an Interim Breed Standard has been approved by the Committee and PUBLISHED in the Kennel Gazette. Winners of Imported Breed Register classes are not eligible for group or best in show competition.

Immediately a breed is accepted on the Imported Breed Register, a dog of that breed can be entered and compete in Kennel Club Gundog Working Tests. Competition in Field Trials is subject to General Committee approval.



and
5. Transfer of a breed from the Imported Breed Register to the Breed Register

A breed will remain on the Imported Breed Register until it is considered sufficiently well established to move to the Breed Register. An application for transfer to the Breed Register would include:

*A brief history of the breed following its imported registration including an account of the number of dogs shown in Imported Register classes.
*The size of the gene pool and the available breeding lines in this country.


For those who are interested the full KC Policy on IR breeds is here

Think I can understand the reason for a Import Register but not the tight restriction on the competition they may undertake. Would like to know why for example they are unable to do AV hound, gundog, terrier etc. or any other AV classes that do not lead to being able to qualify for group or BIS if that is deemed to be necessary.

> Think I can understand the reason for a Import Register but not the tight restriction on the competition they may undertake

I know - if there is an interim standard in place then what is the problem? It seems very unfair to me!

mexican hairless both competed this yr and last yr at ykc handling at crufts,i wish the kennel club could put av import reg classes at crufts or somthing like that

As a junior handler who shows and owns a dog on the import reg , when you are in a ykc handling class the judge is judgeing you not the dog , and if you are fourtunate enough to win a ykc handling class while handling a I.R dog you are then eligible to handle that dog at crufts . even cross breeds have been entered in handling at crufts as the dog does not have to be entered at crufts itself the handler is invited by the young kennel club to compete all they ask it for your dog to be reg with the companion club or kennel club . there were  mexican hairless in handling this year and last . I have signed the petition .

also i think the top i.r dogs in each group should be invited to compete for a overall  b.i.r.  at least
there are some wonderful dogs on the import reg , and they should be recognised more

thank you all for the info, sounds like after the conversation i had with the KC (re Imp Reg last week) that the right hand doesn't know what the left hand is doing!!!

Would still like Imp Reg breeds to be able to enter either AV or AVNSC classes at open shows, not looking to scrap the Imp Reg, as i do believe it's there for a good reason, but I can't see how being able to enter AVNSC at an open show is going to do any damage to any breed, it's not like there's a huge public audience, that are going to rush out and start breeding them for theie rarity value. (can't remember when i last saw a member of public at an open show, they are all dog people)

Agree on them entering the AV classes but not sure about the AVNSC as if you win that in your group you should be able to go into group and as that would not be possible because if you then won that you would qualify for the BIS which you could not do.

So I am all for pushing for the variety classes but not the AVNSC except that in some cases a pup can qualify from AV classes for entry to the group or BIS but I am sure we could manage to handle that but AVNSC could be more of a problem.

also judges who judge the import reg should read all the standards of dogs on the import reg as some of them dont know what breed they have in front of them which is such a shame ! i agree with the av classes !!!

Think that applies to any judge who is doing a variety class, if you have a selection of different breeds in front of you even if you have studied them you need to refresh your memory when you do not and have never owned the breed, well, IMO anyway.

the problem with allowing AV and not AVNSC is the way the rules are written

A dog is not eligible for entry in Variety Classes (excluding AVNSC classes) unless also entered and subsequently
exhibited in a Breed class where such a class is provided for which it is eligible. Exemptions from this Regulation
are:
(1) A puppy, unless a class for dogs under twelve months of age for which it is eligible is provided for the breed.
(2) A dog in Any Variety Field Trial or Working Trial Class.
(3) A dog in Any Variety Veteran Class.
(4) A dog in Any Variety Champion Class.
(5) As provided in Kennel Club Definitions of Classes.
(6) A dog which is withdrawn from exhibition in breed classes as a result of the appointment of an emergency
judge.
(7) A dog in Good Citizen Scheme Classes.

So unless a Puppy, Champion or Veteran, we would only be able to show in AV if there were Imp Reg classes schduled. 
I believe all judges when doing AVNSC or Variey classes are given a list of breeds entered under them before the show, to give them a chance to read up on the breed standard.

another question, all show schdules i have read, re handling classes say "The dogs to be handled must be entered elsewhere at the Show." So i know in theory you can handle a cross breed for a handling class, but in reality it is going to be very difficult to do.

Yes, it would need the rules to be re-written but that is not so very unusual some of the rules are re-written every year so I can't see a problem with that. AV should not permit entry to group or BIS for any dog at all but shows should have at least one AVNSC class, open - unless all breeds are classified, and at least one AV Class, open, and I. R. should be allowed to be shown in any AV classes as long as they otherwise qualify.

When it comes to JH the dog should be able to be entered in just a handling class but the full entry fee must be paid - the dog would need to be registered though.

Most show do give a list but if they do not the judge should ask for one, don't care who it is I do not think it possible to remember all breeds without a check up and even then I think that most will be judging conformation and movement and the finer points of the individual breeds will not be taken into consideration, not, in my mind, a bad thing in a mixed class.

This is from a letter was sent by the KC last week

"The SEC confirmed that Import Breeds can take part in Good Citizen Dog Scheme Tests that are held at shows, and provided an AV Import Class is scheduled at the show; dogs can be used in handling classes. "

So yet again we have a case of right hand not knowing what the left hand is doing!!!!