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Topic Dog Boards / Breeding / Distemper? Aspiration Pneumonia? Or What???
- By meme99 [gb] Date 11.05.11 22:52 UTC Edited 15.05.11 07:53 UTC
I will try to explain all in as little writing as possible lol... PLEASE HELP I'M GOING CRAZY WITH WORRY!!
I have a litter of 4 week old puppies. They had their parvo jab yesterday PM. (We have had parvo before so I am extra careful and I am sure the puppy I am going to talk about isnt a parvo victim).
They started weaning at 2.5 weeks old. Vet advice. They were taken away from mum Monday PM. (I had no choice this was due to temperament issues from mum once the pups were born but I wont be going into that one!)
They had severe projectile squits up until saturday, I took them to the vet and she gave me fortiflora but also I put them on fish for dogs on saturday and by monday they were all doing perfect poos! They are all still doing perfect poos so no squits!
TODAY, I fed them at 8am and they all ate like crazy as they always do. But an hour or so later I notced that some of them were regurgitating clear fluid with very small amounts of food in it. Not being sick in the normal retching way that puppies do just sudden regurgitation which was projectile.
One brought up a lot and within seconds collapsed and went very blue. I immediately brought him back round and flew to the vet (in my pj's and wellies!!). He was given oxygen, steroids and a course of antibiotics (synulox). He was admitted for an hour and sent on his way. The vet was worried about possible aspiration pneumonia.
He came home and ate a full sachet of Royal canin convelesence and had a sleep. He woke up again, had a poo, ate a bit more, had a drink, cried for his litter mates and went back to sleep.
Since about 5pm though he is not well. He has green/brown/white snot coming from his nose and he is coughing and spluttering all the time. He has also no energy and isnt eating and the only fluids I have seen him have are what I have syringed into his mouth. He also looks a little tiny bit blue. I have spoken to the vet but she said just keep an eye on him all night.
Occasionally he gets up and cries or howls and even wags his tail but then he looks ill again afterwards. He isnt dehydrated.
I am worried that the snotty nose is a sign of distemper? Although he doesnt have runny eyes.
The other puppies in the litter havent been sick anymore - I am hoping that they ate too quickly this morning so I have left food in for them overnight so that they will graze on it rather than gulp it down in the morning. One of them who was also sick has a very veryt occasional slight cough.
Dont think it is kennel cough.
How quickly does aspiration pneumonia start after inhalation? And am I just being paranoid about distemper? (They have had 2 vet trips but were not on the floor etc at all).
Has anyone experienced anything similar? Or seen distemper or aspiration pneumonia for themselves? I have googled but that just tells the horror stories lol
Mum was vaccinated to date and had a booster 1st day of her season before she was mated.
Please..... any suggestions opinions welcome. I am so worried I have seen parvo and what it can do and i dont want a repeat with distemper especially as I have 2 other litters one 1 week old and another 7 week old.
For the record my dogs, house and kennels are SPOTLESS, almost sterile!! So it is def not a cleanliness issue and I have no other dogs here and dont stud out my boys and the dogs arent allowed out on walks when anything is in whelp (Luckily I have a massive enclosed garden to run in).
Thanks xx
- By toffeecrisp [gb] Date 13.05.11 20:49 UTC
Not the same situation as yours and I sincerly hope your pups are doing better.

We had a pup with aspiration pneumonia 24hrs after being born. She was given Synulux injections and synulux to be given at home aswell as steroid injections. We were told to keep her warm, so had her on the heat pad with a light blanket over her. She was hand fed until she was 4 weeks old in between being put back with mum for feeding. We honestly thought she was going die, thankfully she did pull through and despite the very smallest of the litter she came on really well. We decided to keep her and she is now 16 wks old and weighs 10lb 40zs. Our vet was brilliant and told us to ring anytime we were worried about her and they would see her (he didnt think she would survive the 1st week).
If you are still worried then ring your vet.
- By KaneFizz [gb] Date 14.05.11 15:47 UTC
Reaction to vaccinations? Personally if he is now turning slightly blue you should take him back to the vets. A puppy that young wouldn't survive long without food and fluids.
- By NEWFIENOOK [gb] Date 14.05.11 17:47 UTC
this maybe a stupid question , if you are weaning the litter why leave food with the pups overnight , when i wean i feed the pups every 4-6 hrs with fresh food  plus mum's milk  and try to make sure each one gets its fill  and i stay with them while they eat, sorry but if you have 2 other litters on the go , although your husbandry skills might be good there would be a chance that you could transfer something between litters, again you might not like what i say but why have 3 litters on the go , i know you say you have had parvo before but personally i wouldnt vac 4 week old pups , if  your kennels are spotless and hygiene maintained ?
But i hope all your pups thrive and pull thru .
- By triona [gb] Date 14.05.11 21:31 UTC
Could it not be the food? We nearly lost our litter when my mum put the puppies over to a puppy food against my advice I went nuts when I came home from work, with me and my younger sister spending the next 48 hours not sleeping but trying to pull the puppies through as they had caught a tummy bug (their tummies couldn't take the food). But with some natural yogurt trips to the vets and some very nice neighbors as I didn't have a car at the time (mum had it at work) they all pulled through.
- By JeanSW Date 14.05.11 23:25 UTC

> again you might not like what i say but why have 3 litters on the go


NEWFIENOOK - I have to say that this puzzled me too.  As reputable breeders only have a litter when they need a pup to show, why would you have 3 litters?  No way would you keep 3 pups, you couldn't do the individual work needed to train a pup for the show ring.

I do understand people mating up 2 bitches when it's a breed that doesn't have many pups.  A couple of years ago I mated 2 girls (to different stud dogs) I wanted a bitch for show, as I had kept boys out of my previous 2 litters.

One bitch had a dead pup, just the one.  The other bitch had 2 boys, so with smaller litters you can be disappointed.  But these are not tiny breeds, so I am wondering just how difficult it is to carry out the needed biosecurity, you would be working 24 hours a day!  I do agree, I won't have 4 week old pups vaccinated.  They should be carrying mums antibodies.
- By kayc [gb] Date 14.05.11 23:56 UTC
When was your last Parvo outbreak?
Have you done the 'pinch' test for Kennel cough.  It does sound a bit like KC.. not every dogs shows same symptoms
The chances of it being Distemper is remote.. my vet said the last outbreak confirmed was nearly 30 years ago..
ARe your pups in individual kennels?
do you change clothes before tending to each individual litter.

8 years ago I had a small litter of 3 who got Kennel cough, 2 of the pups sailed through, but one boy was very ill, with similar symptoms.  and he did get Aspirational Pneumonia, 3 times,  he was 18weeks before getting the all clear to go to his new home.

If you have 3 litter on the go, whatever it is you have, you are most likely carrying it around and continuously passing it on.

It could also be gastro enteritis.. which is highly contagious

Really, we could take so many stabs at what it could be.. but only your vet would be able to diagnose for certain and treat accordingly. What has your vet said about it?
- By meme99 [gb] Date 15.05.11 22:37 UTC
Hmmm, 3 litters!! Dont ask was supposed to be 2!!
The pup is fine, perfectly fine!! Had a rough 24 hours but he is ok now but still sleeping with me etc so I can keep a close eye on him. Looks like I will be keeping him!
The 4 week parvo vax hasnt made anyone ill and they are spotless but once parvo has been it is very very scary and nothing seems clean enough. As soon as it has been a good couple of years we will drop the 4 week vax.
Hope you dont think Im a puppy farmer or anything....I love my dogs to pieces and put so much time and effort in to them.
Usually my puppies are fed every few hours on 4 meals a day. But as these have had no mum from 4 weeks old and also I thought the problem was coming from them pigging the first meal in the morning which was making them regurgitate?? Hence leaving them some to graze on overnight??
Maybe not a good idea but guess im no expert?
I will try taking it out through the night??
Thanks
- By meme99 [gb] Date 15.05.11 22:43 UTC
The vet has no idea completely stumped.
Yes between each litter clothing, shoes are changed hands washed and foot dips everywhere.
All in completely different kennels. But I know that something airborn is going to travel like crazy.
No one is "ill". But the Boxer pups occasionally throw up. With this I mean regurgitate. I am now thinking megaoesaphagous.
They just bring up small amounts of liquid food very quickly, shake their heads then carry on doing what they were doing playing eating etc!!
I have taken them to 1 vet and spoken to 2 others. All are not sure!!!!
I wondered if the food was too dry or too sloppy or if it was the food? They arent cold as the heating in their kennel is warmer than our house (You can feel it immediately when you walk in)! I think I am going back to the vet tomorrow with them.
All my dogs are vax'd against the normal stuff but I will be honest only 2 are vaccinated against KC. What is the pinch test?
- By kayc [gb] Date 15.05.11 23:03 UTC

> What is the pinch test


finger and thumb either side of throat just where the jaw hinges (where you would feel swollen glands on a human)  a slight pinch here will have either no response or a gagging effect.. if there is a slight gagging, it is a sign of mild kennel cough.. so even if dogs/pups are not coughing or showing signs.. this simple test gives a good indication that the infection is there.. you do not need to press hard, a soft pinch will produce a response..
- By meme99 [gb] Date 25.05.11 23:04 UTC
Just to let everyone know the puppies are all fine now? The coughing and sickness has all stopped and they are massive and little pigs with their food!! Thanks for the help
- By Sawheaties [gb] Date 26.05.11 07:26 UTC
Good news, that gave you a scare didn't it? Now enjoy!
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