Most interesting report:

http://www.thekennelclub.org.uk/download/10884/doghealthgroupannualreport2010.pdf
This part was of interest to me bearing in mind what some posters had found re those producing more than 4 litters in 12 months not being Licensed by their LA.

"New Kennel Club Regulation B22.d.
In the event that a breeder is required by law to obtain a breeding licence,
that breeder may be required to produce his/her licence to the Kennel Club.
If such licence is not produced and/or no reasonable explanation is given, any
applications to register litters may be refused."

Interesting, do wonder what a Chamber Spaniel is (see page 14) not one of the designer breeds one hopes. :-)

This rolling 5 year mean on page 17 should show people that Hip Scoring does improve hip scores over time:

BVA/KENNEL CLUB HIP DYSPLASIA SCHEME
'Five year Rolling Means' are maintained for the breeds that have a high throughput
of annual scoring. The five year rolling mean is the mean of dogs scored in the
previous 5 years. So, the 1996 5-year mean represents the mean of the dogs scored
between 1 January 1992 and 31 December 1996. For the 1997 5-year mean the
start date moves on by a year as does the end date, and so on.

Addition to Kennel Club Regulation B2.c.
Dogs of breeds already fully recognised, whose breeding is either impure
or unverified, may be accepted for registration on the Breed Register. The
registration certificate for a dog so registered is annotated with an asterisk or
asterisks in accordance with the agreed protocol (as amended from time to time)
to indicate impure or unverified breeding. Such dogs are similarly identified in the
Breed Records Supplement. Except for cases to which Regulation B21 applies

Does this mean the doodles will be registered on a seperate register? I dont understand if this is what it means?

No, because none of the doodles are recognised breeds.

> No, because none of the doodles are recognised breeds

what does it mean when it says recognised but impure?

Not pure bred. Or breeding not able to be verified.

> Not pure bred. Or breeding not able to be verified

but surely that would be just classed as a mongrel just like any of these doodle types?

Are they saying they will put it on a seperate register as dl site does?

sorry im just confused.

>what does it mean when it says recognised but impure?

The imported dalmatian backcross would come into this category.

I was just answering the question as to what they meant - and  no you could have a dog say a Lab that had been pure breed for as many generations as can be remembered but if they are or some of them are unregistered then the dogs breeding can not be verified but that does not make them mongrels (it probably makes them working Labs)

right ok i understand.

Are their many recognised but "impure" breeds.

> some of them are unregistered then the dogs breeding can not be verified but that does not make them mongrels

but surely if you cant prove who the sire or dam is the potential of outcross is there, and the potential of it not being actually pure is there too?

Not sure what you mean but if a dog is of breed type even if you do not have a record of it's ancestors you would still say it is the breed it appears to be but you could not use it to produce a litter able to be registered in the breed register.

But if there is an out cross for a particular reason and if the KC has agreed this out cross it would no doubt register the offspring with the correct details of the pups pedigree. Lots of our breeds have been produced by cross breeding and once they breed true to type and are accepted as a breed in their own right, they would in normal circumstances only ever be bred with their own breed. There are occasions when it may be deemed necessary to return to one of the original breeds for some particular reason - usually lack of numbers of health reasons.

> Not sure what you mean but if a dog is of breed type even if you do not have a record of it's ancestors you would still say it is the breed it appears to be but you could not use it to produce a litter able to be registered in the breed register

sorry what i mean is it could be outcrossed for whatever reason, accident, money etc... it look like  a Labradoe for example one of those puppies put back to another lab, so it looks more lab than not, maybe just a badly bred one. Surely this is open for abuse?

In my breed we have one, though I didn't realise that you cannot register a litter from one of it's pups online as it is not classed as "full pedigree" even though we knew the dogs behind her in Spain.

This was a dog from Spain, very much a Spanish through and through, so much so she got BB at Crufts a couple of years ago.  A few of us had to verify that she was of breed type and that she would be an asset to the breed.

Sorry did not mean to confuse, if the dog or bitch is registered then you can have the pups registered, it is only is the dog is not registered or recognised that the litter can't be registered. IOW the KC needs to be in on the ground floor if out crossing or the use of a unregistered dog is being considered as to try and registered after the event may prove difficult if not impossible.