Hi everyone, I'm new here. Came on here once along time ago but havent been back since. Anyway, i recently lost my beloved dog, Alfy. Such a massive loss. He was put to sleep on 12th Feb and im still really styruggling to come to terms with it. Not helped by the fact that i have an on going dispute with the vets i used via the RCVS -obviously raking up that most awful day doesnt do me any good. And ive since been refered for counseling to help me get back on the tracks that ive fallen so far away from. He was a beauiful dog, my soul mate, best friend, he was everything to me and i miss him so so much.
When i got him as a 3 month old puppy, i was give DLCR stuff with him including his family tree.
I was wondering if anyone knows if the dogs on his family tree would be registered here and if could trace them. I'd also like to let his breeder know that he has passed away, but i lost contact with them some time ago.

Is anyone able to help or advise me? Your help would be much appreciated.
If its any help, Alfy's registered name was 'SuperSonic Red'. His Dam - 'Whitalis Hi De Hi'. His Sire - 'Heartbeat Harry'.

Thankyou, any help would be much appreciated. Oh and i do have the registration numbers, but not with me at the minute, i can post the tomorrow. Thankyou

All I can suggest you do is to email/phone the people at DLRC and see if they a/ still have the breeders details and b/would they pass on a message from  you if they are not currently advertising any pups/stud dog services.

(They wont be able to give you these poeples contact details unless they are published on their website currently).

Sadly you are going to struggle tracing these lines because DLRC are firstly a very recent registry and secondly, they require so little information from breeders/owners that you can register anything you like, as anything you like - I could register my Deerhound as a Chihuahua if i wanted to.. or pretend her parents are champion dogs who died 30 years ago, they would not know and would not check.

So its not hugely likely you will get much info unless you can trace any dogs back to KC registered dogs and find out if those lines are still going now.

I did find two 'Whitalis' dogs onthe net.. ones a white shepherd and the other is a boxer, are either of thsoe your breed?

Whitalis is the affix of a white german shepherd breeder as far as I know.  I do know people who know her and have dogs from her lines but it is more than likely she didn't actually breed your boy as he doesn't carry her affix.

I'm sorry to read about your loss, Moonpig - it's always heartbreaking when a beloved dog dies :(

However I agree with the others who have said that it is going to be difficult for you to find out more about your boy's background - if you type DLRC into the Search facility here, you aren't going to find anything particularly positive about it I'm afraid.

Keep your boy in your heart - he'll never leave it - and when the time is right and you feel that you want to fill the space that he has left if your life, then come back here, ask questions about the breed that you are interested in, and you will be pointed in the right direction.

{{hugs}}

Margot

Sadly as others have said it will be hard to trace back.  Seen champions of totally different breeds on DLRC pedigrees.

So sorry to hear about your dog and hope that the DLRC can help you find the breeder.

Hello, thankyou everyone so much for your reply. Alfy was infact a Rottweiller.....thought i will make sure when i rooot out his papers later that i have spelt it correctly. The family tree goes back quite a bit than just hid dam and sire, so maybe i try googling some of them too? I got him when he was 3months old and the breeder, well i say breeder.....they just bred from their tow rotties. Alfy actually had hip diplacia, entropians, and other hereditary prblems, so i know he's been wrongly breed. Which obviously i totally disagree with. But then if they hadnt, i would never have had my most perfect gorgeous, soulmate for 7 years and 9 months.

The family whe came from where friends of my ex boyfriends, who we would visit quite a bit with Alfy to see them and have a play with his mum and dad, miss & sam. But they moved away we lost touch etc. My ex boyfriend may able to find the brother of who Alfy came from, but i'd rather not find them at all if iy means i haver to be in contact with him.

They where nice people who he come from and Alfy loved them. If we hadnt taken him, they would have kept him. I just thought it would be nice to let them know, as i would if i was them. Anyway, sorry for the essay.....thanks again. I'll post back later with some of the names in his family tree. Thankyou all.

I believe that DLR papers do not require an actual registered affix like the kennel club do. So you may find other breeders using the KC affix for the same name. All I can suggest what others have and contact the DLR and find out if they can help.

I have always understood that the main problem with the DLR is that the person paying to register fills in the pedigree form and can put down what ever they like and as there is no check made the dogs names that appear may not even be the same breed or they may not be the name of a dog at all.

I have always understood that the main problem with the DLR is that the person paying to register fills in the pedigree form and can put down what ever they like and as there is no check made the dogs names that appear may not even be the same breed or they may not be the name of a dog at all.

I have thought this too.....Most of the time the names used are not registered names at all so the dog could be any breed as far as I am aware.

Thanks again everyone. I didnt realise that was the case with DLCR. Seems abit pointless really doesnt it? Oh well i'll keep looking and search some of the other names. Thankyou again.

> Seems abit pointless really doesn't it?

Yes it is, but it does seem to enable people to sell pups at a higher price that are not able to get KC registration.

Bearing in mind that KC registration is available to any litter whose parents are themselves registered providing that the parents do not have breeding restrictions on their record (placed by good breeders so they are not bred from unless suitable, usually so that they are health tested first, and shown to be typical examples), are registered i the owners names, and in the case of bitches are not under a year at mating and not over 8 at pups birth (and have not already had 6 litters).

So a litter that isn't KC registered to me would mean irresponsible/thoughtless/exploitative breeding.

Of course as there are few restrictions you can have KC registered litters that aren't much better, but to me if they can't even be registered with KC then they re definitely not to be recommended.

Crikey.
As an experiment I went to the DLRC site and onto their online registration section. I typed in quite a lot of made-up stuff for a fictional dog, put sire & dam's owners as not known, put in pedigree details for sire of a dog that I knew sire & dam of (the rest Unknown) and finally got to the page where it asked me for £25 from my credit card (and that's where I stopped).

I could have put the sire as the Crufts BIS winner and it would still have accepted it. :(

I've done that too (stopped at the payment page as well) - even if you put that sire and dam are both female it accepts it. 'Registration' from here is highly unreliable.

At best, I guess it's a form of "vanity" registration - £25 for something all official-looking to frame & hang on the wall. At worst, it's easy to see how it could be used to defraud and mislead.

>I've done that too (stopped at the payment page as well)

I didn't stop at the payment page :-)

Still got the certificate somewhere if I ever need it.

Excellent. Evidence for when they get shirty and say that it doesn't happen.

What I have never been able to get my head round is why people pay for it - i had no idea it had gone up to £25, last time I looked I think it was £6!  I just can't understand why, if they want a certificate but not bothered about the database behind it providing some sort of veracity of breeding details, they don't just buy some of the pretty, blank certificate paper from Staples and print them out themselves.

£25 I presume is for whole litter registration, because they've always boasted how they are so much cheaper than the KC registry?

What I have never been able to get my head round is why people pay for it -

Because these people then advertise their puppies as registered and add another few hundred to the price......

> Crikey.
> As an experiment I went to the DLRC site and onto their online registration section. I typed in quite a lot of made-up stuff for a fictional dog, put sire & dam's owners as not known, put in pedigree details for sire of a dog that I knew sire & dam of (the rest Unknown) and finally got to the page where it asked me for £25 from my credit card (and that's where I stopped).
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Devious - very devious!  :-)

> £25 I presume is for whole litter registration, because they've always boasted how they are so much cheaper than the KC registry?

No that's for registering an adult dog. I can't remember how much it was to register a puppy.

Wow! They now have an ABS! From their website:

"Dog Lovers now has its own Accredited Breeder scheme and it Is FREE to our members as we do not see the need to penalise Good breeders."

Trouble is, I couldn't find any further details about how one becomes an AB
(To my mind, they'd be Discredited Breeders)