Can anyone please calrify for me if a partner is judging two classes at an open show in the toy ring, can the other partner show in the utility ring at the same show?

Do you mean live in partner or a partner in the ownership of one of the dogs being shown?

If they are in partnership with the dogs then no.  Mum and I have a joint affix, mum has her Pom's I have my Spanish but mum can't show at a show if I'm judging.  Bit of a pain really.

Didn't realise this, I could understand not showing in the same ring as the partner but not being banned from showing in an entirely different breed group.

Do I take it that it is the dog you have in partnership? If so then no you can't exhibit at the same show as your partner is judging.

If you think about it would mean that any judge could take on a partner to handle their exhibit at a show they were judging and you can imagine the problems both real and imagined that would throw up. As it is there have been cases where a judge will transfer a dog to someone else before a judging appointment and then transfer it back afterwards - know it is hard to imagine that someone would be so desperate but there you are we are a very strange species.

You also get the cases like Yogi (Crufts BIS) who is registered as owned by 2 people who don't show or judge, and handled by 2 other people, so if one of his handlers was judging the other could show him.

> Do I take it that it is the dog you have in partnership? If so then no you can't exhibit at the same show as your partner is judging.
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> If you think about it would mean that any judge could take on a partner to handle their exhibit at a show they were judging and you can imagine the problems both real and imagined that would throw up. As it is there have been cases where a judge will transfer a dog to someone else before a judging appointment and then transfer it back afterwards - know it is hard to imagine that someone would be so desperate but there you are we are a very strange species

It happens though.  In various guises.  A spouse judges and awards tickets to a dog bred by another person who co-breeds with said judges husband.  They do not show anything with the co-owned affix but they do take dogs without it under the judge, transfered back and too between one named owner and the two names.  Then the other spouse judges and the person they themselves co-breed with takes dogs under them and wins the tickets, obviously again not the ones they have their shared affix on. 

Ireland is even more blatant.  A dog in Ireland now is being shown by one family member in one ring while another family member is judging in the next ring, all live at the same address.  Dog was in both names then at the start of the year transfered into another name (same residence) as one of the co-owners had several judging appointments and yes it was still shown while the TAF was active.

I wish the KC would bring in a Conflict of Interest rule here like the AKC has that states anyone who co-owns / co-breeds with judge or immediate family, and indeed immediate family (i.e. brother / sister / mother / father / aunt / uncle not necessarily living at the same residence) cannot show under that judge.  And enforce it as the AKC does.  There was a case there a few years ago of co-owners exbibiting under each other, they had not co-owned for a few months but it was well within the time frame of the AKC rules and they banned both from judging / exhibiting for 5 yrs and fined them $5,000.

Yes if it does happen and if is properly reported then the KC will fine and or ban from all KC activities for up to 10 years.

You can't judge a dog you have handled, prepared for the show ring, boarded, owned for at least 12 months after the event. You can not show under a partner or spouse and of course you can't judge a dog you part own, nor under it's breeder.

You can show under the owner of the stud but may people would not do so. Also if your partner or spouse who joint own a dog that dog can't be shown at the show where they are judging, don't think this applies to other close relatives unless they fall into the category mentioned in the first paragraph.

At a show I attended recently someone showed a dog under a sibling and I was surprised although I do not think that is against the rules but it is not something I would do - enter, may be, but not actually show, it could upset other exhibitors.

IMO showing under a close relative is an emotional problem for the judge they are damned if they do and damned if they don't, friends are a different matter because good friends do not expect favours that relatives may.

I have seen a bitch win a RCC from the breeders husband, although he is not down as the breeder, he has never had his name on any of there dogs, but happily (and excepted by the breed club) used her stud book numbers to enable him to give CC's in the breed. Have also in a rare breed seen another husband judge dogs bred by his wife, nothing like double standards!

> Also if your partner or spouse who joint own a dog that dog can't be shown at the show where they are judging, don't think this applies to other close relatives unless they fall into the category mentioned in the first paragraph.
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But this happens and complaints have been lodged to the KC but ignored as the offenders are KC members, one sits on the committee.

I can only give you my interpretation of the rules as I do not have knowledge of your examples but would have thought that if the KC break it's own rules someone has not tried to prove the point by talking them to court of unfair restriction of trade if they have been disciplined for the same offence.

Thanks for all your replies, I meant partner in the affix but also live in partner!!! I can see where this rule can be abused by transferring etc but I would have thought that showing under a different judge in a completely different group would be acceptable! Oh well guess I will be on a busman's holiday the day he is judging!!!!

'Fraid so joec, you could offer to steward, not in your partners ring but another, the show staging group would be pleased I am sure and you would be busy.