Hi

I had a pup who was supposed to be going today and have just rung them as they hadn't turned up, rang both mobiles and no answer! Then the bloke rang back and said  no can we come tomorrow so I agreed although I was upset as they obviously aren't excited and I started to have doubts. Then the partner rang back (so they obviously aren't together today) and I said oh its ok I have spoken to your partner, so she said we will be there tomorrow evening oh and pup isn't going to live with us anymore it is going to my partners mum. The mum came with them when they visited the 2nd time and she asked why the bitch was not going to be bred from again I replied she is 6 and this is her 3rd litter. Her reply shocked me well you can breed them older than that and she looks fit enough to me. I do not want my pup going to them now and am going to say no to them. They paid a deposit so if I return this is that it over and done with?

Any advice please

I would return the deposit, the circumstance is not the same now as the one you agreed to and approved when you took the deposit.

hope you manage to work it out.

Agree with Claire - there's no way that I would let these people have a puppy. They are unreliable and inconsiderate and they have changed the terms of the agreement you had with them. I don't know the legalities re the deposit. I don't take deposits and never will.

I agree with the others, don't let pup go to them.  Return the deposit, tell them you'll post it so that they don't have to come to you.  Sounds like it could be used like a baby machine.

Good luck xx

Oh no.

Return the deposit and find a better home for the pup.

Good luck

Noooo I would return the deposit.As mentioned they have broken the contract.Good luck.

Another who would return the deposit vote from me.

Return the deposit. They have not got a leg to stand on if they have changed thier minds and Pup is not going to live with them.
No question in my mind, you are not selling to his Mum, your agreement was with the couple. Don't let them talk you out of it by changing thier minds....they will only do what they want to as soon as they have the pup.
We have all been there it's what makes some of us so synical...and so difficult to get a pup from LOL
Get out now while you can and make sure Pup has the right home.
Aileen

Don't let them talk you out of it by changing thier minds....they will only do what they want to as soon as they have the pup.
Yes I said that this morning to a friend they will say ok we will have her and then pass to their mum. They ain't having her even if they turn up tomorrow I would call the police first.
When she said it was going to live with his mum I felt sick...I don't like what she said about mum having another litter. Have google earthed the mums property huge farm with outbuildings.
The right home will come up eventually and if it don't she will stay with her sister.

I have emailed them and asked for receipt when they open email. If I don't hear from them will ring them tomorrow and won't answer door if they turn up tomorrow

>> I have emailed them and asked for receipt when they open email

Don't let them tell you they didn't recieve it, you click not to send a receipt.  if you can't recall the email, then you know they haven't opened it.

At least you had the luck to get an isight before it was too late, thank god. 

So the pup is a girl?

That's even more reason to not give it to the lady who thinks a dog can have as many litters no matter the age.

Be strong, you are saving your pup from possibly the wrong home!

well google earth has is uses. The outbuildings speak volumes to me.

Just out of interest, is the puppy endorsed and was this made clear, or is it a breed where unregistered pups still fetch a good amount?

As the others have said return the deposit (send recorded delivery), they have broken their contract with you.

Totally agree with everyone. Not the right "home" / the one you agreed to it going too. I hope you get on OK.
What a difficult situation.
Diane

Another illustration of why it is a bad idea to take deposits.

When you tie people in with deposits - remember - you are potentially tying yourself into a potentially unsuitable owner.

Totally agree with all the others - return the depost. There is no way they can claim you 'owe' them the puppy when they have told you that they aren't even having the puppy, the agreement was NOT for this other woman to have your puppy!! And don't soften if they then claim they are having the puppy after all, she would be in those outbuildings being bred at 6 months before you could turn round. Thank goodness they let you down on the first date they should have picked up or you might never have found this out!

Don't see how, you return deposit, end of.

Another vote for returning the deposit and saying that you are not happy with the new arrangement. If they have not been upfront and told you about this then what else are they hiding?

I never take deposits and yes have had 2 people not show for puppies but I would rather that than the pups go to the wrong home.

Return the deposit but make sure it is by recorded delivery incase of any come back.

Just out of interest, is the puppy endorsed and was this made clear, or is it a breed where unregistered pups still fetch a good amount?

As the others have said return the deposit (send recorded delivery), they have broken their contract with you.

Yes most popular breed for puppy farming and we are in Wales. Un registered puppies still fetch about £500. Yes all pups are endorsed and they were told contract states lifted once puppy is 2 and has been fully tested.

Have not heard back from them about my email should I text and ask if they got it or get the guts to ring them.
They aren't having the pup whatever happens but I would prefer them not to turn up tomorrow.

I'd suggest you ring them. It might be an uncomfortable conversation but you have made your decision and you don't want it hanging over you all night.  At least this way you might get a better nights sleep knowing they won't be turning up tomorrow.

Say it in your head first, then 'screw your courage to the sticking post' and call them.  Hope it goes ok xx

Just had a friend ring and told her about the farm and she said there is always boards outside for many breeds seems my baby girl has had a lucky escape.

Am so angry with myself for nearly falling for all this cos I am so careful

Oh gosh sounds like its not the right place for your girl to be going to.
Thank god you find out now.

Just return the deposit recorded delivery and be "out" when they call.

I've actually taken back a pup twice - not because it was going on to another home.  Once I was threatened with a solicitor.  I said, see a b****y solicitor, you're not getting a pup off me.

I got away with it twice, and still have those dogs.  :-)

oK they have acknowledged email and text saying as they are a family why does it matter. I have text back and said my contract was with them not the mother and her property. They have said they cant see problem but they have supplied a name for the cheque and their full address for the cheque so I will sort it out tomorrow by recorded delivery.

Thanks everyone. Can't believe how close I came to letting this pup go to the wrong home. I always work on the trust no one line but even doing this I have nearly fallen for someone else buying for the 3rd party. I google earth addresses and check telephone numbers and names on google. What more is there to do to protect pups???

>They have said they cant see problem but they have supplied a name for the cheque and their full address for the cheque so I will sort it out tomorrow by recorded delivery.

oh boy!!  At least the little one is safe now.  just watch they don't send a friend.

oh boy!!  At least the little one is safe now.  just watch they don't send a friend

I thought that last night. Now I'm gonna be afraid of everyone. These people came from champdogs waiting list and had been looking for months for a yellow bitch. I will also be emailing everyone I know and asking them to pass it on to their friends so no one else loses a puppy to these people. Hopefully if everyone passes it on it will get to people I don't know. I will be emailing everyone on champdogs breeders list and more. Unfortunately they will manage to get one somewhere but I am happy to say it won't be one of mine.

How awful! 'as they are a family what does it matter' - duh, my parents are lovely people but I would never trust them with a puppy, they wouldn't know where to start and my mum's not a dog person. At least your own puppy is safe, there's sadly nothing you can do for the unlucky one that they will probably get hold of from someone else. :-(

Thank goodness you've been able to suss them out before handing over the pup.  I agree with everyone else - return the deposit.  I would ring them and explain that you are no longer happy for the pup to go to them.  If they argue just say that the initial arrangements for the pup on their side have changed and you are no longer satisfied.  Best of luck!

Cheque is in post sent recorded.
On the way from town we diverted and went to the mothers farm. Board outside with puppies for sale!!!

Thanks for all the support, can't believe I nearly fell for these people.

> Cheque is in post sent recorded.
> On the way from town we diverted and went to the mothers farm. Board outside with puppies for sale!!!
>
> Thanks for all the support, can't believe I nearly fell for these people.

what a lucky escape. {{{hugs}}} to you, you must be feeling a little out of sorts after all this xx

Well done ()

what a lucky escape. {{{hugs}}} to you, you must be feeling a little out of sorts after all this xx

Don't really know how I feel really....sad, angry, relieved and scared I think. Scared as to how to sell puppies now as I am so careful and yet still nearly got caught out. Think for now the pups will stay until things settle down and I will see what enquiries I get in coming weeks and just be even more careful again. I was keeping a little girl but for now I have 3 lol until I get my confidence back.
Have found out the mum has horses and got her telephone numbers and googled them and it comes up wth puppy adverts for my breed.

Does your breed club not have a puppy waiting list or is there any other breeders who have names on their lists for litters that may have not materialised?
It is a minefield and I am glad your puppy has been saved from these people, I would also now see if there was a way of alerting other people who may have litters so they are not taken in.

Does your breed club not have a puppy waiting list or is there any other breeders who have names on their lists for litters that may have not materialised?
It is a minefield and I am glad your puppy has been saved from these people, I would also now see if there was a way of alerting other people who may have litters so they are not taken in.

Have spoken to the breed clubs today to warn them about these people and am getting an email done with lots of emails of other breeders on and asking them to pass on to anyone I have forgotten so that no one get caught out by them.

That's good, hope that they don't manage to fool anyone, these people can be determined :(

Did you hear back from these people after returning their deposit?

No nothing.
Had 3 enquiries for puppies yesterday and turned them all away cos now don't trust anyone lol. Had a couple ring today who have just lost their dog and are wanting another so they are going to come tomorrow and visit. So will see how it goes.

just to be wary what area were they fom so i can avoid anyone from there

just to be wary what area were they fom so i can avoid anyone from there

In South Wales. Gower and Tycroes.

> cos now don't trust anyone

Believe me, it's worth waiting for the right people to come along.

I had a little boy born last summer, and he had actually been reserved.  By the time he was ready to leave home, I had been told that the husband had been made redundant, and the pup was cancelled.

I tried advertising, and had some right bozos make enquiries.  I won't sell tiny pups as status symbols.  In the end I removed the ads, and left it to fate.  I felt that I would rather keep him until he was 17 and had no teeth, than let him go to someone just because they had the money.

I had an enquiry from people that had a pup from me a couple of years ago, they were interested in another dog.  I made no promises, just asked them to visit and bring their boy with them.  It was really lovely to see that he had exactly the same character as when he had left me.  Within less than half an hour, the two were leaping on each other, play bowing, and having fun.

As I said - worth waiting.  :-)

Believe me, it's worth waiting for the right people to come along.

Well after deciding to keep the girls and not sell them two days ago we have had lots of calls. Thursday I just said straight away no haven't got anything as I really had made up my mind not to sell. Then Thursday evening we recieved an email from a gentleman who had just lost a lab and wanted a puppy. They came over yesterday knowing that I was highly suspicious and unsure because of what had happened Monday. They were here a couple of hours and are just perfect, you could see they were in pain from losing their last dog and really needed a new special person to bring happiness into their lives. So they are collecting her today.
Then out of the blue a retired couple have rung from up country and are desparate for a new lab after a few years without. Again was cautious and unsure but have invited them to come and meet her on Monday so we will see but from talking to the lady they seem perfect. But of course I hold judgement til we meet and if they aren't right they won't get her. Both families came through website rather than champdogs and so had no idea we even had pups so hopefully it will work out but if not I will be keeping two girls instead of just the one at least for now.

Great news! I can imagine how hard it must be after nearly being caught, but you probably don't want 3 puppies all from the same litter, if you just keep 1 or 2 it will be easier.

Great news! I can imagine how hard it must be after nearly being caught, but you probably don't want 3 puppies all from the same litter, if you just keep 1 or 2 it will be easier. .

No I have 3 from last year so really only want one this year. Three is a nightmare and they are only 12 months old at the moment but are starting to settle. One of the boys is off to his new home today so lots of exciting adventures ahead for him today.

I understand how you feel. I've been very lucky as I've had my breeder friend/mentor help vet people enquiring about pups, that's a huge backup to have as I'm terrified of getting it wrong or being duped. Do you take up references from a vet? That might be one way to go to help put your mind at ease, assuming enquirers have had a dog before. But as you're finding out, right homes can and do come along.

From my litter last year I had a pup booked for a specific job, sadly her prospective handler became seriously ill so his order was cancelled. But by this time I'd got the absolute perfect pup for the job but now with no handler to go to. So, I played the waiting game, although I did have other people clamouring for her for other work, I was adamant she should go for the job she'd been chosen. She stayed with me just over 4 months, is in the most perfect home, and a couple of weeks ago passed her initial assessment and is now a trainee search and rescue dog at almost 10 months old. Very well worth waiting for the right home in this instance though there were times when I thought I'd end up having an extra dog when I wasn't quite ready for one!!

I hope the new enquirer works out well for you, but I do recommend the vet check if you don't already do so, it may give you some extra peace of mind :-)