Anyone recognise the dogs in the opening scenes of how to buy a puppy? Jemimas film....... plus RSPCA.....

Is there a link somewhere to that video Polly please?

It was on More4 following the Crufts progrmme. It was balanced, Beverley Cuddy was even acting fairly reasonably. The RSPCA tv presenter vet who appeared on Jemima's PDE was on the programme being obnoxious as usual. However not all was lost, Prof Bateson was on and was sensible and reasonable, as was Nicky Paull and Prof Sheila Crispin who gave the programme a lot of balance. Seeing the opening scenes I thought 'Oh NO here we go again more rubbish..... all ignoring that there are good breeders'.

http://www.channel4.com/programmes/how-to-buy-a-puppy/4od

Ah, thanks, but unfortunately, I cannot watch 4OD being overseas! Grr!

I was actually shocked at a couple of things said in the program.
But it was balanced. I felt it should have shown more good breeders and the vetting done by them before a owner gets to the taking a puppy home stage. But you cant have everything you want :P

I wasn't massively impressed I have to say.

With an hour to fill, there was a lot of half-discussed issues, waffle and misconceptions [particularly a couple of SHOCKINGLY bad statements about dangerous dogs/pitbulls].

Asides from that, I t hought what was mentioned on the whole was good and useful but it did NOT go far enough, at all.

It didn't make it clear where to start looking for a puppy, it did not make it clear, really, that it is NORMAL for it to take months to find and wait for the right puppy, or that it is normal to travel some distance.

I think they wasted time trying to discuss issues that were really beyond teh scope of the program and not really all that necessary to tell Joe Bloggs about, and in doing so missed a really good opportunity.

They did go on and on about picking a dog that suits your lifestyle, but i dont think they went far enough. Beyond saying 'pick a dog that suits your lifestyle', they said very little about it.

I think a lot of people will assume that their lifestyle WILL suit a puppy as it will grow up with them, and kid themselvse. If they had laid out really clear examples of how and why things go wrong, for instance huskies and malamutes in little, overheated flats - working bred terriers chosen because people assume a small dog has smaller needs... dogs chosen purely for their appearance..... I think it would have been a lot more useful.

Still - better than nowt!

It was well placed being scheduled right after Crufts had finished. Already people in flatcoats are getting puppy inquiries... :-( sigh..... For once I have to say the more Jemima puts people off having a flatcoat the better! I think it put both sides of the divide well, but it really did not go far enough into how to choose a puppy which is right for your lifestyle.
Sorry Tessies Tracy that you could not see the programme maybe it might make it onto You Tube eventually.

i agree it didnt explain excactly where to get a pup and was saying how good the accreddited breeder scheme is which is untrue as you dont even have to have bred a litter to be in it!
also a lot of the footage was years old. i remember seeing the horse and dallies and the woman with the collies and the woman selling the litter of bearded collies years ago on tv

I watched it last year so didn't bother last night.  Amazing how they put the dogs on from last year programme that got pedigrees a bad name.  If they had a point to make it should have stayed with that particular isssue.

Its a shame they don't hightlight the pitfalls of the designer cross breeds probles and how people are paying a lot of money for dog unhealth tested, possibly carrying bad health traits and no generation look up.

At least Crufts presenters did give it a bit of highlight, even if it was quickly.

It might be on youtbe or look on the more4internet site for downloads.

Hadn't seen it befor but lost interest when the R$PCA chief car mechanic started spouting his ****
Chris

was saying how good the accreddited breeder scheme is which is untrue as you dont even have to have bred a litter to be in it!

That's not true at all. They will NOT accept you until you have registered a litter and if you send in an application they will just keep it pending.

I missed it but someone told me the chap who started the labradoodles was on and someone phoned to say that they were the first person to breed Roodles (RottiexPoodle). They missed what was said to that person..did someone catch it and I hope it wasn't 'well done'

> you dont even have to have bred a litter to be in it!
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that has changed (changes are happening all the time with breed club consultation), until you have bred a litter your application is only pending.  The Kennel club are putting more breed specific requirements and will do more if the breed clubs ask for it.

Nope, he certainly did not!

I think his response was a fairly derogatory 'what on EARTH would you want to do THAT for'... which is pretty much his view on any and all of the doodles. He has said elsewhere [and this was reflected very much in tehw ay he talked about it on the show] that he regretted having ever done it.

He basically said "why on earth would anyone want to do that", amongst other things...the labradoodle breeder hasnt made a penny out of the breed.

was saying how good the accreddited breeder scheme is which is untrue as you dont even have to have bred a litter to be in it!

That's not true at all. They will NOT accept you until you have registered a litter and if you send in an application they will just keep it pending.

well, thats new then because last year you could be an acc breeder for more than one breed but only have bred one litter

I think what annoyed me the most was when they said something along the lines of cross breeds are cheaper, really? Cockapoo and labradoodles sell for the same price as my breed and I have seen them cost more than a pug puppy.

Yet then later in the program they said that a labradoodle could set you back thousands.

I loved the statement from the guy who bred the first labradoodle very honest!

There was one bit that got me, correct me if I am wrong but it said something along the lines of you have pedigree's and cross breeds, you have to re-search before buying a puppy and if you pick a pedigree you need to do mroe re-seach. (something to that effect).

I have a cross breed (rescue) and I had to re-search both breeds that she is crossed with as she takes traits from both if that makes sense.

I also think they didnt offer enough information in regards to what dog breed suits what life style. I once spoke to a guy who wanted a Akita in a 1 bed flat with no outside space and he worked all day.

Its too easy for people to say, cute dog I want that....or thats a good guard dog and not really put any thought into it. Then they are shocked when they cant control the dog. :(

>With an hour to fill, there was a lot of half-discussed issues, waffle and misconceptions [particularly a couple of SHOCKINGLY bad statements about dangerous dogs/pitbulls].

There was a shocking bit IIRC where there were kennels of staffs and a few that may have been pits and the voiceover said something about 'these dogs who have yet to attack a person'  WTF!!  definitely not balanced so totally agree with you theemx

Cheekychow,

Not replying directly to you, just tagging on.

I found the programme somewhat convoluted. I think it tried to cover too many bases and would have done better to stick much more tightly to a brief that the title suggested- 'How to buy a puppy', instead it appeared a rather obvious attempt to redress the damage of PDE and to appease her critics. For me it did not grab or hold the attention, arguably another missed opportunity- but at least she tried.

Anyone recognise the dogs in the opening scenes of how to buy a puppy? Jemimas film....... plus RSPCA

Sorry, I thought Polly was saying 'How to buy a puppy' was Jemima's film- my mistake. Thought you had inside knowledge there Polly ;) Still think the Mentorn film was a mess though, all over the shop.

No  was just pointing out they used some of Jemima's film. I was expecting a really awful PDE mark 2 when I first saw the trailer for it and saw the film clips from PDE so I was surprised that the programme showed some balance and I wondered what other CD members thought of it.

Did anyone hear the part about the pitbulls that had been trained to attack women!!! Thats just scarey....
My sis in law has a staffy x mastiff..Ive never met (apart from my own dogs) such a lovely natured huge boy..his only real joy in life is water (mainly the local park fountain) and giving licks!!!!!

I would take that with a pinch of salt, thats the first I've EVER heard of it, and I've been more involved than most with some of the anti-BSL organisations.

I was really annoyed that they used that clip if the bull breed type attacking the guide dog. YES, it was an awful accident...

However from the second the dog bolts on seeing or hearing the guide dog, his owner is desperately trying to get him back and stop the fight.

Whilst I am not suggesting that dogs owner was some sort of paragon of dog-owning virtue, it wasnt a deliberate attack, he did his damndest to stop it and there are MANY dog aggressive dogs that are not bull breeds, that would have done the same thing.

> I loved the statement from the guy who bred the first labradoodle very honest!
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I still haven't worked out why everywhere tells me that he bred the first.  Because I met my first Lab x Standard Poodle well before he "started" the breed.

To be precise - it was 1976 in Bournemouth.

Was that a deliberate cross though, Jean?

> I still haven't worked out why everywhere tells me that he bred the first.  Because I met my first Lab x Standard Poodle well before he "started" the breed.
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> To be precise - it was 1976 in Bournemouth.

I met my first cross of this type in 1976 also. I was told that it was being puppy walked for Guide Dogs for the Blind and was purposefully bred, as they had some success with this cross in Australia with their Guide Dogs. Perhaps the programme got it wrong?

> Was that a deliberate cross though, Jean?

I was told pretty much the same as Polly.  That they were part of a programme for Guide Dogs.

This would have been better done as a series taking folk through the stages recommended to firstly find the right breed and then the right breeder,giving info on where to go to do the research and questions to ask of the breeder and what things should be red flags and avoided.

Then go through visits to see different breeds by different prospective owners who have chosen a breed and follow them through the first 12 months of the puppies life.

Another episode could show the hard work going into raising a healthy litter from the research to find the correct stud,through whelping and the day the puppies go home.

and so on

It really only skimmed over the surface and repeated a few key phrases.

After PDE I am surprised any breeders were willing to take part. What happened to the medium and small breeds?

> This would have been better done as a series taking folk through the stages recommended to firstly find the right breed and then the right breeder,giving info on where to go to do the research and questions to ask of the breeder and what things should be red flags and avoided.
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> Then go through visits to see different breeds by different prospective owners who have chosen a breed and follow them through the first 12 months of the puppies life.
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> Another episode could show the hard work going into raising a healthy litter from the research to find the correct stud,through whelping and the day the puppies go home.
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> and so on

Totally agree, but as JH will tell you nobody would be interested in that and those who would watch it are likely to be the good breeders and owners. Thats is the reason she gives for PDE being a tabloid piece of sensationalised TV, as otherwise nobody would have watched it or done anything to help dogs.

I don't agree with her TV programme (or blog most of the time, although I only tend to look at the blog if somebody writes to ask if we can 'do something for the paper' on something said there). To be honest as another poster has said it is now like a cracked record and nobody really bothers one way or the other over it. Although it has definitely boosted puppy farm and byb breeders imo and we only have to read Pat's thread about the puppy farm in Wales on here to realise we have much bigger issues to fight now, not only do we have to keep our own dogs healthy and be the guardians of our breeds but we also have to deal with the huge and growing amount of puppies being produced by BYBs and puppy farms.