My bitch puppy that I bred is now crying at night (to be expected) as her litter mates have all left her. However as soon as i shut the door she cries all night. she only stops for around a hour at 4am then starts again I have never ever in my life experienced crying like this. (SHE IS A TOY BREED)
any advice

I have tried everything and she isnt getting any better,  putting teddy bears, ticking clock, heated pad, radio on, other dogs

All my toys have been like this.  I would never shut the door on a crying pup.  I take them to bed with me.  Put a box by the side of my bed, and it's easy to just put my hand down to reassure the lonely mite.

As you will need to be putting her out a few times during the night, I would have thought it would be easier having her close.  Have to say, anyone having a pup off me is told never to leave a pup alone at night until they have settled in and got used to being without siblings.

If you really don't want her in your bedroom can't she stay with her mother or the other dogs, I assume she must be separate from them to be crying? I never leave a pup alone, or any of my dogs actually - they always have company.

> However as soon as i shut the door she cries all night. she only stops for around a hour at 4am then starts again I have never ever in my life experienced crying like this.

I couldn't leave a pup to cry alone at night, it must be so stressed especialy when crying for that lenght of time. As others have said can it not sleep beside your bed or you move beside it downstairs. It must be feeling so alone with litter mates all gone.

Mines in a crate by my bed and has never even peeped,but i think i might just be very lucky as ive only had to take her outside 3 nights in 2 weeks,hope your pup soon settles,you can cope with anything if youre allowed your sleep!Good luck!

>I have tried everything and she isnt getting any better,

Your list is all about things and doesn't appear to include comfort and reassurance.   If you spend any time at all on CD you'll see that this subject comes up quite often and there is a lot of support for the idea of having a newly homed puppy in your room at night for the first few days/weeks.  The same would apply to a puppy you've bred where it's possibly even more important to provide a different night time routine.  Your girl has had everything taken away from her and must feel the loss of her littermates quite keenly.  I can't quite understand how you were able to stay awake to time her crying without going and getting her.

There is a thread here which covers some of what we are advocating.  You'll see that the owner in this case came back to say she wishes she'd done it from day one! 

She must be exhausted, KaneFizz, it's not good for her to get so stressed and sleepless (or you for that matter!). Give her a bit of a break and bring her into your room...says the person who lets three Welshies camp on the bed every night as much as they like :)

I had two of them from puppies and they have never cried, although we sometimes have to agree to disagree over the duvet...

Just to put a slightly different slant on this I have 3 giant breed dogs and have never allowed them upstairs. It is my choice but I take into account that stairs are very bad for my pups bones and I do not wish to be locked into my bedroom every night to stop a puppy falling downstairs in the middle of the night (Stair gate at the top is not workable) and also I do not wish to share my bed with 24 stone of huffy puffy over hot Bernese !! They also get too hot and for choice sleep on the tiled or lino'd floors of the dog room cum conservatory. Even 8 week old Bernese are too hot on carpets and even though they sleep in the room with the big girlies and have vet bed in their pens they still sleep on the cold floor!! I know a lot of you have dogs in the bedroom and take baby pups upstairs when tiny but I never have. I put up a large pen with bedding and newspaper and toys and it is placed in the room with the big girlies. I have never had a pup cry even the 1st night alone with littermates gone and on the whole never got up to them in the night unless there is a problem. They may wet the pen but I find that by 3-4 months my pups are dry both day and night 99% of the time. They go to bed at 11pm and we are usually up by 7am. I have done this for over 35 years with mu dogs and it has worked fine.
Is your pup in the same room as your other dogs? it will help if you can do that. If like me you prefer not to take the pup upstairs then that is fine. Make sure he has a comfy bed with paper down, some nice toys and maybe a chew of some type (Suitable for your breed) some company in the form of another dog and settle him down. Try to make sure you have had a wakefull period just before bedtime and we usually spend a little time before bed with a new pup doing a bit of training with us in the lounge, then a trip out for a wee and a cuddle and settle in the pen and off to bed. and hopefully he will settle in time.
Good luck
Aileen

I also choose not to have my dogs in my bedroom, but when I only had one dog, I would always sleep downstairs with a new pup until they were settled. :)

> says the person who lets three Welshies camp on the bed every night as much as they like :-)
>

Perfectly normal dog person then?  :-)  :-)  :-)

Don't tell my mother :) :) :)

I had a long break from having dogs and we decided to get our little cocker a couple of months ago.  I had forgotten a lot of what it was like to have a pup and I posted on here asking for advice. 

I was advised to either take her into our room (not an option as this is our cats safe haven) or sleep downstairs.  That night hubby slept downstairs on a blow up bed.  It took only 2 weeks and she is sleeping through from 10pm - 5am when I get up to go to the horse.  But she even doesn't get out of bed now!!! :) just wags and tail and goes back to sleep waiting for hubby to get up an hour later!

Best thing we ever did and would do it all over again tomorrow. :)

Ali good to see you have your OH trained as well ! :-D

lol Lucy!! He is the most advanced/well trained husband you could wish for!  and he doesn't even need a clicker or a treat!  Amazing :)

my god!Where did you find him?Any more where he came from?Hehe!

No sorry :(  One of a kind and I am too selfish to share lol But if I could clone him I would make millions!!! :)

Maybe you are trying too hard? im just thinking of you keep coming back in the room to give her these things shes probably thinking the cryings working. Forgive me if im wrong! all my puppies i have popped them in their crate, with blankets, (and usually and old dressing gown of mine! or large teddy) and left the room, no saying goodnight, no fuss. My new puppy cried all through the second night home, i never came down once. and shes never done it again, she goes for a final pee at 11.30 and gets let out again at 6am. Just NEVER come back in to the whining, and if you have to, ignore them completely. I dont think its cruel, i think if you keep comforting them you will be creating an unstable adult, that will never be able to be left, they have to learn its ok to be alone. (her crate is also next to my adult dogs bed)

> My new puppy cried all through the second night home, i never came down once

You sound as if you are proud of that fact.  I consider it to be extremely hard hearted.  The Animal Welfare act makes you responsible for the mental welfare of a dog.

CD is here for people to air their views.  But novices reading these posts need to be aware that some opinions are not in the best interests of the dog.

> Just NEVER come back in to the whining, and if you have to, ignore them completely. I dont think its cruel,

Well I do.  

My new puppy cried all through the second night home, i never came down once

I also find this very harsh and cruel, would never leave a dog or pup of any age alone distressed for that lenght of time. Just as easy to sleep alongside pup and then gradually move away.

I also think that is harsh and cruel! A new puppy is a baby- would you leave a human baby to cry all night? I think not!

Love and care never turns a pup into an unstable adult. Lack of, may well do!

>   I dont think its cruel, i think if you keep comforting them you will be creating an unstable adult, that will never be able to be left,

There are several fully qualified behaviourists who post on here who say the exact opposite is actually true,that leaving a puppy like that can leave to an unstable adult which suffers from separation anxiety.I'm sorry but I'm inclined to believe them not you.
How can you think a young puppy can go all through the night without needing a wee? Sorry but it most certainly is cruel.Your poor puppy.

Depends how many pups you've reared, how successful your 'leave them to cry' technique has worked over several individuals and whether you

feel it's OK to leave a small, frightened little pup alone to cry all night.

I'm always mindful that they are babies, they miss their companions and their mum and are not crying to annoy you.

My pups sleep in a little crate by my bed for the first lonely weeks/months of their life (post mum) and Im happy with this-because they are.

I love my dogs.

Have to agree Im afraid.Ive TRIED leaving them downstairs,but could never stand them crying for more than 5 minutes,it breaks your heart.So as they end up in my bedroom anyway,ive given up,and my last 2 pups started off in there!Not a peep from my current pup,not once,even,and the 2year old is lovely,no major problems.I suppose not everyone wants a dog in the bedroom,but its worked fine for me.

Like Merlot we have a large breed and don't let puppies upstairs, non of the Bullmastiffs have cried at night only our Cane Corso so she slept upstairs after a while. Draco is 9 months old now is is just started to come upstairs but he isn't allowed to sleep up there. Stairs and a clumsy large breed goofy puppy is a disaster waiting to happen

Maybe start with your puppy in your bedroom by your bed like others have said then gradually move her away from the bed to the otherside of the room then outside the room then eventually downstairs. Dogs in the bed our beds is a big no no.

I suppose those of us who have bred out own pups or have other adult dogs never need to leave them alone.

Never allowed my first two lone dogs upstairs as both times I still had a toddler sleeping in my bedroom, but did go down to let them out for a wee, wait for them to become bored with my non interaction and settle and then go back to bed.

To the OP why is the pup crying if Mum is nearby????

When reading your post I was reminded of the NSPCC ad - the baby in the cot who had learnt not to cry because no-one ever came.  Unstable adults in ANY species are created by neglect of their basic needs.  Yes I think it's cruel to ignore a baby in distress.

I have a 10 week old puppy and as soon as she starts to squeak during the night I immediately attend to her, she usually needs to go out,I would never ignore her, as with my other two dogs if they need me during the night I will get up to see to them.

Dont get me wrong im not trying to be cruel! I have just always done this and never had any problems with seperation anxiety.
Where as i know lots of people who have taken pups to bed and slept with them and they cant leave the house without the dog going mad, or get it to leave the bedroom as adults. It works for me. If the pup continued for nights and nights stressing itself out i would do different, but ive found its one night and then they are fine. My adult dogs have always been well balanced and caused no problems at nights or when out, and they know they can still call me for a toilet at 3am and they do!
And i did not leave the pup with no access for toilet, i still let her out at 12 and 4-5am every night for the first couple weeks and then she had me up to play at 6am! I just come down, out to toilet, back in crate, no chatting or playing. i am certainly not lazy! I just think it causes less problems in the long run. How are they ever going to learn that being alone is ok? sometimes i think it drags it out and causes more stress over time, but thats just my opinion. Sorry if people are offended but im not about to change something thats worked happily for us for over 10years now my dogs are happy well rounded, even my vet commented that my pup was by far the most 'confident and happy' pup of this breed she had seen!