I didn't worm my girl prior to mating with the idea of using Panacure.  Now I've been paniking in case i should have done the usual routine.  I chose to change my min d this time in case it contributed her not taking previously, wormed a few days before with milbemax from the vet.

now i'm worried that she has lots of worms making her babies ill 9stupid i know) and if that might be a reason why one was being absorbed (I'm not aware of any connection); there's plenty of us on here who could answer that, I'm sure.

Am i ok to waite and start on day 49 or could I give milbemax or alternative now.

If you use Panacure what are the worming timetables prior to mating.

Thanks.

i guess no one can help.

Can I just confirm?  Are you saying that your bitch is on day 49 of gestation?

If I've understood that correctly, please do start Panacur 10% today.  You will be glad that you did.  :-)

No, she's not there yet.  she's day 36.  Thanks.

My main concern is waiting that long in case the whelps are affected, how long between worming at day 40. 

Hi...my girl wasn't due to be wormed so I didn't worm her before her season. Stud dog owner told me to use Panacur 10% from day 40 of pregnancy. I was going to ask how much to give her etc when we went for mating, but it's not happening now, so I didn't get the relevant info. I'm sure someone will come along with more help & advice xx

Think best to stick to the Panacure plan then, thanks.  i was worried that my girl would have worms and it affect her babies.  I usually worn about every 6 months.

i didnt worm mist before mateing she was done 1month before i did panacur 10% from day 40 but she didnt get any day day before whelping and 2days after due to her not eating her pups are all fine and im just worming them now so their done for 7weeks.
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Hi, if your girl is on day 36 I'm not too sure what the problem is, but I'd start giving her the Panacur 10% on Day 40, as recommended. So long as you worm you pups when they arrive at the recommended times, and your girly at the same time, you will be absolutely fine.

If the pups have a few worms it really isn't a big deal. So long as they're wormed as per manufacturers recommendations.

> i was worried that my girl would have worms and it affect her b

Worming your girl prior to mating will have no effect whatsoever on the worms in the puppies.  It is actually pregnancy homones that wakes up all those encysted worms.  So worming during pregnancy has a far greater benefit for your pups, as they should be born 98% worm free.

Please do be sure that you are 100% accurate with your dosing.  The pregnant dose is actually quarter of a normal adult dose.  But, naturally, it is given daily, and goes on for 2 days after whelping.  I never count my 40 days from the first tie, always from the last.  That way I know that I'm not worming too early during gestation.

While it's nice to have a bitch wormed prior to mating, if you worm every 6 months usually, I wouldn't worry too much.

Thanks for the replies.

i had a panic that that she might have a worm burden and felt guilty for not worming her.  Funny thing is she's taken this time.  Thanks for the reasurance about it not affecting her.

My main delema was whether to get a milbermax and change my mind of trying Panacure.  She's small breed so will be careful with the dosing.

We went with Panacur for my toy breed bitch, shes on day 46 now. The vet gave us a tiny 1 ml syringe with clear markers all the way up the side so we can get the dosage spot on.

Hi I have been deciding to Milbemax or not but after reading threads etc Panicure sounds better. My bitch is on day 40 if we go by the middle tie so may do what you have advised and go by the last tie.

I will get the Panicure 2.5% as I should be able to use on pups then when borne is the 10% a bit strong and hard to dose for (Collie) pups?

I also read that Milbi is a one of but the pro-longed course of Pani heavily reduces the infection to the pups as Milbe is fire and forget when its worne of any more worms that hatch after will infect the pups. If I have understood that is also why the Pani aproach is so effective as its over a pro longed period starving all the worms that have hatched. Also a website advised its done in a less aggresive way with Milbi so less risks of making pups ill.

As far as I'm aware, Milbemax hasn't always been licensed to use on pregnant bitches, whereas Pancur has. Also, depending on breed, Milbemax can prove fatal to collie and collie crosses. A very good reason why it wouldn't even be given space in my house! :-)

Panicbutton it does say on the milbemax info sheet that tolerance in young collies has not been tested. I've never heard of a single collie dying from it, but still that sentence is enough to put me off. You can use Milbemax for adult collies, but you have to be more careful than with other breeds to stick to the correct dose. I'm saying collie here but I mean any breed that may have the defective MDR1 gene.

You can use Milbemax for adult collies

Only if you're sure they don't have the MDR-1 gene. It isn't an age related drug intollerance :-(

There are collies that have died as a result of this drug.

I don't know what breed panicbutton has, it may not be relevant to them.

> You can use Milbemax for adult collies
>
> Only if you're sure they don't have the MDR-1 gene. It isn't an age related drug intollerance

Even in dogs that do have the mutant MDR1 gene, or unknown status you can use Milbemax but you must give the correct dose.

Nah, wouldn't be prepared to take your word on that count :-) Without wanting to come across rude!

There are perfectly good alternatives, without DNA testing my dogs to be sure MDR-1 gene isn't present, I aint willing to put any of my collies at risk. There's too much documentation out there to show that prescribed dosages or not, the risks are there, and in some dogs very high :-(

Oh I don't blame you :-)  But you have apparently used it yourself...

> By Trialist   Date 10.04.10 13:54 GMT
>Gosh, I'm surprised Millbemax recommended, but then that's what my vet recommends to me very time I visit so I'm guessing there's quite a good mark up on it.  I've used it a few >times in the past

Also if it wasn't safe at all for MDR1 affected dogs then vets wouldn't be able to use it all, how could they ever know if the crossbreed in front of them may have had a herding breed as it's great, great grandfather. Certainly you'd never know looking at Silken Windhounds that they can carry the gene.

Yes, I have used it but before I knew the implications, and some years ago. I was struck by the HUGELY explosive response. So stopped using it then. Later on I discovered the implications with collie & collie crosses. I have fabulous vets, however, they do recommend Milbemax - safe for majority - but then, I have come to realise that vets DON'T know everything (I have the heartache and the huge bills to prove it :-( ). I would also still require a lot more to convince me that this drug is ok to use on pregnant bitches.

Have I become a bit of a stick in the mud? Maybe I have, but the M drug is most definitely off my list and also I drum it into my pup owners that they most definitely should never use it.

BTW, talking to a vet friend ... there is a very healthy markup on the M drug :-(

My sister was given it for her Sheltie puppy, who then became very ill. 
Never ever will i use this on my shelties...
Yvonne

Hi

Wow it is very relavent shes a collie alright didnt even know the risk. My vet advised I could use it but after reading previous notes on forums on here and the web decided Panicure.

Glad I did now was close!!

I have no idea about this rogue gene and no little about it.

However I bought two bottles 1 x 10% for the bitch until two days after whelp and 1 x 2.5% for the pups when there here :)

I gave her a dose tonight and what a nightmare I added to some food but she cought on and spat it out. I had to add more stuff to hide the taste. Myself and other half have decided to use the seringe tomorrow I got from the vets and squirt into mouth rather than add to food.

any advise on best way of feeding Pani to fussy Bitch?

Also she has always been a bit fussy from time to time with food we have made an effort to keep her well fed but is it normal for them to go off certain foods while pregnant? I have changed to a third brand now (Good food naturel food onto a Puppy food advised good as a little extra protein) to keep her interested in the dried food I mix with the wet as the wet food is around 7% protein but dried puppy food 28% so the wets there to make the better stuff tasty for her.

Apoligies I know two questions and some one elses thread hops its ok to ask?

i think i was lucky with my girls i added it to their food and they ate the lot lol when giving it by syring make sure she has had to just before you give it her ,it does say to give with food but doing that way is fine also...mine have a stage of going off food when their in whelp i just ad what ever they will eat but dont over feed you dont want her to fat at whelping time ...she might be very big because of pups thats fine you just dont want her carring to much lol hope you get what im tring to say :)
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I can get my girl to take Panacur if I put it into some goat's milk (not cow's milk), or poach some white fish in a little goat's milk & then stir in the Panacur. Brainless tells us Panacur has a chalky taste - I've not tried it to find out but am very happy to take her word for it :-)

Your girly will love you even more if you start giving her poached fish!!

Another one might be to try some raw tripe - the sort you get in frozen bags at Pets at Home, Anglian I think it's made by. My dogs love this, so just a little with some Panacur mixed in does seem to go down without any objection.

If all other options fail then syringe it is!