Do old-style Pekingese still exist? Does anyone breed them?

Well not really as the breed has evolved (for good or ill) though some are less exaggerated than others.  It will take a few generations of selecting dogs with slightly longer muzzle, less nose wrinkle etc before the lay person would notice much difference.

The problem is people don't notice things changing until it has gone  long way.  this is why new breeders really do need to look back and see from what their breed has come and where ti is going and decide whether a step back is not needed.

Yes a lot of breeds were less exaggerated, but at the same time look at the old pictures and footage and you will see a lot of structural faults in many breeds like queen Ann fronts, cow hocks etc that have seen improvement some of ti is nutritional.

In the short term someone who likes pekes but wants a less hyper-typical one might consider a Tibetan Spaniel or Japanese Chin.

Otherwise I think visits to Breed club shows where a large cross section of dogs and their breeders can be found and you can research to see which dogs have a more old fashioned (less extreme) appearance question the breeders to see if this is in fact their aim, ans get on their waiting list for a puppy and choose one that is less coated and moderate.

For someone who feels really strongly then they have to get in there and have their own breeding program, and critically persuade otehrs to feel the sme way, as you can only breed from what you ahve available, but it will be a work of several decades, adn peopel are not in general in breeds logn enough.

It took that long to get to where any breed breed is now, so there is no quick fix.

> For someone who feels really strongly then they have to get in there and have their own breeding program, and critically persuade otehrs to feel the sme way, as you can only breed from what you ahve available, but it will be a work of several decades, adn peopel are not in general in breeds logn enough.
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> It took that long to get to where any breed breed is now, so there is no quick fix.

The Clumber spaniel folk took this on and produced a lighter dog for working. A lay person would probably not notice much difference. It can be done but as Brainless has pointed out it does take a lot of time.

Pekes from pictures I saw at the Manstone Kennels many years ago did at one time look much more like Tibetan Spaniels that the dog they are now. I wonder if they had similar ancestory?

I love the working clumbers I have met, absolutely lovely really stocky but not overdone. 

They really have all the breed characteristics, but not in an overstated way.  Unlike some of the other more popular working working versions of gundog breeds that often in looks and sometimes construction poorly fit the breed standard.

There was one that came to the pet Obedience class that a freind runs, as a puppy, the owenrs family have always had them and they do a bit of beating.

I would imagine the Pekes and Tibbies must be related.  As these were Court/Palace/Temple lapdogs and the countries are neighbours (or is it more like Tibet has been subjugated) then the dogs are likely related.

> I love the working clumbers I have met, absolutely lovely really stocky but not overdone. 

Agree Brainless and I have had them beating on a shoot I used to go to. I also had Sussex spaniels and field spaniel beating as I was able to give these minor breeds a chance to do their job. One of the best beating spaniels I had on the shoot was Niriti Brown Hairstreak who went on to win at group level at Crufts. Barty was really good at his job and I could see myself choosing one now for beating, ( I have worked my daughters springer, but he is getting on now, so you never know!)

I've always hankered for a Sussex but have heard one or 2 stories about the breed's temperament!

Around 15 years ago I lived in Eastbourne and one of my work mates had a Sussex Spaniel called Gloria who was one of the prettiest dogs I have ever seen. She was not a long and low  as the ones I have seen (in photos admittedly) recently and her head was less exaggerated.

She could be stubborn but had a great temperament with dogs and people - she sometimes accompanied us to the local pub and enjoyed the attention (and treats) she was given!

OOh Sussex :)   I've been waiting nearly 3 years for one! 

I had a genuine old-style Pekingese in the 70s and 80s. He was a real beauty - obviously even at that time the Pekingese in the show ring were a different type, but several of the older championship judges greatly admired him and told me he would have made a champion back in the day. He had the old-type unexaggerated coat with distinct mane instead of the modern massive coat, the fine black Mandarin ear fringes instead of the huge lumps of fluff, and the correct rolling movement which you never see nowadays, and he was sound enough to enjoy running miles across Dartmoor and climbing Mount Snowdon. He also had a fascinating pedigree - I was able to trace most of the lines back to the 19th-centuiry imports. After his death I searched for old-fashioned Pekes in vain. We've had some wonderful dogs since his time, but there is nothing quite like a Peke. Nine years ago we adopted a rescue Peke of modern type. We love him, but will never have another. He is basically disabled to the point of not being able to lead a normal life. I have stopped watching Crufts because it makes me homicidal, watching the Pekes lurch and hobble round the ring behind their owners. I am old enough to remember when the breed sailed confidently round the ring ahead of their owners. I HATE what they have done to this wonderful breed.

If you come across any old-style Pekingese, LET ME KNOW!

Pekes from 1922 - don't they look like Tibetans!!!
http://www.britishpathe.com/record.php?id=8296

and compare with Pekes in 1956....
http://www.britishpathe.com/record.php?id=581

and 1969...
http://www.britishpathe.com/record.php?id=45660

Not into pekes at all but just had a quick look........The 1922 clip............They Have Visible LEGS.....
What a difference!

Do watch the middle one right to the end - it's priceless!!!

disgusting, the dogs are lovely but i hate dressing up dogs like dollys!

Dressing dogs up I don't really mind but using them like hand puppets, no no. That was so weird.