mist is telling pups off now once shes let them have afew min of sucking at the milk bar by puting her paw on them and pining them down but she is hurting them! and dont stop when they cry out im worried shes going to do some damage to them? i have to really shout at her this afternoon 1 of the boy pups screemed out as what looked like her standing on him and had to make her leave them ,ive not seen any bitch like this with their litter :( ,could this be because she had em spay so her hormones arnt the same now ,but she is a 1st time mum so it could be that!
and shee could of been like this anyway? am i doing the right thing by not leting her go to them now she frightens me to see her with them :( ,i have anougher girl that will play lovely with shes been in to see them afew times but when mist is outside as shes not happy that the other dogs go near them???? their 5weeks old tomorrow ,any1 eles had this kind of problem and what did you do???
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I don't think it would hurt for them not to feed from her now.  Could you supervise her with them then remove her after they have finished.

i suppose she's also teaching them manners and pack order?

Poor Mist she has gone through it, amybe you're right as she's a first time mum and had plently of trauma to go with it.

i dont leave her alone with them i carnt incase she does somthing to them, yes she probley is teaching them manners but if you could see her :( its so scarry to see her with them tho ,i think i will have to do that just let her have afew mins with them thanks reikiangel
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Hopefully you'll some more advice to help you. xx

Can she leave them as she wishes?

yes i leave the pen door open but she dont want to i feel like she just wants to hurt them ??? shes so over the top with them :(
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Without seeing what she is doing, and how hard she is doing it, we can't really give good advice, only remark on what we have seen our own bitches do to our own pups, so please don't misunderstand anything written. ;-)

My own bitches are very rough with their pups, at about the 5-6 week mark. They are beginning to get fed up of the sharp teeth so will tell the pups off. The problem is that some mums will go a bit overboard with it. They just want to be left alone, but they also still have the strong maternal instinct that tells them they want to stay with their babies. They are confused, especially if they are first time mums. I just tell mine to be gentle and they get the message, after a few tellings :-p They will still tell the pups off, but aren't quite so rough.

Only you can tell whether your bitches behaviour is OTT, and if she is a bit too much for them, then try telling her to be careful or gentle, and intervene if necessary.

Without seeing what she is doing, and how hard she is doing it, we can't really give good advice, only remark on what we have seen our own bitches do to our own pups, so please don't misunderstand anything written. 

yes lindylou you are right :0) and thankyou for your coment i agree with what your saying about mums and this age ,i will just keep watching her for now and make her get out if she carrys on hurting them like she does im just so worried she will damage thir backs with the way she is hurting them ,none of my girls have been this way with their pups before ,i will got with my gut feeling here i think and just keep her out from them abit and let her in and watch and see how it goes , thankyou :)
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maybe mum isnt feeling 100% and is loosing patients with them....she could have some internal bruising still from the dleivery eventhough it was a while ago. Try giving her some arnica to help with the healing process.

With my last litter mum was so easy going with the puppies ..she never once told them off from grabbing onto her long coat and swinging which must have really hurt to sitting on her head , nipping at her feet, she was very accomodating to whatever they wanted  ..she seemed to revel in it ,which concerned me... I had to be the one to tell them off!!  :)

People actually told me that I should have taken her away from them sooner , I couldnt see the point she loved to be with them. Some breeders remove the mum at this point and just let her pop in occasionally  so that she can get back into condition for the show ring....everyone has thier own way.

> Without seeing what she is doing, and how hard she is doing it, we can't really give good advice, only remark on what we have seen our own bitches do to our own pups,

This is very relevant, and should be judged dependant on breed.  I once had contact from someone with a litter (same breed as my own), and they were extremely worried about the behaviour of mum towards pups.

So much so, that they videoed them together, and sent to me, asking why mum was so horrible!

What I was witnessing was perfectly normal behaviour.  It was just the first time that this person had seen mum being quite so dominant.  It was, to me, nothing at all to worry about.

i had a girl like yours roni she just let the pups run wide LOL and took it all from them but when they got to 6weeks old she would shake when she saw them bless her so i didnt give pups chance to get to her and she was so happy to not have them around her, their all so different arnt they! :)
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that maybe so jean for a novice breeder but WL has had a few litters and knows the difference... apart from the fact this having been a traumatic  time for everyone around , I can sympathise with WL in her concerns re this behaviour ...not worth risking it now .. after everything mum and the family have been through and made it this far.

Hi jean i can see what your saying :) but like roni siad this isnt my first litter ( reading some posts you would think it was lol) not that ive had lots because i havnt ;)
the way mist is being to her pups isnt good at all poor pups! its like shes a different girl so now im keeping her away for her milk to dry up even tho she dont have much anyway,il let her back in with them and see how she goes if shes the same then thats it mist stays away from them for the pups safety and my other 2 girls can go and play with them :)
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thanks roni
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My girl's the opposite, she never told Hetty off for anything, even now Hetty is nearly as big as her and drags her around by the ear!! I have to tell her to leave her mum alone. I would do like you already are and supervise closely, telling mum to be gentle if you are worried.

My bitch pins pup down too , they play extremely rough, but in large breed like mine i find this acceptable they are very robust pups to be honest and even though they might cry, they need to learn and mum and other dogs in the home are the best teachers by far. on the odd ocassion that there is a really pushy pup, i wouldn't find it unacceptable for her to snap at pup if not listening to other warnings first, I know this would be in a telling off manner as her temp is second to none as she is very placid even when strangers arrive around the babies :-)