:( pups are still in whelping box but it is very big ,1 side is vet bed other side news paper ,i let them out to play pee poo when their awake ,i got up this morning to them all lay on tiled floor which is cold! :( the paper had been riped up and i a pile and the floor coverd in pee so they were coverd too the vet bed nice and clean ,it wasnt even warm in the room ,id cought the heating dial and turned it right down :( .....this is a dirty litter thats for sure!! i carnt get them out side yet the winds are so bad they might end up in oz LOL what can i do to keep them dry at night should i just cover all the box in vet bed then they will stay dry??? and not be laying in cold wee and a cold floor their only 4 weeks and 3days old.
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They just woke up before you, did what we all do when we first wake up - and then played, like puppies do!  By the time you saw them they'd had a wonderful time, wrestling, shedding paper etc, and they'd crashed out and gone to sleep where they dropped! :) :)
They hadn't dirtied their Vetbed!!
Pretty normal for my pups at that age - that's why I always invite people who think they want to breed round for breakfast at 7am one morning so that they can see what I come down to in the morning! :) :)

I just wipe them all with a warm damp flannel.  Given them a good rub with a rough towel and a little sprinkle of talc and they're all ready for another fun day! :)

Your pups will have good coats on them.  At 4 1/2 weeks, they'd get themselves off the cold floor and onto the Vetbed if they were cold, although I do put vinyl under my playplen which isn't so cold to the touch.

Please tell me that comment about 4 week old puppies being dry at night was in jest??  If you cover the area in vetbed, you are just undoing all the instictive house-training they have  built in to their tiny brains of not to soil their bed so predators connot smell the litter.
My pups recently left at 71/2 weeks and most of them were still weeing through the night, albeit on the paper, but I think that's all you can expect at this age.

Bless! I've always put a few scattered blankets and a puppy bed down too on a night as one or two often don't make it back to their lovely warm 'den' the litters vary some always go back to their den others when older tend to scatter, at least when exhaustion hits they can generally find a warm place to snuggle before they drop off, so maybe if you also scatter some fleeces, blankets in other parts of the whelping area on a night too, you won't need to worry about cold tiles. :-)

> Please tell me that comment about 4 week old puppies being dry at night was in jest?

I think you will find that you have taken white lilly's comment out of context.  She is not implying that pups should not wee at night, if you re-read her post.

Yes - it's about keeping puppies dry so that they stay warm, not getting wet and chilled. Nothing about them not weeing at night.

:O LOL id be thinking something was very wronge if i didnt get up to pee everywhere ;) 12.30 am till 6 am is a very long time for my babbies :0)
carrington thats a great idea i will put some extra blankets in each conner on the other side they sleep around the edges most of the time and hope they can get it them before falling to sleep bless them , and i will make sure the heating is on very low before i go to sleep ,im still sleeping down stairs with them but in the next room ,i think i will try and get some lino for the box too :)
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My litter is six weeks old tomorrow and the same happened to me this morning, I also put it down to them waking up before me LOL!

My litter have a similar set up to yours and I rarely find them on the vet bed, they often sleep on the newspaper or cool floor, and have been like this for the last three weeks. I have come to the conclusion they are a warm bunch! When they were tiny with the heat lamp on they were rarely in a puppy pile and mostly scattered around the edges. I just came to the conclusion that the pups knew how they felt.

Mine are a medium sized gundog breed, don't know what breed you have, hope you sort out their living accommodation to their satisfaction LOL!

Mine are always like this prior to going outside when they tend to hang on to number two's for there.

I have found using shredded paper keeps puppies much drier and cleaner as the poo and pee end up at the bottom.

You do tend to find the shredded paper all around the House but it is a lot less messy in the puppy Pen dn puppies are fresher.

I also put baby bath in warm water and use it with a wrung out cloth to freshen them up, especially the paws once they are going out.

As for going outside at present, mien sure would be, did even when we had snow.  As long as they can get dry and warm., which is easy enough to do with towelling them off and bringing them in when sleepy.

im hopeing the weather changes soon brainless its gailforce winds and raining so fast theres no way 4week old pups can go out there!! i dont have a run that they can go in :( just my patio and now my bloody drier has just died on me :(:( now washing and drying 6 lots of vet bed is going to take ages :(:(:(
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When you say shreaded paper B, do you mean like the really fine horse bedding (high security shreaded) or do you mean like the good ol' fashioned paper like the shreaded paper you generally get from one of the home shreading machines (the strips anout half a cm wide, and as long as the paper used?

Sorry might sound a daft question

Well I have been using what hubby shreds from the junk mail or newspaper hand shredded if we run low.

Of course you can buy bailed white clean tissue, but with grey dogs I don't worry about it not being white.

If I run out I will buy some of that, but we collect all we shred through the year and make up a big bale in big bags and store in the loft.

Thanks :-)