ive weighed all pups today and the range from 2.18kg to 2.90kg and from what the guides say for this wormer i have to give all pups 2ml ???? it says 2-4kg 2ml for 3days surely this is alot for the small pups????
worried about giving this amount to them :( any help please i want to worm them tonight
xxxx

Yes, I've used Panacur 10% and it is that much - 2 ml is a tiny amount, less than 1/2 a teaspoon ;)

I prefer to worm in the morning though, with their first meal.  That way you can keep an eye on them during the rest of the day and if (heaven forbid) you felt that the vet were needed it would be in normal hours ;)    

ive just done them and im wearing it! and 1 of them was sick after i gave it her :( but it came up with food so she ate it again when i offerd it her lol its just the shock of the taste i think! i hate useing this stuf knowing ive got 2 more days of doing in :(
xxxx

It's a while since I have used the 10% - I have a toy breed so used the lower dose - think it is 2.5%.  However, the puppy instructions are given on a per Kg rate, so you measure out the exact amount for each pup.  Have you checked out the fold out paper inside rather than just on the box?

Puppies and kittens under 6 months of age 0.5 ml Panacur 10% Liquid per kg bodyweight daily for 3 consecutive days given by mouth directly after feeding to unweaned animals or mixed with food for weaned animals (= 50 mg fenbendazole/kg bodyweight daily for 3 days). Practical dosage recommendations: Up to 1 kg 0.5 ml daily for 3 days 1 to 2 kg 1 ml daily for 3 days 2 to 4 kg 2 ml daily for 3 days 4 to 6 kg 3 ml daily for 3 days 6 to 8 kg 4 ml daily for 3 days 8 to 10 kg 5 ml daily for 3 days For puppies weighing over 10 kg, an extra 0.5 ml is required daily for each additional kg bodyweight. Puppies should be treated at 2 weeks of age, 5 weeks of age and again before leaving the breeder's premises. Treatment may also be required at 8 and 12 weeks of age

this is part of what is said regarding the wormer only copy the part needed :)
xxxx

I always use the panacur paste .In  the syringe you just click it onto the notches , find it easy to give , think it works out more expensive depending on how many puppies you have but prefer it.

white lilly
at 0.5 for each 1kg of weight - that is only 1ml for a 2kg pup!  So, even your largest pup only needs 1.5ml by my reckoning - unless I'm going doolally.

And, to be fair, with pups that big, a lot of breeders with the larger breeds, give all the pups in a litter the same dose - i.e. in this case 1.5ml

I see that Gwen uses 2.5% for her toys, but the reason I love 10% is that you only need to give a quarter the dose, so don't take any where near as long to get it down them.  I would never go back to 2.5% - and it does work out much dearer to use.  (Although that is not my reason for preferring 10%)

Re- check your calculations - then tell me if it's me having a senior moment!  :-(  It has been known!

yes jean it does say that on the box but when you look up the dose it says what i put ,it so confuseing so the bigger ones i gave just under 2ml and 1 1/2 for smaller pups they are ok and have ate a massive about of food at 10pm none have been sick ,only the girl that didnt like it. hope i havnt gave them to much now??? only going on what they say :(
xxxx

I never use their approx tables - I hate it to say "for pups between 2-3kg etc", as it's obvious that a 2kg pup doesn't need the same dose as a 3kg pup - which is why my example gave an "exact" dose for pups.

I do admit to being a picky little sod, and have to have it EXACTLY right.  But, in my defence, when I do the first 14 day wormer, some of my pups only need 0.02ml!  Which is a miniscule amount!  As to giving them too much - while I would never recommend it, I am pretty certain that it has been tested to many times it's normal dose, prior to licensing.  1.5 ml is ample for your pups though.

By the way - smiled at the fact that you have got a girl that didn't like it!  I once said to my vet that pups screwed their faces up, as if I'd given them lemons.  He just asked me if I'd tasted it - and he wasn't joking!  He tells me that it tastes chalkie.  I have taken his word for it! :-)

LOL @ your little one who didn't like it :D

When I give it I put it in something really tasty - like sardines in tomato sauce.  That way they are so excited about the sardines they don't notice the Panacur  ;)

what about giving them upset tums at 4weeks old???? id be worried ,and not sure how to do all 9 that way maybe i could but in a small amount of mince 1 at a time out of the box!

i have anougher problem now 1 of them was sick 3 times after eating their 10oclck feed :( i was out and hubby was here but he dont know which 1 cus he siad he didnt hear them :(:(:( the 1 and only time i nip to the shop and get some fresh air!! :(

but after feed them at 2 1 of the smaller boys hasnt eaten anything well he had a lick at the food and walked away! he is alitter constipated so im wondering if thats why he was sick im keeping a close eye on him but not sure now about worming him now...:( its worry after worry isnt it! but he did feed from mum before i fed them all
xxxx

Sorry to hear you are still struggling, I've been away for a few days and was hoping things were going more smoothly! Worming is so awkward at that age isn't it!!

yes lucydog its that age were thay want out of the box to play pee poo ,the whelping room is big enough for they to play and ive cleaned it very well but wonder if he has picked something up from the floor? well no more sick since and all have very normal poos some alittle hard but they are pooing ok
xxxx

Hi everyone, I'm new here and new to breeding. My dog has just whelped her first litter (8 pups) and I've found this site really useful.

With regard to Panacur, could I clarify that the worming is 3 consecutive days at at 2-3 weeks, then 3 days at 4-5 weeks and again 6-7 weeks? Sorry if that sounds a silly question but it's not clear. I've been advised to worm at 3, 5, and 7 weeks so that the pup isn't inoculated the same time as they have their final wormer, as there is the possibility of toxic overload (she had a dog do this).

Hi dream alot dont do the 3 times worming with panacur some litters have had reactions at the 5week worming so what they worm at 3 weeks then at 7weeks but them that do this have wormed mum from 40days of being in whelp you didnt say if you did your girl??

i did my girl but she missed 4 days at the end because of not eating and panacur must be given with food! so when the pups were born i needed to get them wormed asap i used drontal puppy at 2weeks and wormed this made some of the very poorly and ended up at the vets (ive used this wormer so many times and not had any problems with 2week old pup) some of the pups were sick after giving it them, so i knew i had to worm at 4 weeks has some wouldnt be coverd by the wormer! ive used panacur over 3days and not had 1 problem after useing it only when giving it lol 1 of the girls goes mad and if she is put down after having it she will be sick so i gave it and would hold her for 10mins for a cuddle and that worked she wasnt sick :)
i will be worming them at 7 weeks with panacur ready for them going to new homes ,
so what im trying to say is if mum was wormed from day 40 and didnt miss any days you might want to worm them at 3weeks for 3days then 7 weeks for 3 days!
xxxx

Hi white lilly, yes my bitch was wormer from day 40 and didn't miss any days. I was advised by my vet to use Panacur rather than Drontal, as border collies (my breed) have been known to have adverse reactions to Drontal.

Interesting you say to worm just twice, I have never heard of that.

Horses for courses I guess - Flatcoats and Goldens have has seriously bad reactions to Panacur 10% at the second worming.

Jo   

I have used Panacur suspension 10% for many years.  I also worm in whelp bitches.

However, I have never veered from the manufacturers recommendations.  Pups get done at 14 days, 5 weeks, 8 weeks and 11 weeks (if still here.)  I normally give puppy owners just enough Panacur to do the 11 week dose for 3 days.

Unlike some, I have never had any problems.  You are always going to get different replies, dependant on each breeders experiences.

> panacur must be given with food!

I have to be totally honest here.  Although mum gets her panacur put in her poached white fish, I always syringe it down pups.  I have not had any reactions from giving without food - and the manufacturers instructions do not mention that it is necessary.

Can i join this rather than starting a new one for the same thing.

The last two matings I've wormed with milbermax about two days before mating.  This time I didn't incase this had something to do missed conception; i don't think it did but just to be cautious.  i planned on using panacur this time but have heard can still use milbermax whilst in whelp bit doesn't 'kill one of the worms'?.

is Pancure better and can i use Drontal on pups (if there is any) or is it best to use Panacure.  i assume the Panacure will pass through mums milk so would babies get a double dose?

Thanks and Sorry for hijacking WL.

Its interesting about GR's having a reaction, was going to do the whole brood.

> Interesting you say to worm just twice, I have never heard of that.

Hi there.  It is me and a few others who have had experience of problems worming so often with Panacur after already worming the Mum.

My now 13 year old eldest and some of her littermates were very poorly, and a friends puppy ended up in vets on a drip.

Going back historically.

with my first two litters the Vet dispensed me the Panacur with instructions to worm at 3 and 7 weeks, as well as doing Mum during pregnancy.  did this with no problems and gave the pups and me time to ensure no reactions before them going to new homes.

The next litter I bred I got the wormer in a 100ml bottle packaged by the manufacturer with their instructions to worm at 2-3 weeks, 5 weeks and 8 weeks (3 day course each time), this is the litter I had problems with, as did a fellow breeders some weeks earlier.

The next litter after that and every litter since I have wormed at 21-23days, and 7wks - 7wks 2 days.  I have never seen worms from any of my pups and have now been worming 6 generations of pregnant bitches and their pups.

What I do find is that their appetites can fall off a bit during the worming course, usually a bit on the second day and a bit more the third day, and some become a bit fussy as if they perhaps have indigestion, and toothpaste consistency stools often result, but they soon are back to normal.

They then leave with instructions to worm again at 11 weeks (so as you say it comes between vaccinations), and monthly to 6 months with the three day puppy dose, and then as adults.

Also re vaccinations, I do not let a part vaccinated puppy go to it's new home as if the vaccines used by new owners vets is a different make they will start the course all over again, with puppy ending up being over vaccinated at a stressful time in their lives.

Pups going before 10 weeks of age of without vaccinations, puppies destined to go after 10 weeks will have both.

Hi jean im not saying your wrong! but this is what i have regaurding worming pups with panacur.......

"administration Routine treatment of adult dogs and cats 1 ml Panacur 10% Liquid per 1 kg bodyweight as a single oral dose (= 100 mg fenbendazole/kg bodyweight). Practical dosage recommendations: 2 to 4 kg 4 ml 4 to 8 kg 8 ml 8 to 16 kg 16 ml 16 to 24 kg 24 ml 24 to 32 kg 32 ml 32 to 64 kg 64 ml For dogs weighing over 64 kg, an extra 10 ml are required for each additional 10 kg bodyweight. The dose should be mixed into feed, or administered by mouth directly after feeding. Treatment should be repeated when natural reinfection with parasitic worms occurs. Routine treatment of adult animals with minimal exposure to infection is advisable 2 to 4 times per year. More frequent treatment at 6 to 8 weekly intervals is advisable for dogs in kennels. Puppies and kittens under 6 months of age 0.5 ml Panacur 10% Liquid per kg bodyweight daily for 3 consecutive days given by mouth directly after feeding to unweaned animals or mixed with food for weaned animals (= 50 mg fenbendazole/kg bodyweight daily for 3 days). Practical dosage recommendations: Up to 1 kg 0.5 ml daily for 3 days 1 to 2 kg 1 ml daily for 3 days 2 to 4 kg 2 ml daily for 3 days 4 to 6 kg 3 ml daily for 3 days 6 to 8 kg 4 ml daily for 3 days 8 to 10 kg 5 ml daily for 3 days For puppies weighing over 10 kg, an extra 0.5 ml is required daily for each additional kg bodyweight. Puppies should be treated at 2 weeks of age, 5 weeks of age and again before leaving the breeder's premises. Treatment may also be required at 8 and 12 weeks of age. Thereafter, frequency of treatment can be reduced unless the pups remain in kennels where reinfection occurs more readily. Pregnant bitches 1 ml Panacur 10% Liquid per 4 kg bodyweight daily from day 40 of pregnancy continuously to 2 days post-whelping (approximately 25 days) (= 25 mg fenbendazole/kg bodyweight daily). Practical dosage recommendations: 4 kg 1 ml daily for approx. 25 days 8 kg 2 ml daily for approx. 25 days 12 kg 3 ml daily for approx. 25 days 20 kg 5 ml daily for approx. 25 days 40 kg 10 ml daily for approx. 25 days For bitches weighing over 40 kg, an extra 1 ml is required daily for each additional 4 kg bodyweight. As treatment of pregnant bitches is 98% effective, puppies from these bitches should themselves be treated with a three day course at 2 and 5 weeks of age. Pregnant queens Pregnant queens can be safely treated with Panacur but only require a single treatment at the routine adult dose rate. Administer 1 ml Panacur 10% Liquid per 1 kg bodyweight as a single dose (=100 mg fenbendazole/kg bodyweight). Increased dosing for specific infections For the treatment of clinical worm infestations in adult dogs and cats or Giardia spp. infections in dogs administer 1 ml Panacur 10% Liquid per 2 kg bodyweight daily for 3 consecutive days (= 50 mg fenbendazole/kg bodyweight daily for 3 days). For the control of lungworm Oslerus (Filaroides) osleri in dogs administer 1 ml Panacur 10% Liquid per 2 kg bodyweight for 7 consecutive days (= 50 mg fenbendazole/kg bodyweight daily for 7 days)."

***** given by mouth directly after feeding to unweaned animals or mixed with food for weaned animals (= 50 mg fenbendazole/kg bodyweight daily for 3 days). Practical dosage recommendations***********

this is why i said to give with food has advised by them.
xxxx

> i assume the Panacure will pass through mums milk so would babies get a double dose?
>
>

No, you would still worm mum for one day when giving the pups their 3 day course.  You are not "double dosing" and the reason I don't change pups to Drontal or Milbemax is simply because they have already been used to Panacur while in the bitches womb.

That makes sense.  Thanks

I was wondering whether to use milbemax instead but think will stick to panacure.

I'm now onto day 3 of my 21-23 day worming of the pups, with no problems other than a few disgruntled puppies!

Does mom need to be re-done?

I know others worm their bitch at the same time but as mine regularly are still cleaning all the solid waste from their pups at this age (so ingesting the wormer too) I do not. 

I worm them with the pups at the worming before they leave for the new homes along with the rest of the gang who were all last wormed when Mum came in season.

My nursing bitches would have been wormed in pregnancy to two days post whelping.