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- By rabid [gb] Date 01.02.11 13:17 UTC
Is anyone a member of the Pro Plan breeder club?

Do they still do good puppy packs?

And who can join, do you have to have a certain number of breeding bitches and all that shennanigans?

Thanks.
- By Reikiangel [gb] Date 01.02.11 13:31 UTC
i joined the other week.  They asked how many dogs/litters i might have.  They ask this as it might be suitable for you for some reason.  maybe they should make smaller packs.

To qualify for the puppy packs, you had to order a certain amount of food, from what i remember it wasn't too much.  The puppy pack doiesn't sound that great and i think you had to buy them (could be wrong there).  If you did, its wrong as your potentially giving them new trade.

Hope it helps.
- By white lilly [gb] Date 01.02.11 13:39 UTC
im with pro plan breder club ,you have to have your own affix now to join ,you get food to wean pups on and puppy packs have 3kg food (mine are large breed) a money off next bag and abit of info and a cup to measure food in ,it comes in a carrier bag for new family to take ,its ok i ad my contract to it and a bit more info about worming ,fleaing training stuff like that
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- By dogs a babe Date 01.02.11 14:06 UTC
rabid, if you are serious about moving away from AG and want to look at food companies who offer good puppy packs - take a look at fish4dogs

My latest puppy was weaned on this by his breeder, who highly recommends it, and they have great offers for new owners.

We each got very good puppy packs with food and treats, together with fish4dogs Puppy Club membership for reduced prices online.  Ideal if you want your new owners to continue buying the food you receommend for your puppies.  Additionally the breeder organised a bulk buy discount for her new owners to buy extra bags of food and treats at really low prices.  It saved me a fortune and if I hadn't already had to beg steal and borrow to get the funds to buy my boy I'd have bought even more!!

I should add that I really like this food, as does the puppy and my other dogs (who have it as a weekly fish meal alongside their raw diet)
- By rabid [gb] Date 01.02.11 20:19 UTC
I'll look at fish4dogs too.  My only concern is that it is mainly salmon and there was lots of press a while back about humans not being supposed to eat too much salmon due to the mercury content...??  Especially pregnant mothers...??  No idea if this applies to dogs as well, but I'd assume that mercury is not a good idea for them either.  No probs with feeding salmon occasionally but wouldn't want to feed it exclusively or a lot.
- By K9OURS [gb] Date 01.02.11 21:22 UTC
I joined Proplan breeder programme, contacted them to let them know hoe many puppies were born and what date.  Waited 10 days and received 10 large boxes each with 3kg bag og large breed puppy food, measuring cup and coupon for my puppy owners.  They also included 15kg bag of puppy food worth fifty pounds, oh and the pups love the food.
- By SharonM Date 01.02.11 23:24 UTC Edited 01.02.11 23:27 UTC
I'm with Proplan too, they send you a bag of food (15kgs) for pups to be weaned onto and a puppy pack with a small bag of food, cup and vouchers for new puppy owners to take home.

You just have to make sure you register the litter before they are 2 weeks of age, then log back into your account and register the owners details, if you don't they won't send you any more puppy packs for future litters.

I'm also registered with Eukanuba and Royal Canin,   Eukanuba now send out their puppy packs in a lovely tub with lid (bigger than the older model) a small bag of food, measuring cup, lots of info about the food and feeding and a £5 off money voucher.  Royal Canin has gone down hill with their packs, you just get a paper folder with a small booklet inside, with a voucher for a free 4kg bag of food and money off next purchase, but I like my pups to leave with a bag of food they have been weaned onto, shame they had to change it.
- By SharonM Date 01.02.11 23:29 UTC
https://www.proplan-breeder.co.uk/dog/default.aspx

You are eligible to join the Purina Puppy and/or Kitten Programme if:

You have one or more brood bitches or queens
You have at least one litter per year
You keep records and are happy to record New Owner details
You maintain registration with an appropriate body (e.g. Kennel Club)
- By JeanSW Date 01.02.11 23:34 UTC

> My only concern is that it is mainly salmon


?????  It isn't!  Well, only if you choose to buy the salmon!
- By rabid [gb] Date 01.02.11 23:49 UTC
SharonM that link is great, I have been stumbling around the Pro Plan site for ages trying to find a link to their breeder club with no success!

Jean, maybe it has changed - I only looked into it when it first came out and was largely salmon - I will check it out again now...
- By JeanSW Date 02.02.11 00:03 UTC
The "finest fish complete" is white fish and potato.
- By peanuts [gb] Date 02.02.11 00:09 UTC
I am a member of the Pro Plan breeder club and have found them brilliant, they have changed their terms of agreement which you had to agree to Nov 2010, i was late and spoke to them and they were very helpful and did it for me over the phone.

As Sharon says they do have rules ,one of them being you are not allowed to belong to any other breeder club otherwise you wil have your membership terminated.

Peanuts
- By white lilly [gb] Date 02.02.11 08:11 UTC
when i rang for a friend they said she couldnt join because she didnt hava affix ,has they changed alot regaurdeing how they did things in nov 2010
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- By rabid [gb] Date 02.02.11 11:34 UTC Edited 02.02.11 11:37 UTC
Well I have an affix, so that bit is ok.

Not sure I will be breeding a litter a year though :(

Still, I have applied and will see what they say.  I do want to give puppy buyers some actual food to take with them, not just a voucher - my breed can have quite large litters, with 10 not uncommon, and I don't want to have to buy 10 small bags of food, that would be quite an expense when raising a litter is already so expensive.
- By Emz77 [gb] Date 02.02.11 15:06 UTC
fish4dogs also do sardine (for the adults anyway) Mine use this and love it, dogs a babe is right the puppy packs are good and you also get given 15kg of free food when weaning the pups. all puppy packs from them are free too.
- By rabid [gb] Date 02.02.11 17:25 UTC
I joined Pro Plan :)
- By white lilly [gb] Date 02.02.11 19:25 UTC
Great :) :)
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- By sam Date 03.02.11 09:53 UTC
sharon i now give my owners the puppy pack (RC) before they get their pup and it gives them the chance to get their food with the voucher in advance of pups home coming
- By SharonM Date 03.02.11 09:55 UTC
I do too now, but at least before when they were given the bag of food, I knew they were getting the right food, we recently had an owner ring to ask if he should put his dog on adult food, when I asked what he had been feeding, he had, since day 1, been feeding food for GIANT breed....he has a cocker spaniel.  So for the first year he had been on the wrong food.
- By white lilly [gb] Date 03.02.11 10:31 UTC
:-O it makes me think! surley people arnt that thick are they??? even the 1st time i got my 1st pup it was on puppy food the breeder didnt even tell me what it was reared on or even gave me any food :( but back then she didnt come from a good breeder ,so went to pet shop told them what id got and they helped ,common sense i thought LOL
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- By SharonM Date 03.02.11 10:41 UTC
I had even written it down in the puppy pack, but they said when they took the voucher into Pets at Home, this is what the guy told them they had to buy, so from then on they just kept buying the same, they had had a cavalier previously, so just thought they needed different food as cockers are slightly bigger......but not giant....lol.
- By white lilly [gb] Date 03.02.11 10:42 UTC
it has made me laugh sharon! ;-)
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- By Trialist Date 04.02.11 22:29 UTC
Are you actually feeding Pro Plan to your bitch and is it what you plan to feed your pups?

Just a thought, as a good puppy pack (no matter how may small bags of food you might get for free) aint no good if it's not actually the food you're feeding Mum and her babes :-)
- By rabid [gb] Date 05.02.11 09:00 UTC
Er, yes.  I wouldn't have picked a food for a puppy pack that I wasn't happy to feed to mum and pups.

On the other hand, there are other foods I would have preferred above Pro Plan, had they made puppy packs (like Orijin).
- By WestCoast Date 05.02.11 09:14 UTC
, there are other foods I would have preferred above Pro Plan, had they made puppy packs (like Orijin).
I'd choose what I thought was the best food to rear my litter not the brand that gives the best puppy packs. :(
- By Pedlee Date 05.02.11 09:35 UTC
As far as I'm aware, by joining the Orijen Breeders Club you will get puppy packs (http://www.bernpetfoods.co.uk/acatalog/ORIJEN_Partner_Programme.html).
- By FreedomOfSpirit [gb] Date 05.02.11 10:01 UTC
Rabid - there are other foods I would have preferred above Pro Plan, had they made puppy packs (like Orijin).
WestCoast -I'd choose what I thought was the best food to rear my litter not the brand that gives the best puppy packs.


Me too... I create my own puppy packs and as I feed RAW I send all my little ones off with 10KG of chicken wings/green tripe chunks/whole wild rabbit mince/a whole wild rabbit/Lamb bones. I also put in my puppy contract that I advise RAW feeding for the life of the dog. I think its a small price to pay to try and ensure the best of health for their futures. 
- By rabid [gb] Date 05.02.11 10:49 UTC Edited 05.02.11 10:54 UTC
I don't believe that there is one food which is the most amazing food in the world, which I should feed come anything.  I currently feed my dogs on a wide range of different foods, switching as they finish a bag.  They enjoy the variety; I would not want to eat the same thing every day of my life, after all.  The brands include Arden Grange, Pro Plan, Symply, Orijin, Taste of the Wild and a few others.  I have no problems with puppy packs from any of these brands as my dogs do well on them and I think they are all good quality foods. 

Given that, I am going to pick one of them which provides free puppy packs (with food, not voucher) for my pups!  Raising a large litter is incredibly expensive already and I don't want to spend additional money purchasing food for each puppy. 

I emailed Orijin to enquire about a breeder club and was told they don't have one in the UK.  From that link, it looks like they do however - but - even if they did have one, it would have to provide free puppy packs (food) for me to be interested.  We are lucky enough to now have a wide range of good foods available in the UK - something which was not the case about 10 yrs ago.  Furthermore, I want to wean pups onto a food which new owners are likely to continue to feed and buy.  Orijin - although excellent - is very expensive and I can't see most new puppy owners wanting to continue with it. 

I do resent being criticised and feeling I have to explain my decision here!  I didn't ask for any advice on which food to feed, I only asked about the Pro Plan breeder club.  I've had my questions answered, for which I thank those who responded helpfully.
- By Pedlee Date 05.02.11 11:01 UTC Edited 05.02.11 11:06 UTC

> I emailed Orijin to enquire about a breeder club and was told they don't have one in the UK.  From that link, it looks like they do however - but - even if they did have one, it would have to provide free puppy packs (food) for me to be interested.


Just had a look at the details and it says: "Include in these starter packs for the new owners are an information pack, a FREE bag of ORIJEN food and a special discount voucher for £3.00 to be redeemed against their next purchase of ORIJEN."

Also the breeder will receive a £3.00 voucher for each voucher redeemed by the puppy owner.
- By rabid [gb] Date 05.02.11 11:29 UTC
Sounds good, but again I doubt that new owners will continue with Orijin, due to the price...
- By Brainless [gb] Date 05.02.11 11:54 UTC
My prefered brand of food no longer includes a small bag of food with their puppy pack. 

Now I have no problem with putting some food in a carrier bag, but  I have found people need to recognise the packaging.  They forget the name of the food they were supposed to buy (the food guide has been left at home with all the other paperwork) and they end up buying what catches their eye in the supermarket/pet shop, or what the Vet practise staff sell.

So I do mix the foods that I rear pups on (after all at 4 to 8 weeks I'm going through a 15kg bag a week).  This then gives the new owners a choice of which food to continue with, so hopefully after the food they go with runs out (normally enough for a month), they will continue with one of them.
- By WestCoast Date 05.02.11 12:10 UTC
I do exactly the same Brainless - I use 2 types of what I consider to be the best food which is also reasonably accessible to new owners.  I then buy a small bag of both and send home with each puppy.  The litter are also fed raw so that they are used to that too.

If you think that raising a large litter expensive Rabid, you should try raising a single puppy, when the cost of travelling twice, 200 miles each way to the stud dog, the stud fee, health testing, litter screening (same fee for one as up to 5 puppies!) and that puppy, although super quality, isn't the sex that you want to keep!  He then has a HUGE cost on his head and he's sold at a great loss - BUT he's been planned and reared with the best start that I can give him and will make a family happy for the next 14 years and hopefully do well in the ring too. :)

The expenses divided between a large litter is not expensive per puppy.
- By Trialist Date 05.02.11 15:30 UTC
Just a quick pointer ... are you aware of how rude your "Er, yes" has come across? I have posted trying to be helpful on this and indeed, some of your other posts. My post even clarified why I'd asked the question. So, there is no "er, yes" about it. If you do a search through CD for similar types of questions over the years, you will see that there have been a number of postings from people wishing to get 'good' puppy packs but without actually feeding, or even really wanting to endorse the food in the puppy packs.
- By rabid [gb] Date 05.02.11 15:48 UTC
'Er, yes' is not rude, but is expressing puzzlement about the unasked-for interrogation:

>Are you actually feeding Pro Plan to your bitch and is it what you plan to feed your pups?


>If you do a search through CD for similar types of questions over the years, you will see that there have been a number of postings from people wishing to get 'good' puppy packs but without actually feeding, or even really wanting to endorse the food in the puppy packs.


But I am me, not them.  It doesn't really seem to be giving people the benefit of the doubt, to assume the worst of them.  It's a bit like being considered guilty until proven innocent.  :(
- By Trialist Date 05.02.11 15:57 UTC
Just a thought - this is what I originally said after my question and went on to clarify why I'd asked the question.

about the unasked-for interrogation

Most definitely not an interrogation. Unless of course, any question is deemed to be an interrogation. I rarely assume the worst, just that "er, yes" still comes across as quite rude when it's responding to a question (not an interrogation).

We are obviously going to disagree on this one, and so I wont venture into further comment about it. I shall do my utmost not to interfere with any of your postings in the future, but should I forget and inadvertently post in the thought that I might be being helpful, then of course, do please forgive me :-)
- By rabid [gb] Date 05.02.11 17:21 UTC
Trialist, I have appreciated many of your previous posts, so I do hope you won't just ignore me in future. 

But I also would like to request and ask for the advice I need, before being given it.
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