Can a wife show a dog at a champ show if the husband is judging a  different breed on a different day?

No.

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@ Brainless..... Surely it depends who the dog is registered to?

Wasn't this the partly the case with the top winning gundog of recent years ...registered in Wife's name, Husband judged at many Ch Shows?

THink Sarah's right if they don't share an affix then yes they can.

as long as the dog isnt registered in the husband's name who is judging than it can be shown at the show.......but of course there is the spirit and letter of the "law" !!
Diane

but of course there is the spirit and letter of the "law" !!

Surely that would only come into effect if the husband was judging the breed that the wife was showing

As I understood it a wife or partenr could not show at a show someone was judging at.

Unfortunately the KC rule book does not have a clear "conflict of interest" stipulation, it seems to purposely avoid the topic.  So it leaves the way clear for not only a spouse to exhibit at the show their other half is judging at but also for family to go under an immediate family member judging.  And it happens, frequently.  Even more so in Ireland.  Ditto a judge having exhibits under them that are bred by their spouse in partnership with someone else as a co-breeder with a seperate affix to the one they share with their husband /wife.  In this day and age you would think they would pull their act together on judges ethics and have a conflict of interest clause similar to that of the AKC.

Don't see the problem of relatives exhibiting at a show in a different ring with a different breed - as for exhibiting under a close relative apart from that not being right I can't imagine why one would do such a thing.

I'm not sure what the KC rules say or mean because I have never had cause to look.

is it correct if ................................ wife is judging  in one ring and oh shows someone else's dog (different breed)  on same day?

I really don't know - can't see why not but there are loads of KC rules that I can't see the purpose of.

Wasnt there something some years ago when Pauline Gibbs judged a breed on a day & Marita showed in another ring?? I thought that there is a rule but not sure what it is...something about partners not exhibiting when partner judges(be that married or otherwise)

What about civil partnership? Many, many conflicts there too.
Its not uncommon to see a lap of honour because, despite winning through, they need to withdraw due to personal connections with the group judge.

> as for exhibiting under a close relative apart from that not being right I can't imagine why one would do such a thing

It does happen.  A judge has always without fail over the past 25 yrs awarded the CC (often both CC's) to their uncle regardless of what they have under them.  And also this judge's spouse does the same to this exhibitor.  It is just plain unethical.

Then why the hell does anyone enter under them - also it surprises me no one has bothered to but the facts and figures to the KC.

Still wonder what they get out of it - seems a silly game to me.

If you are sure of your facts then why not name the judge that should shake things up a bit but you may have to confirm your facts or you could be in court.

The KC are well aware as the said judge is a committee member!  Breed club is well aware but the said persons rule the breed club with an iron fist.  Need I say more.  And yes it does affect the entries.  People ridicule foreign countries for cheap champions, they should look at their own first before slating others!

Well they may be committee members but they are not likely to complain about themselves the people being effected will have to do that.

Breed club is well aware but the said persons rule the breed club with an iron fist.

Well why do the members not kick them off.

> Well they may be committee members but they are not likely to complain about themselves the people being effected will have to do that

Have complained to the KC many times and it has been ignored.

> Breed club is well aware but the said persons rule the breed club with an iron fist.
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> Well why do the members not kick them off

In the process of at moment after a long battle!  Many people have been afraid such is the grip on the breed here as they know they would never stand a chance in the ring if they stood up and voiced an objection.

If there is corruption within your club you, the members, must deal with it - but these two individuals can't make that much difference surely as between them they can only judge at CC level once every two years so there should be plenty of others judges to go under and win with a good dog.

If you get them removed from the club committee you can then get them removed from the judging list and that should end your trouble because no one else will dare try to do the same thing for years to come - I imagine that if a club complained to the KC with a list for the last say 15 years and the name of the CC winners and the relationship to the judge then they will act, complaints must be made by a number of people and accompanied by proof. They may have written to the judges concerned following the complaints made but they will say that was their opinion on the day, difficult to do much about that, you have to show it was their opinion on nearly every time they judge, no matter which dog.

> they can only judge at CC level once every two years so there should be plenty of others judges to go under and win with a good dog.
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Nope a judge can award CC's in a breed every 14 months, has happend to use twice in 3 years with 3 judges.  And each time the KC was questioned and they said it was within the allowed ruling and the time lapse between appointments for a breed was ultimately down to the organising show society.

> They may have written to the judges concerned following the complaints made but they will say that was their opinion on the day, difficult to do much about that, you have to show it was their opinion on nearly every time they judge, no matter which dog

Done - now 5 times and the KC still does not even have the courtesy to reply.  Yes some judges will put up the same kennel line regardless as that is their aesthetic choice and you have to accept that.  This is different though, how ethical is it to go under your immendiate family?  Would you go under your aunt or uncle, or even mother in law, and expect all your fellow exhibitors to ignore it?  Don't think so somehow.

I am at a loss to understand why your breed is supporting these judges, even if they are able to get appoints closer than most, societies will not engage them if they know there will not be an entry. It the results are a forgone conclusion giving an entry time after time is down right stupid.

My friend had to withdraw her dalmation from classes at our recent open show as the breeder whom she is in partnership on this dog was judging in the toy ring. This took quite a lot of reading of the rule book to find it but it was correct she was not allowed to enter, although she had entered and went in to her first class. She had to withdraw from the group and the puppy class as there were comlaints from one other person. This was a total mistake she did not know this was not allowed and she was very upset. Could be this is done at other shows quite honestly if not knowing the rules correctly.

> am at a loss to understand why your breed is supporting these judges

Most do not support them.  I have never entered under them in 30 years.  The only ones that do enter under them are ones with the family bred dogs, or one of their best buddies line.  This has been going on for years, even when we would average 90+ entries, they only draw mid 20's to 30 and all of those would be from just two affix / lines.  They get endless appointments though through the KC influence, and the fact they wield alot of power with show societies in another way which I will not disclose here at the moment. 

I do sometimes think the rules and practice involving who you can and can not show under are too tight and restrictive. Obviously you could not show under your OH or your children, parents, and I think it wrong to do show under anyone you have any kind of partnership with.

However sometimes the rules can lead to problems, you may agree to hold a persons dog in the challenge, not show it but hold it - now does that count as handling and therefore preclude the owner from showing under you for a year?

Have heard it said that you should not show under a friend now I don't know what relationship you have to have that makes someone a friend but in breeds of small numbers you, at the very least, will be on first name terms with everyone in the breed - you will know everyone who enters under you when and if you bother to look at the other end of the lead but most judges will be lost in concentration and be totally unaware. Don't believe that, well you try remembering the construction and movement details of any more than a couple of dogs and tell me you can also take in who is handling what, I could not but perhaps there are those who can or do not even consider judging the actual dogs but follow what happened a couple of shows ago, I have thought that some judging is of the follow my leader type but not sure it is because the judge is bent more likely lazy.