Hello I  currently have a litter of toy puppies (all sold so no advertising) that are 5 weeks old and a perfect woman who is taking home a boy keeps ringing asking when they will be ready. I have told them at 12 weeks assuming theyre ok to leave then. I am bottle feeding them, She keeps saying i will buy a bottle and milk and feed them, I have told her they need to stay with the bitch and littermates until 12 weeks.

SHE WONT GIVE IN.

I think I may tell her she isnt allowed one as I cant stand her ringing ever other day.
Its a shame as she was perfect before this.

You could try just pleasantly saying 'I've made my decision that 12 weeks is the age, and I'm afraid if you can't accept this you might be better looking for a puppy elsewhere, but either way please stop calling so often as I'm not changing my mind'. Or something similar. Point out that they need to stay with mum for socialisation until that age.

I would take this as a sign that either there is something psychologically strange going on for her, or that she is reluctant to take your advice and is pushy and thinks she knows best.

Either way, she wouldn't be getting one!

I would take this as a sign that either there is something psychologically strange going on for her, or that she is reluctant to take your advice and is pushy and thinks she knows best.

Either way, she wouldn't be getting one!

Exactly my thoughts Rabid.

Your pups...your rules.

KaneFizz....this one will be trouble....mark my words!!!!

If she keeps phoning to ask the same question NOW, imagine all the calls after she has the pup.........

>KaneFizz....this one will be trouble....mark my words!!!!

I agree politely make your excuses now, I didn't with one of my litters last year, even though I had been warned by other breeders not to let her have a pup and am now living to regret it!

Have you explained to her that toys develop much slower than other breeds, that it is crucial that the pup socialises with littermates and the Dam for it's own well-being and developement.

That a pup learns and gains confidence from their siblings from the simplest of things like learning to explore food, play, exploring the outside world and learning body language from siblings and the Dam. It's more fun to learn all those things in a group rather than alone and unsure.

SHE WONT GIVE IN.

Your in charge hun, your the one with the knowledge of your breed, the ladies done no homework on your breed that would really worry me, these are your pups, your in charge of their welfare and finally leaving you as well rounded youngsters ready for their new homes.

The lady is putting her needs before the pups welfare - not a good sign.

others are so right! i didnt listen to my gut feeling once and regreted it!! she will be a nightmare owner with the sounds of it!!
xxx

Loud alarm bells ringing here!!!! If she is manic about this, what else will she be odd about. They are YOUR pups, it is up to YOU to do what is best for them, not her thinking she can have it all her own way like a toddler stamping their feet.

You should be having a good relationship with her throughout the life of your pup, if there is strain now what hope is there?
Also IF she has done her research and is a suitable responsible owner then she should know that what is is asking does not have the welfare of the puppy in mind.

Good Luck, go with your gut feeling.  

I've learned from experience that if potential buyers won't listen to me before they have their puppy, then they sure ain't gonna to listen to me after they have him!  And I need my puppy owners to accept guidance to ensure that my puppy grows and develops as he should. :)

well shes not 'perfect' now! i would dump her and fast. anyone who does research knows most toys stay till 12 weeks, maybe not bigger ones like cavaliers but chi's, paps etc

me too rabid!

I would be walking away from this lady and explaining the reasons why.

Agree, we all want a caring and keen new owner for our puppies but she sounds a bit neurotic.  But may I ask why you aren't letting the pups go until they are 12 weeks?  Poodle puppies are usually really really ready to go by 8 weeks, my last lot were nearly 9 weeks by the time they went and really needed individual attention by that time.

>I would take this as a sign that either there is something psychologically strange going on for her, or that she is reluctant to take your advice and is pushy and thinks she knows best.

Either way, she wouldn't be getting one<

My thoughts exactly ..dont be concerned about changing your mind , I have done it a few time over the years ..I would worry everyday about this particular owner...not worth the hassle ...

> But may I ask why you aren't letting the pups go until they are 12 weeks?&nbsp; Poodle puppies are usually really really ready to go by 8 weeks,

I feel sure that this is not a litter of Toy Poodles.

However, there are some toy breeds, where the breed club does not recommend pups leaving this young.  12 weeks being the norm.

Oh just me being blonde!!!!!  I could have sworn the originial post said toy poodles now that I've re-read it I can see it clearly doesn't :)  I do know some breeds stay on longer but had never heard of it in poodles cos by 8 weeks they are usually wild and their mother wants rid of them by then ;)

I am not a breeder but a gree with the others the ladt doesnt seem to get it now I wouldbe worried for the pups future -yes she is not suitable
I have a pup booked for 2 or 3 months time (yessssss!!!!) so I know first hand the excitment but wouldnt dream of going against what the breeder has decided is right  for her pups. We even spoke about what she wants and my agreement to be guided by her

Id deffinatly tell her No she isnt having one...... She clearly hasnt got the pups best interest at heart only herselfs. Angers me when people dont listen to the breeders after all they know there pups best !!

Good luck hope it all pans out ok x

I wouldn't want the responsibility of hand rearing so fear she may have romantic idea of what it will be like!!

Have you actually met her? Yeah, yeah, silly question, but maybe not :-)

She may well be a raving loony, but there are a lot of people who have no concept of the dependancy of pups on Mum/breeder. Is she fully aware of the developmental stages of a young pup? Does she want a dog early that will grow to have no dog language, or does she want a well rounded puppy that has been well socialised, with all sorts of situations/beings? Maybe things she hasn't even considered.

If you have met her, has she been to see the pups? If not, maybe that's an idea - she can see at very first hand what's involved. It may just be that she's completely and utterly clueless.

I think I'd be direct and ask her what she knows about very young pups and why she's being so demanding, even to the point of telling her if she continues she's in danger of losing what it is she wants.

If you feel this women is a loony, then best not to home a puppy with her, only you know best!

If shes acting like this on the phone then Im not sure I would want her in my house to see the pups!!