Really really hope Mist is ok...you were quick to get her the help she needs.
Pleased the pups have taken to the bottle, whereabouts are you..I dont work and if you are in the Teesside area I am willing and able to help you anytime.

Fingers crossed for you all.  My neighbour has a large breed with four week old pups.  If it comes to that to help mist (think positive for now) i could ask her, she plenty of milk still at the moment.

I'm close enough to help out if needed.  I'm sure everything will be ok.

Keep talking your angels.

Oh my god Jo, just logged on and found out what you are going through.  I think this is always our worst nightmare when breeding isn't it?  Sending all positive thoughts in your direction, come on Mist you can do it!  As the other poster said, what area are you?

Jo am thinking of you and hope Mist is pulling through xxxxxx
Stay strong xxxx
Love Lea xxx

Is there any news yet does anyone know.

I really hope Mist is doing ok.

Hi we have some great news mist is home :) :) her blood count is the same so thats a massive thing!!! that means the bleed has stopped!!! vets siad she can feed the pups but i dont think she can to be far on her shes not eating and drinking so im letting them lie with her and im feeding them and putting them back as soon as she starts to eat and drink il tel her feed them thay are still suckleing so shes happy and we are very happy the pups are so greedy their drinking 2ounce every 2h lol and still want to feed from mum! their weeing and pooing but some not every feed are pooing but feel ok my god were has 5 days gone!!!
i carnt thank you all enough for your surport ive felt like im going insane with worry and to be able to talk to people that understand what im going though means the world to me! my hubby is great but hes been so worried for mist that i havnt been able to talk with him about it all but shes home and ok
thankyou from the bottem of my heart! xxx
jo xx

Oh no!!  I haven't checked in for a couple of days and had no idea things were going wrong. You can do it young lady!!  Look how much stress and strain you have been under recently and you have always managed to keep your girl and her pups the top priority!! You are stronger than you think and even though you are at your lowest right now this is when your love of your girl and pups will take over and pull out every last ounce of strength and determination you have. Everybody on here is rooting for you and supporting you. Keep in your mind that once the pups are weaned and strong and healthy you can have (and deserve) a mini-breakdown!!!!

well done on getting mist back home and well done you, your hubby and daughter on feeding those puppies.
The only way is up now...keep going, we are all here for you:)

Thank god, she turned the corner for you.

A few good pieces of rump steak should help her, lightly fried.  The things we do.  I'd let the pups still feed of her, at least every other meal.

Hope you got some rest. xx

Oh thats brill news, so pleased and fingers crossed she continues to improve now the bleed has stopped!  What a relief!

Raw red meat and plenty of fluids for her to make milk WL! 
Hope things look up now. :)

Oh thank goodness she's back home and on the mend!!

Wonderful news, so pleased for you!

Just caught up on this thread after the W/e.
Hope all is progressing well today. I am so sorry you have had such a distressing time. Hope Mist is feeling better now.
Huge {{{{Hugs}}}} and Berner cuddles coming your way, we are all keeping everything crossed for a great outcome. Keep up the good work and remember tired as you are in 10 days time if you are still hand feeding you can wean the pups so it's a very short time in the big scheme of things. Let Mist do as much as she can even her warmth and comfort will help the pups and she will recover quicker with her precious babies by her side.
Take care and don't loose hope.
Aileen xxx

great New WL...phew....

mist has been back for check up and she wagged her tail at the vet nurse :) but looked at the vet and turned round lol she had another blood test its up to 28 now vet siad it will soon get back to 40 he is so very pleased our fast she is starting to look better her scar is very clean her gums are nice and pink instead of white! the color has come back around her eyes shes even starting to look at us with a smile face she pulls LOL i carnt tell you how happy i am ,and she dont have to go back now till aweek tomorrow whooooopyyy!!!
hubby just gone to get her some steak shes only had a tin of puppy meat today, pups are with her we are all very happy im just toping up now till she drinks more and eats better im sure 4-5days mist will be doing it all herself and i can cat nap next to her "ahh bliss"
thanks guys xxxxxxx

That is just wonderful - brings tears to the eyes :) Hope all continues to improve.

thankyou :)
a quick question does the steak have to be frozen 1st ,cus hubby came back and gave it her before i had chance to say anythingxx

In theory yes, although much from supermarkets has already been frozen. :)

So she's eating then??  Mince will do as well as best steak WL!! :) :) :) :)

it was from butchers will she be ok ??? yes going to get a bag of frozen mince i think and make some balls up for her to eat ,she loved it lol
bloody hell hope the meat will be ok for her xx

Don't worry about things you can't do anything about!! :) :)  If she's not used to a raw diet, then keep feeding her the normal diet inbetween. :)

ok thanks but dont think she will ever eat her normal diet again after all this lovely meat lol and i dont blame her :) i will try her on natures diet puppy and see if she likes that to have as well  xx

Such good news, all the best to you all.

Woooo Hoooooo :) :) :)
So pleased you have her home and she is perking up :) :) :)
Lea xxx

> vet said she can still feed pups when she gets home is this right??? xxx <

I have had two bitches spayed at seme time as C section and both reared their pups fine.  Most recently May last year.

Depending on if she has had a temperature etc may mean her supply may not be what it should be so keep an eye and top up until she is back to normal.

Keep an extra eye on the pups nails.

:( Sorry to read about your bitch whitelilly. I know exactly how worried you must be and I've got my fingers x for your girl and the pups.  I'm glad you have managed to get some food into them.

I gave my bitch steak and liver to help build her up too.  Her milk ran dry before she was speyed and she was too tired to attempt to feed the pups.  I too was relieved I managed to get them to eat.

Hopefully now your bitch will go from strength to strength :)

Im sorry you and your girl have gone through this...thankfully she is on the mend and the pups are thriving..well done you:)

Haven't been able to reply until now. I am so pleased to hear that Mist is doing well, just the greatest news.

Hi alison today has brought changes she started peeing what looks like dark bloody stuff out :( shes just back from vets he thinks an infection just up inside her because she has nothing left inside her it was all taken away ,so now waiting for vet to ring to see if thr new AB's are ok while shes feeding! its 1 thing after anoughter :( shes not drinking much so i bloody hope her milk dont dry up now! xxx

Hi WL are you sure she is peeing it out or is she expelling it when she pees but from her vulva ..if that makes sense ..  my girl who we discussed before was expelling a discharge that was thick pale green gunk with blood in it the consistency ..only way to discribe it is glupy she had a very strong antibotic which made her milk dry up to clear it up .Why I mention it is because when she peed the slight straining to pee made her expell the discharge so it was difficult at first to know where it was coming from .

My bitch did bleed for  a few days after speying and our Vet said it was just old blood from the problem and it did clear up after about 3 days.

I gave her goats milk/water mix aswell to keep her hydrated :)

HI RONI
vet said it wasnt from inside because everything has gone and its all tied up ???? this is what hubby said i wasnt here lol i dont know ,when we watch her peeing it comes out 1st then its normal then she keeps trying to wee then little spots of blood vet said its a water infection god only knows roni shes got to go back tomorrow shes on noroclav 500mg 2times aday and hes going to put her on something eles as well for a water infection ,how long from your girl going on strong AB's did her milk dry up??? pups are a week old tomorrow but ive had to feed them a few times today has they were crying when she was feeding them so her milk could be drying up already :( she was starting to do so well yestaday eating and drinking you could ear pups drinking well from her but not today :(
will have to see what the night brings and then the vets tomorrow xxx

You are having quite a time of it. Hope the Vets sort this and things can calm down. Try to think positive though, she is still with you and it isn't many days since that it looked like touch and go. The pups will just have to be weaned as soon as possible. I would most certainly start them as near to two weeks as possible. Positive thoughts are coming your way.

Oh no I really hoped everything would be ok from now on, you don't deserve this grief! :-(

i know :( everything comes to test us thats for sure! xxxx

I have somehow managed to miss your post!
What an awful time you have had :(
I'm sure you are past the worst and it will get better from now on :)!!

Jo I'm sorry to see that Mist isn't out of the woods yet.  Glad though that pups are still hanging in there, because without you willing to feed them and help your girl out - well,, doesn't bear thinking about.  I'm thinking of you.

Jean  xx

I really wouldnt worry about having to hand rear as someone else has already said what a joy to still have your girl with you ...it was so obvious really early on that my girl had no milk so I began feeding the bottle right away but gave puppies to mum to still clean and even let the puppies suckle as this kept mum happy too , I tried everything to get milk production back but it just didnt happen ...mum did think she was feeding her puppies we just got into a good routine ..we only had half the amount of puppies as you so it will be harder and time consuming.
Cant remember which anti bio she was on but she had to have 2 courses before we saw a real improvement ..although mum was eating and drinking plenty which helped her to recover .

im so gratefull mum is still here with us :) :)
she hates me feeding them bless her i just wish she would drink but i carnt make her i want her to eat and drink more for her sake so she feels abit better ,she will get there i know she will and pups will be ok too :0) il do my very best for them thats all i can do xxxx

you are doing brilliantly she is just so lucky that you are so dedicated to your dogs ....its just one of those things that can happen to any one ....

Have you tried her with the lactol slightly warm or even very cold?

meant to add it does sound like a water infection ....hopefully it is as that will clear up pretty quickly with the right antibiotics..just keep an eye on her temp as I have a girl who has a tendency to urine infections I have  noticed she has a high temp along with it , which could also be why your girl wont drink...

she did have her temp took at the vets it was 39.4 she goes nuts now if i try to take it :( and i dont want to hurt her or feel so stressed shes been though so much!
yesterday she was drinking lactol warm she had about 2pints though out the day and water when she went intio the kitchen to go out the kitchen is cold and shes always only gone there to drink it even tho i have bowls alover the house lol ,but today she not drinking it just a lick and walks away, hopfully she will start different meds for it and feel alot better in 48h or so she has eat some tinned puppy meat cheese chicken not alot but better then nothing ,going to get some natures diet tomorrow fingers crossed she will eat it ,i know shes ill this is a girk that was eating lots of food inbetween whelping her babbies and drinking so much water ,she loves her food il know she better when she tucks in again! xxxx

Get a syringe preferably a large one  as she is a big breed and syringe water into her mouth. I had problems with a small dog I was fostering refusing to drink whe she had her puppies. At first it was a bit of a struggle but she son realised that it was quite pleasant and would drink from the syringe even if not from a bowl. It also helped me as I could see how much she was drinking.

ive tried this and she gets out of the bed and leaves her babbies :( i was thinking about  cranberry juice???? the low sugar one wonder if she would drink it but would it harm the pups when going though her milk??? shes just been out and she is now peeing alot of blood :( poor girl shes been thought enough now! she has just drank a small amont of milk (lactol and water) i carnt wait till shes back at the vets today and she gets differnt AB's xxx

HI Whitelilly.  If its any consolation, my last girl to be speyed kept "weeing" blood for a few days.  Hope the vet can help today. With my recent litter, my girl went on hunger strike. Organic goats milk, egg and water (with a little glucose powder) warmed slightly in the microwave really encouraged her to drink and at least she was getting some nutrients.  However, the only thing I found was that it gave her the "trots" if she had too much.  The only difference I suppose in that your girl doesn't want to eat because she isn't feeling well.  Lets hope they find antibiotics to help today.

I have found a spoon of honey in warmish water encourages them to drink :-)
Sorry for what you and Mist are going through x

how are things this morning WL ...?

Just logged in and very shocked to read what a dreadful time you have had. I did send a couple of messages on FB but guessing you haven't had a lot of time.
I am thinking of you and Mist and the pups and sending you a sackful of white feathers x x x x x x

doc has put her on metacam incase shes in pain from infection and baytril 200mg once a day plus the noroclav so time will tell how she goes ,
hi jane thankyou ((hugs)) i will get round to reading it and will talk with you soon thanks for the feathers hun!xxx
at 3 this morning  i was makeing water with alsorts in lol honey eggs glucose (not all together tho) will let you all know if she turns a corner later today or tomorrow xxxx

There is a recipe for a gruel that contains porridge oats, honey, milk, egg, glucose and puppy milk powder. My bitches love it after whelping and it gives them a boost. If you want the recipe to see if you can encourage to take more fluids, let me know.

Alison il give anything ago ,she is eating now tho :) its the fluid intake now thats the problem she just dont want to drink much at all she not drink in this room or in her whelping box (she will eat in there tho) the only place she will drink is from the bowl in the kitchen she goes out a good few times aday and night but only has a lick of water all her food she is eating is wet soft ie boiled chicken, tinned puppy meat, raw mince with socked and very wet puppy kibble, cheese from her whelping and haveing her op she hasnt lost alot of weight and i do think has pups drink from her she will eat more has she starts to feel better i think i will try glucose in her water again has i havnt gave her any for a few days and see if she will drink it just not sure how much to add per a pint of water ??? dont want to give her the runs.
xxxx