HI
Calling all experienced show people.Am new to showing and wondered if someone would tell me exactly what a puppy/dog needs to have won to qualify for crufts. ?What dates does the show year run from to qualify for crufts. Am finding it very confusing.
Thanks

It depends on the breed, but basically a dog needs to have been placed 1st, 2nd or 3rd at a 'qualifying' class (Minor Puppy, Puppy, Junior,  Post graduate, Limit, Open or Veteran; some years Yearling as well) at a Championship show.

I might be wrong but I think you can also qualify a puppy at an open show if it gets Best Puppy in Show?
Paula x

The last show to qualify is usually LKA in December. The show year for qualifying would begin from Boston in January up until LKA.

>I think you can also qualify a puppy at an open show if it gets Best Puppy in Show?

That might be only Premier Open shows, but I'm not certain.

ETA: No, you're right.  These were the qualifiers for 2011.

Aren't there BOB at Premier Open Shows too? 

And don't forget dogs who have a Stud Book number as well.  They are qualified for life.  You'll know when you get a win that gives you a Stud book Number as everyone will tell you!  It's a big moment!

The show year effectively runs from January to January.  For Crufts Qualification, your wins from the day after the Crufts closing date the previous year until the closing date for entry to this years Crufts (which is usually the first week on January) count.  So for Crufts 2011, any qualifying wins from January 8th 2010 to January 7th 2011 count.

Aren't there BOB at Premier Open Shows too? 
Only for certain breeds, typically the really popular ones with the most entries.

Also don't forget that if a breed has championship status (i.e. can get the title of champion) they it can only qualify at championship shows if CCS are on offer for the breed -which is far from all champshows for many breeds.

How do you get a Stud Book number??????

Depends on which breed you have & if that breed is in the stud book. This link will tell you:
http://www.thekennelclub.org.uk/item/2852

I just knew someone was gonna ask that!!! lol

Depending on what Stud Book Band you are in, then certain class placings or big prizes at Champ Shows will get you one, or gaining a Junior Warrant.  So it can be e.g.  1st, 2nd or 3rd in Open Class, 1st in Limit plus CC and RCC winners that get Stud Book numbers for certain breeds, or for others it can be 1st, 2nd or 3rd in Open or Limit pluss CC and RCC.   Numerically larger breeds tend to a) have more CC shows and b) be in higher Stud Book Bands - usually but not always.

Do you know you forget how confusing it all must seem for a novice.  I think we take it for granted how it all works, but then when you try and explain i to someone else form scratch you realise how complicated it sounds!

my lad is a GSP,he came 3rd in Junior at windsor champ show, and 3rd in Yearling at Richmond, both shows had CC's on offer

HI Thanks for the info
So have I understood this that to qualify a dog has to be placed 1st 2nd 3rd at a qualifying class in a championship show before the deadline for crufts entry closes. Do they only need to be placed 1st 2nd 3rd in only one show or more than one show?
Look forward to hearing
Thanks

>Do they only need to be placed 1st 2nd 3rd in only one show or more than one show?

Only one show is enough to qualify them for entry to Crufts.

HI
Thanks in that year how many wins does the dog need to qualify for crufts?

o thanks for prompt reply.
o only one placement of 1st 2nd or third in a champ show?
Thanks for explaining . That has helped it just seemed so much more complicated. Thanks again

>o only one placement of 1st 2nd or third in a champ show?

Yes, as long as it's in one of the qualifier classes.

and there are CC's on offer if the breed has champion status.

In GSP's stud book number can be achieved by obtaining CC, Rcc, Junior Warrent, 1st, 2nd, 3rd in open or 1st in Limit  OR at field trials by achieving a 1 - 4th place award or Certificate of Merit at novice, all age or open stakes. 

K

And of course if your dog qualifies TD, wins a ticket in obedience, agility this also gives the dog a stud book number, whatever its breed!

I am so amazed how easy it can be....say you were the only dog in your class then your more than likely to come 1st....so you have qualified!! it could even be your first ever show!

Easy? Try it in my breed with 25 or 30 in a puppy class!

Hi oh yes in some breed classes it is very hard:(

Minor puppy can qualify at Boston for Crufts the same year, ie if you got 1st 2nd or 3rd at Boston in Jan 2011, you would qualify for Crufts 2011.

Not according to the Boston Schedule.

"Wins at this show (in the required classes) qualify for dfs Crufts 2012!

and from the Crufts schedule: only wins between 8th January 2010 and 7th January 2011 are counted for qualifying purposes.

And, unless it has qualified for a stud book number a puppy cannot compete at Crufts until it is 8 months old.

And, unless it has qualified for a stud book number a puppy cannot compete at Crufts until it is 8 months old.

It would be impossible anyway, cannot be shown until 6 months old so cannot qualify until then and Crufts entries close 2 months before the show, hence  a puppy qualifying at 6 months would be 8 months by Crufts.

I beg to differ, I know of a GR, born June 07, which won minor puppy dog at Boston 08, his first show, then got best dog puppy at Crufts aged almost 9 months. Boston was on 05.01 that year, and Crufts 07.03.

Cocopop,

The dates for closing for Crufts have changed in the past year or 2, currently for Crufts 2011 the Boston show won't qualify you for it, only 2012.
It used to be the last show from when I first started showing, but now its appears to be the first.

My apologies,thanks for that Sue, didn't realise :-)

Just looked on Crufts website, it says this:

    If it has won any of the following prizes in a breed class (as defined in Kennel Club Regulations for the Definitions of Classes at Championship Shows) at a Championship Show, including Crufts, where Challenge Certificates were offered for the breed between 8 January 2010 and 7 January 2011.

Boston starts on 7th Jan, so a gundog getting 1st 2nd or 3rd in a qualifying class would qualify for Crufts, surely?

I asked at the KC stand today at LKA, he said in theory yes you would qualify for 2011 but should ask a member at Boston! so clear as mud!

> Easy? Try it in my breed with 25 or 30 in a puppy class!

Buy a St. Bernard!

Bit big for me, though beautiful to look at! :-D

>Buy a St. Bernard!

> I asked at the KC stand today at LKA, he said in theory yes you would qualify for 2011 but should ask a member at Boston! so clear as mud!

Think the KC may have dropped a bit of a brick here, if those in breeds with CCs on the first day can qualify for Crufts then surely those on the following day should be able to - they would have known the Boston dates so why not include all or none as it is it sorts of mucks up the qualifying for Crufts 2012 as well be cause by rights those qualifying at Boston on the first day will not be eligible from that Boston placing but those on the following days will be - as you say "as clear as mud"

As in most cases, surely it should be calculated from the First day of the show.

Sorry toolz, (getting a bit confused here), what should be calculated from the first day of which show? :-)

Think Toolz is thinking of the rules about age classes where if your dog becomes a junior after the first day of a show it can still be shown in puppy on the last day but I am not sure the same applies to the last date you can qualify for Crufts, one assumes the date stated in the schedule is the cut off date even if it does fall half way through a show that has CCs on offer. Another statement by me that is, I am sorry to say,  as clear as mud.

Oh no I didn't realise Graduate was not a qualifying class!
Is it better then to go straight to Post Grad from Junior?

Depends on how important entering Crufts is to you, anyway there are plenty of opportunities throughout the year and you may well have won out of Graduate by then and have to go into Post Grad so I would at least start the new year in Graduate and see how things go, if you are not placed in Graduate you are not likely to be in Post Grad so enjoy your showing and take a small step at a time, Crufts after all is just another champ show and you can't plan your whole year over trying to qualify for one champ show.

Good point. Tuppence has moved into Graduate and will be coming back out in Jan after her puppies and have entered her in Graduate at Manchester. You are right keeping her in Graduate will do for a while. I just didn't realise it wasn't a qualifying class. It's complicated!

You could put her in both depending on how she shows. If she gets bored after one class, stick with PG, but if she's the bouncy type who might need a class to settle down and move calmly, Graduate might work well as a 'practice' class.

Nice idea she does show better in her second class or after being walked for ten min before her first

In my breed last year at crufts there were only 2 puppies on show! with only 80 puppies a yr registered to KC UK some of the show results are a bit of a fluke but then in other breeds you could have 4 dogs in a class :(  I feel sorry for those who are in popular breeds in that respect - but at least they have a lot of studs etc. and a big gene pool to choose from

>then in other breeds you could have 4 dogs in a class

Only 4? In my breed we often have over 20 in a class, especially in the bitch classes. 15 in Puppy Bitch at Crufts, for example!

15 in Puppy Bitch would be smallish for us, 25 is more likely, and at Crufts perhaps over 30!

We too only have 2 or 3 in puppy at crufts and in many ways I'm thankful as after being in the group with my lad he was bored to tears after about 30 minutes, however it would also be nice to have that little bit more competition.