just finished talking to a friend. her dog a 13yr old Papillion has been killed by a S.B.T. words cant describe how sad I feel for her just now. Good thing is her other dog who was also ther and attacked is ok, although what phycological scarring he will be left with I dont know. The wee bitch didnt stand a chance, she was on the lead. I wish the dog had bitten my friend then it would have taken a diff slant. as it is the person (not the owner) that was with the dog will be charged with being in charge with a dangerous dog.  The owner wont get a thing. I know that they arent all the same but these dogs  are so powerful and in hands of someone that has no control of them are killing machines. these two should not have been of lead in a public place as the person that was meant to be in charge of them had no control. I may be a child next time. to hear what my friend went though ( and is going to relive for a long time) is so sad. she lost her 15yr old a few months ago and to loose this beutiful girl in such horrific circumstances is so sad.

I am so sorry to hear this. Your poor friend must be in a state if shock. It's very sad when your dog dies but to lose a dog in such tragic circumstances is beyond belief.
Thinking of you and your friend and also thinking of the surviving dog.

What can you say, it's just tragic. It could happen to any of us, with any dog attack, at any time at the park, if you meet the wrong dog with wrong owner.

I can understand the reaction I have from people with smaller dogs, when my big softy GSD goes by them, they are right to feel concerned, until they know that Duke is friendly, I can sometimes see a little concern in their face (not all but some people) until I reasure them he is Mr softy. Small dogs are so vunerable, I have only ever had GSDs so I don't fully understand that it must be a different kind of walk, when walking a tiny might. A big dog could hopefully defend itself, from death anyway, if not serious harm. Sometimes you see people pick their dogs up at the park, when there are a few larger dogs around, and you can understand them doing this if they have had bad experience with another dog at one time, at least then they could be saving their dogs life, even at the risk of being bitten themselves.

How would you get over that experience? I think it would put me off having another dog to be honest.
So sorry for your friend.

Tragic -it really brings a chill to my heart as I have Papillons myself. I know somebody whose Papillon was also killed whilst on the lead, that was by a Rottweiler. Unfortunately there is no part of the Dangerous Dogs Act which covers one dog injuring or killing another.  To be fair, any breed could do it, even a Labrador, (and the fact that a dog attacks another dog absolutely does not mean it will attack a child, the two are not related),  what it comes down to is irresponsible owners and there does seem to be a much larger percentage of irresponsible Staffie owners than of other breeds. Before we moved to a rural area where we never meet other dog walkers, I never dared to walk my Papillon (only had one then) without having a Malinois with me for protection. It's awful that anyone should have to think like that. My grandparents had a Papillon when I grew up (I was 2 when they got him and this is why I finally got the breed over 30 years later) and he was once grabbed, whilst on the lead, by a GSD who shook him and tossed him in the air -thankfully he did survive, but my grandfather never got over it and from that day onwards always carried a stick with him on walks that he referred to as the "Alsatian killer". I also remember a lady with Chihuahuas where I lived, more than 20 years ago, that always carried a walking stick and it wasn't to support her, it was to hit large dogs with as she had had bad experiences. So the long and the short of it is, it certainly does come down to irresponsible dog owners and it has been the same for many years -I just wish there was a way to control these owners.

thank you both. I agree this can happen with any breed.

I forgot to mention, apart from being on the lead. this wee dog was also in its own garden, it had just returned from  a walk.  people in the street will be terrified. I bet they are up in arms today to have the dogs removed from the street. they do not normally live there, I do not want to go into details, but they have only been living there a couple of weeks.

Oh so tragic I expect your friend will be reeling from this for quite a while.

So sorry to hear of your friends loss. Having had my dogs attacked, though the survived, always makes me cringe when I hear of attacks on other dogs. The fact that it was in her own garden only makes it worse. The law needs to change so that these people get the treatment due them.

Just a sad situation all round really.

My heart goes out to your friend and her surviving dog.  x

That is awful,I feel so sorry for your friend and my heart goes out to her.For it to happen in her own garden with her little dog on the lead just shows how totally irresponsible the staffies owner was,all too common nowadays.The number of dog on dog attacks sadly seems to be on the increase.

Last week a Staffy killed a little Westie in our area.  It was the second Westie to die like this, quite recently, though killed by different Staffs.  A dear friends gentle little Yorkie bitch was also killed by one of these dogs :(

I can only imagine how these poor owners must feel, what a horrendous way to lose a much loved dog.

I don't want to be contraversial and I really do feel for the owners of these dogs, but part of me feels sorry for the Staffy breed as well.  The ones I have known have been such loving gentle and loyal dogs, I feel so sorry that the breed is being demonised by the actions of some of the idiots who own them.  There seems to be something in the news all of the time regarding this breed as it was Rotts not so long ago.

Sadly there are idiots with this breed. In our local paper there is this article
http://www.southportvisiter.co.uk/southport-news/southport-southport-news/2010/10/15/churchtown-woman-whose-dogs-were-attacked-by-powerful-staffordshire-bull-terriers-has-spoken-out-101022-27473622/

So very sad, for all concerned, the pap and owner, the person with the staffy who maybe didn't realise what they'd got, the staffy who'd not, clearly, been owned by the perfect owner :-(  It is very concerning that lots of people who shouldn't have dogs are getting them - perhaps because of tightening of gun and knife legislation.  Others have them and don't socialise and that also causes problems.  I know what it's like...I have big dogs and little dogs and it's scary taking the smaller ones out...I do agility and daren't let my tiny dog off lead in the exercise area because you don't know what the others are like...I'd never let a pup run lose either of the bigger breeds... I had a scary incident where a dog came off a training course and grabbed one of my smaller dogs...owner mortified, no serious damage thankfully, but very sore and bruised where he'd grabbed her.... made me realise just how vulnerable the smaller dogs are, and mine are much bigger than lots of paps :-(

Sadly there are idiots with this breed. In our local paper there is this article
http://www.southportvisiter.co.uk/southport-news/southport-southport-news/2010/10/15/churchtown-woman-whose-dogs-were-attacked-by-powerful-staffordshire-bull-terriers-has-spoken-out-101022-27473622/

what really annoys me with this artical is it says the police have said they are taking no action, loose unattended dogs attacking someones pets in street- owner of pets injured and police take no action?  utterly unacceptable

certainly action should be taken at the very least for allowing dogs loose on a public road.  their advertised fines for that around here are up to £500 in own LA area and £1000 in the other (live on a council boundary).  Teh Road Traffic ACt at the very least is being flouted.

I believe that dog-to-dog attacks are covered by the Dogs Act 1871. I am sure I have heard of cases where there were charges under this law.

Now that may depend on the police knowing about its existence and not merely looking at the DDA, which does make no mention of dog-to-dog incidents (no need... as already covered by Dogs Act 1871!). Or, if I have understood correctly from the link below, it may have to be brought as a private charge.

http://www.doglaw.co.uk/legal/dangerous.php
has more information on The Dogs Act.

Section 2 DDA is normally something which the council DW deals with. But from what others have posted recently it seems to depend on the local council as to what their DW can or can't do. Nightmare.. If its was uniform across the whole board then it would be easy.

> Nightmare.. If its was uniform across the whole board then it would be easy.

That's it in a nutshell. I think I've already told of when I was hauled up under DDA Sec 3, for something that I have seen dismissed in other cases, as being on a lead was counted as being 'under control'.

It's not dog owners who need educating.... it's the police and other law enforcers and there needs to be a very clear interpretation of the current laws.
Otherwise it's a lottery.

Interestingly, I never heard from my local DW throughout this and I thought I might, as she had known my dog from a puppy, we were regular casual visitors to the council kennels and she chipped him at 11 months old.

http://www.watfordobserver.co.uk/news/8432175.Dog_mauled_to_death_in_Watford_Park/

This was my dogs half brother, attacked by a staff a couple of weeks ago.  He was such a gentle dog, he wouldnt have hurt a fly.  He was the centre of his owners lives, their world revolved around him.  Being a Setter he wasnt exactly a small dog but the attacking dog went through his ligaments.  There was a chance, I believe, through surgery he might have been able to walk again but he would have had to go through a very long recovery period and for a dog his age it wasnt fair so his owners did the kindest, but hardest thing for him and let him go :(

This is awful :-(

I have always been a strong supporter of Staffs as a breed, however it would "appear" that the number of responsible owners are in the decline :-(
I frequently see litters advertised where we are with no mention of the relevent health tests and advertised as good guard dogs (which actually isn't very true in my experience). As it seems impossible to monitor or control these "breeders" (I can think of other names I would like to use) then I would really like to see a change in the law to penalise the owners if they attack another animal or are running loose.

if all dog on dog attacks that lead to death were highlighted it would be surprising I think just how many there are.  myself I know of four, three by staffie, one by a lurcher. in my local area. there are obviously lots more that we hear about and read about.

utterly speechless

Please remove that awfull post.

*mouth agape*

have already reported it.
feeling low anyway and reading of that poor dog has reduced me to tears.

me too. I am not sure if it might be a wind up but even if it is then it is in very poor taste.

It's a bizarre first-ever post on the forum.

This is an awful post please delete it

I think someone needs to ask their parents to book them some sessions with a therapist as they clearly are  socio/psychopathic

Shocking, some strange people in the world with to much time on there hands and very vivid imaginations. 

Oliverholmes,

Just take a moment and try to put yourself in the original posters shoes- try to imagine how she is feeling and then read your post again.

Just too much information, at the wrong time. Perhaps you meant well, but your post makes you appear extraordinarily insensitive, on many levels.

Oliverholmes - what a nasty piece of work you are, and yes, that is my opinion

Is this idiot just trying to wind us all up? I'd take no notice of it.

From the way I read it it has to be a wind up!!!!
She has had the male dog since she was 2. 10 years on she still has him,
So that makes her remeber everything from about 3 years old and know what happened with dogs then. And she is still only 12. I DONT think so!!!!
Treat it for what it is, a Wind up.
Trip Trap Trip Trap
Lea xxx

lea i think you are right.  its some sick idiot out to cause distress.
mods please ban this nasty person & remove post. 

so pleased to see the other sensible posts, I thought that I was going mad reading that unbelievable post. absolutly totaly unbelievable!

Hi All,

Thanks to those of you who sent me a report, thank you,dealt with.
For those that do not know if you think something is offensive etc you need to send one of the moderators or admin a report rather than just posting on the thread. This enables us to deal with trolls etc more quickly.
Thanks,

Jeff.

Such a dreadful thing to happen to your poor friend and her dog , it is jhard to know whay to say to her.
Someone I know has just had her 10week old staff pup ,on a lead, randomly attacked  by a collie x while on its first walk in the park. It was touch and go for a few days , with serious wounds to its throat and chest and a broken leg, fortunately it seems this dog will pull through but already it is showing psycological problems, agression around dogs and people even while its on cage rest. I hate to think what its future is.
The owner of the dog that attacked showed no interest and just left.

there need to be a change in the law re dogs that attack & the owner/handlers.

I know somebody whose Papillon was also killed whilst on the lead, that was by a Rottweiler.

To be fair, any breed could do it, even a Labrador, (and the fact that a dog attacks another dog absolutely does not mean it will attack a child, the two are not relatated

Sorry I would not agree with this where Rotties are concerned.  Although I do not believe they are any more aggressive than any other dog it should be a known fact to all Rottie owners that they can be  aroused to the point of aggression by very high pitched noises.  Some are more noise sensitive than others.

This means other small animals that yelp and sqeal, babies that cry and small children that squeal and shriek in play are all at risk if a noise sensitive Rottie is about.