has anyone bought calf milk replacer (comes powdered in 20kg sacks) to use as pups are being weaned? I always use Lactol but as I am currently going through 5 pints a day and likely to double that soon, I thought calf replacer might be a little more economical. Anyone had any experience of it?

Hi Sam

I would not have thought it would be rich enough - why are you giving them milk, is their Mother not feeding them?

Christine

Christine
they are 3 weeks old now & I am starting to wean them. I always wean them onto solids mixed with milk, plus always give them milk for the 1st 6 months or so, so was just looking for a more economical way than Lactol...and easier than carrying raw fresh milk up from the bulk tank by the bucket load! I get my Lactol wholesale but its still pricey!

Hi

I raised my very first litter of labradors on Skinners puppy milk, this was recommended by my bitches breeder. It was very good. When Guide Dogs visited to view the pups they were 6 wks and there representitive(sp) thought they were at least 12 weeks old.
It cost about £22 for a really big tub. I don't know where you get it but someone must know.

Don't go with the calves milk...cows milk is for cows, goats milk for goats, pigs milk for piglets etc.........

Bitch replacement milk is the best for a puppy, I use Welpi as a daily drink for my pups right up until they are 6 months old, it gives them much needed fat for such a quick growing period. I was told for my breed that they need a good quality high fat diet as opposed to a high protein one. I'm happy with the way both Curtis & Mia have turned out. I find Welpi never causes diarrhoea like Lactol can from time to time.

Royal Canin also do a puppy milk and Dodson & Horrell.

thanks for the replies guys....but I didn't actually want to know if cows milk is good (or not)for pups....just whether anyone had tried dried replacer!!!!!
I have been rearing hound puppies on cows milk for many years.....so I am not about to stop doing so....just trying to find a slightly easier option than carrying buckets from the dairy to the house (quarter of a mile)

My hound pups have adlib access to milk until they reach about 6 months...that goes for all the hound pups I walk (foxhounds & mink hounds) as well. They all turn into thriving youngsters & its always apparent when they go back to the hunt kennels after walk,that the biggest best looking pups (condition wise) have come from dairy farms!!!

Hi sam

has anyone bought calf milk replacer (comes powdered in 20kg sacks)

No sam I haven’t as cow’s milk or any milk meant for cow’s offspring has to high a fat content for young puppies there digestive systems cannot handle it hence they are unable to break down the fats in the milk properly.
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thanks for the replies guys....but I didn't actually want to know if cows milk is good (or not)for pups....just whether anyone had tried dried replacer!!!!!
????Why would we try somethink that wasent good for our puppys?????
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(I always use Lactol )I am currently going through 5 pints a day
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I have been (rearing hound puppies on cows milk) for many years.....so I am not about to stop doing so....just trying to find a slightly easier option than carrying buckets from the dairy to the house (quarter of a mile)
?????????????Are you a little bit confused about what you are doing one minute you always use lactol for your pups then you always use cows milk,
Do you not know the difference between the two or is it just a case of you don’t know what you’re giving your pups.

& its always apparent when they go back to the hunt kennels after walk,that the biggest best looking pups (condition wise) have come from dairy farms!!!
Maybe your puppies are not getting enough exercise hence there the biggest or maybe there just unable to digest the fat in the cow’s milk and getting fat..
If you didn’t want to listen to what the other breeders on the Board have to say about the subject,Why did you bother posting and arsk for there veiws?

Ps my spelling and grammar is great thank you how about yours.
Sandy.

I realise that you are unable to comprehend my posting, so I will spell it out for you in a simple way that hopefully you can understand.

I top-up (unweaned) pups on Lactol. Once weaning starts I use Lactol for the 1st week,but once they are virtually weaned I change to fresh cows milk, (I like my pups to have adlib access to milk, plus use it to soak their puppy food in.) This usually amounts to about 10 pints a day.
living on a dairy farm thats no problem, other than the fact I have to carry several bucketfulls about quarter of a mile from the parlour (thats where we milk the cows!) to the cottage (where the puppies are). Are you still with me? Good.
Therefore I thought calf replacement (comes in powdered form in big sacks) might be easier than lugging buckets of milk about. Warm milk down my wellies is not nice!
Now I have cleared that up, I would suggest that not only do you have a limited spelling ability, but that you also know nothing about the rearing of hound pups, as, they do not go out on exercise whilst they are with puppy walkers....that comes once they have returned to kennels.
If there is anything else you wish me to explain for you then I am delighted to do so.

Are you sure that someone doesn't have access to your pc crosdob?
It seems like half of your posts (the earlier ones!) are written by someone who is desperately trying to give the impression that they cannot spell, then all of a sudden the spelling improves drastically. :rolleyes:

Sam & Dot,
The posting traits of this individual sound like an old not-friend of the board who supposedly appreciates dobes, has spelling inconsistencies and who is polite at first, then grows increasingly belligerent or troll-like. Best to just go ahead and ignore for the sake of holiday spirit ;) :) :D
Tchuss!!!!
toodles

Thanks Sara,
I had been watching their posts and had had suspicions about them so will now quite happily ignore them.:)
Dot

Hi Sandy (Crosdobs),
It's maybe not meant to but your post to Sam comes over as rather cutting and "in your face" for someone who's only been posting on CD for a couple of days.

Since you're so new to CD, I know you won't have any idea of how helpful Sam is to others but if you care to look at her profile you'll see she's a long standing member of CD and, especially since there are so few long standing members left, IMHO she should be treated with the respect she deserves.
Dot

Hi Sam

I used to give my pups milk but no longer do so. Humans are the only "animals" who drink milk after weaning, no other animals do so once weaning is over so if they have a balanced diet I don't feel it is necessary for them. JMHO

Christine

Hi dot
I really haven’t got anythink against anyone on cd board ok yes I may have been a bit sharp with my replied post to sam but wasn’t totally uncalled for was it as you should know if as you say you have been following my posts then you would have seen the first posts I have never talked to sam before and I do not know anythink about sam but on my first day of posting,
Sam decided she would slag me of for no reason I had not said a bad word about her come to that I had never even talked to her, To find myself getting an unprovoked nasty and bitchy attack from her, it was totally out of order I think there was 3 posts from Sam implying allsorts to these I never said a word back even thought she had really tried her hardest to humiliate me to her best. So just thought I would see how she liked it done to her and by her post take it she doesn’t,
She can not deny this as was viewed by lots of members what a nice welcome to get,
If you look at the times a lot of my post were done it was early hours of morning hence spelling not only was I uptight and really didn’t care about spelling but hadn’t sleepted for 48hrs due to birth of pups first time mum and wasn’t to careful for first few days so still just grabbing sleep as and when I can.
So the English dictionary has been the last thing on my mind,
You really can not tell me that you wouldn’t mind if this was done to you all my posts have been friendly.
care to look at her profile you'll see she's a long standing member of CD and, especially since there are so few long standing members left, IMHO she should be treated with the respect she deserves.Dot

I have always been brought up to believe that to get respect you must first show respect and as far as she should be treated with the respect she deserves.
I think she got what she deserved as if this is how long standing members behave well.
If Sam can not take a bit of critasime that very sad I don’t assume I know every think and I am always willing to listen to what others have to say because you never know what you might learn as far as I am concerned im not out to start a war or to cause problems on the board I had my pop back and its over and done with.
Sandy.

Dot
I have posted on cd before not that it is any ones business but mine but as I have nothink to hide or be ashamed of it was nearly two year ago now as I use to breed staffordshire bull terriers, and I never even had a disagreement back then if you would like you can have a word with mark and he might be able to track some of my past posts for you as a few members seem to be intent on making me out to be somethink I am not I have never had a bad word to say about anyone before now I closed my membership down before when I decided to go over to dobermanns ,
Of which I spent considerable time studying the breed standard researching history and looking into the background of the dobermann that I already had while I was showing the staffs my affix was pemrouge
So is that it now every one finished accusing me of doing thinks I haven’t done and don’t even know about any one else want to lay the blame on me so they can use me as there scape goat or punching bag,
If so thank you for the really nice welcome I have had back to the board,
Nice to talk to you again as well.lol
Sandy.

Hi I remeber you posting as pemrouge! It was about when I joined.

I may be just a tad prejudiced but Dobermanns as a so much better choice than SBT's :)

Christine

Hi Barbara
Glad you remember me as was begging to think I had stepped into the twilight zone for a min my god I can not remember the board being this nasty and cynical,
Is this how all new members are greeted these days by being accused, found guilty and sentenced with no trial let alone proof that they have done anythink wrong well what can I say,
Hi Christine
Not that there wont be a special place in my heart for the staffs I have been around the breed for along while now but the aggression that they show towards each other can just be that bit over the top, and I was really fed up with breaking up fights and treating puncher wounds, I already had a pet dobermann and was already attached to the breed.
So it was time for a change I have rehomed all except one of my staffs most have stayed in the family and the other two have gone with friends.
Sandy.

MMmmmmmm...thats nice.....palm off all your staffs when you have had enough of them, and get another breed. And you were asking for respect?

Hi Sandy

Disappointed to read that you have got rid of (5 ?) of one breed to get another - especially as I seem to remember you were defending SBT's and sayng they did not fight - things must have changed in the last few months.

How many Dobermanns do you have - and hope you realise that they are more than capable of fighting amongst each other and also incurring some large vet's bills.

Christine

To Kerioak
Gotta disagree with you there!!!! lol :-) We love our staffies but then we all love our own breeds. I also love my Dogues to bits too!! :-)

Vive le difference!!! :D we all have different tastes in dogs as everything else. It is why I find the what is the right breed for us questions difficult, and would never for a moment suggest my own breed, as they are ideal in my eyes, but not for everyone.

In another thread someone was asking which to have Dachs or Bassett, and I said that the choice for me would be obvious as I couldn't live with a drooly lippy breed of dog. Now someone else would find my breed and the shedding hair impossible to put up with, but then someone who was used to GED, Goldies or other double coated breeds would find them no different in theis respect.

I would never choose to own any Spaniel, though have looked after and liked quite a few, just couldn't live with one full time.

"I think there was (sic) three posts from sam, implying allsorts"

Oh really...well you show me where then???????

Hi Christine.

Hi Sandy

Disappointed to read that you have got rid of (5 ?) of one breed to get another - especially as I seem to remember you were defending SBT's and sayng they did not fight - things must have changed in the last few months.

How many Dobermanns do you have - and hope you realize that they are more than capable of fighting amongst each other and also incurring some large vet's bills.

Christine

No I had 5 I haven’t got rid of my staffs, But I did rehomed them what’s the differences you are asking I did not rush into rehomeing them It was done with time and they did not all go at the same time it was done over a period of time mum and dad have one and she’s very happily living in clacton in the new houses on the old butlins sight so she’s right next to the sea,
My brother and sister in law has my boy living with his family in Chelmsford mo has made a really good friend for his dog which is a he
Medium sized mongrel and they are now inseparable buddies,
The other girl is living two doors away from me with my friend and nabour and her male german shepherd they also getting on well and last but not least the other 10 mins away by car with another friend has fitted in well with her family family,
The other staff Billy is still here with me.
A lot of thought went into were and how would be best sooted for which home and were I thought they would be happiest,
This was not a sudden desertion but really thought about,
I would still stand up for the Stafford and defend the breed nothink has changed there if im right correct me other wise the post was about a very young litter fighting and it was not just play fighting and they had said that breeders had to split litters ect please don’t take is word for word as cant really remember all I have never had this problem with young pups yes I have had some fights amongst the adults.
One thing about the staff is they will not back down once they start and are lock jaws so what would start of, as a bickering now and again would get out of hand and if I didn’t intervene would of ended by the death of one. I had never had any problems with my staffs when out, they were a bit like this board seems to be getting if they were in the same place would rub each other up the wrong way then try and rip each other part .lol but seriously Christine it can be really frightening having two staffs locked together was there is no way you can part them you have to wait till they realize to get a better grip then grab them and pall apart before they get each other again.
I have my two adult dobermanns and the two youngsters, who I hope to show,
At the end of the day I would never do any think that would cause mental or physical harm to any of my dogs they all live in doors and are a large part of my family it wasn’t easy to give up on the staffs but I know they had good homes were I can visit as often as I like.
Sandy.

ps.i could have keept my staffs and put a couple out in my runs but i like my dogs in the house and i think there better of were there are then shoved outside arfter being used to a home life,
i only use the runs when ones in season.
sandy.

I'm not being critical here but the cows milk isnt pasturized etc if its straight from the dairy - couldnt this be harmful in young pups???