I can't really see the point in not being able to. They say its advertising but lets face it theres enough advertising around including the Champdogs website if you wanted to buy or sell a puppy.

is that why some people put"my breed"instead of "my shepherds",for instance?I did wonder,as i think its nice to know who s got what breed.im certainly not shy about my collies but then,i dont breed.or am i completely off the beam?

Think it's only when talking about litters not all the time

> They say its advertising but lets face it theres enough advertising around including the Champdogs website if you wanted to buy or sell a puppy. <IMG class=qButton title="Quote selected text" alt="Quote selected text" src="/images/mi_quote.gif" width=20 height=10>

But people would actually be searching for a puppy in that case.  This is a forum for exchange of information, not a puppy advertising forum.

This is part of the terms of service that you sign up to when joining the forum. It only applies when litters are being discussed and then if the breed is thought to be important to the question there is some leeway allowed. As you say the facility is available to advertise your litters on the main champdogs website however breeders then have to maintain certain standards that admin impose before that is allowed. A free for all on the forum is not responsible. IMHO

Do think it's a bit OTT at times especially when many of us have all pups to be sold anyway and we're definitely not advertising and never need to.  Plus now you can tell what breed they are most likely to be becaus of your avatar!

Do you know when I last had a litter?

Sorry my point being this site maintains certain standards we as a community(not talking about admin) do not encourage irresponsible breeding. Can you imagine the posts that would be just dropped in to advertise any breed or cross if adverts were allowed on here. Over the years we have had some interesting attempts to get round this. Would we be any better than certain sites that frequently get slated for the quality of the breeders and adverts on there.

Must say that some behavioural and health matters are or could be related to the breed and there is sometimes advice given that could be the opposite to helpful if applied to some breeds so I think it should be general that people do say what breed as the norm perhaps refraining when talking of a litter although even then I think the rule a little silly when some problems are breed related and blatant adverts could be removed along with the advertiser.

When the problem is breed specific then leeway is given Jackie

The OP has a breed that may well have issues but every thread that has been started the information required has been given by someone aware of the problems that the breed could face therefore the forum is working the way it was meant to sharing information from the experienced.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I only thought you couldn't discuss/mention your breed if you are planning, due or have a litter, as this would be advertising. But thought you could mention breed as far as any other topic is concerned?

No you are correct Sue.

I totally agree with not letting advertising on here I suppose I just naively thought that people wouldn't advertise but if you've had many try to do it before I can see your point. I suppose this is the world we live in where we can't trust no one.

Though it looks as if the OP has a litter on the way anyways if you look at other threads, and this is why your not allowed to mention breed as you could cross post etc, I don't think not mentioning the breed is a big problem as many of us know what each other keeps.

:-D Its an open forum thankfully anyone can post asking for help and advice, unfortunately it also means we do occasionally get problems be it advertising or someone just looking to cause a bit of friction.

Keeps me  entertained trying to guess the breed! This kept my single brain cell busy on the thread "mistaken Identity".

Sorry, I have to say I often mention my breed. Need I be more careful maybe?

also think if we could mention breed re breeding it could possibly bring in some shall we call them 'undesirables'

I prefer that breed names are not mentioned regularly.  I think it offers a very level field for the giving and receiving of information and enables the reader to consider the advice NOT the breed.  Otherwise I could see that someone wanting advice about their Chihuahua might think that feedback from a Rottweiler owner isn't relevant.

When breed specific advice is important then we are all free to give the breed or to ask the OP but it often isn't necessary.  Sometimes it's enough to mention the size or type of dog eg medium sized, wire coated terrier type mongrel, or gundog

I must confess I also don't want to see the kind of "Oops I've just advertised my litter!  Silly me" posts :)

> I must confess I also don't want to see the kind of "Oops I've just advertised my litter!&nbsp; Silly me" posts

Same here. (and BIG ditto to Satincollie and Starryeyes' comments)

Kanefizz: You've only been a member a couple of months, so you may not have yet have seen the bigger picture... In the 5 years I've been a member I've seen some absolute classics!! (which thankfully are reported by member or spotted by the Admin/Mod team and removed swiftly)
     Here's the rub for me; Do you remember the threads where new members post to detail the awful problems/sick dogs etc they  have due to purchasing from less than reputable producers of puppies? The vast majority of members here at Champdogs are a loyal following who take pride in the quality and sound reputation of the forum, how awful would it be if suddenly those threads of sick dogs etc where to include the wording "I saw these puppies advertised on Champdogs so thought they would be reputable...."
:-(
     And the good reputation of this forum and it's ethics are hard to find elsewhere in the UK dog forum world, For every penny I'd get for someone saying (on another forum) Champdogs is "pedantic, cliquey etc etc" I guarantee I'd get a fiver for every "Have you tried asking this question on Champdogs?" on the very same forum!!

Vive la difference and let us never drop our standards :-)

Feel it is a pity that people can't be trusted as there are threads where it is helpful to know the breed sometimes even on threads about problems with a whelp or a litter, some problems are more common in some breeds like inertia, hernia and malformed pallets.

Perhaps if there was not the feeling that breeds can't be mentioned at all it would help but some members seem to think they can ever mention their breed(s). I do wonder if your breed(s) can be mentioned in your profile, I often go to the members website to see what the breed is and then get side tracked and never do reply to their post. Some peoples username gives you an idea of the breed I doubt if Satincollie would be talking about a terrier but you are never sure.

But in the very rare instances that your taking about Nova,Personally I'd have thought more help and more benefit from a higher percentage of 'that breed' breeders would be found on 'that' breeds breedclub forum or specific 'that' breed forums??
     But I'm a believer that if you find yourself in that situation there is no substitute for a good breed mentor! <- of whom, what they don't know 'aint worth knowing ;-)
      I must confess on occasion to 'balking' at 'advice' folk (who don't have Sibes) have given to Siberian Husky newbies for example in threads where breed naming is permissible. So it's always a double edged sword ;-)
     In the main I think the forum does extremely well on breed specific and non breed specific generic problem solving/ advice! I'd be interested, however if you can give examples of threads where an OP has suffered due to not being able to name their breed??
I would imagine (after an admittedly very brief scan through the Breeding board and relying there after on memory - that this would be nominal? I've certainly found no evidence) But happy to stand corrected if the evidence is there....

Bad timing for the OP to bring this up just as they have a litter due...or I presume they do as whelping advice is also being sought.

Arguing a principle would perhaps be seen more sympathetically at another time.

> seen more sympathetically

Or Objectively ;-)

> Or Objectively

Exactement!

you sud be able to say wot breed your dog is

As has already been said, you only cant mention your breed when you are talking about litters etc.  I always mention my breed when asking a question, in majority of cases it does help when people know the breed ....... one of my breeds is on my avatar anyway, and if its problems with my kelpie I generally use the Kelpie forum (Kelpies are in a league of their own ;)  )

> Arguing a principle would perhaps be seen more sympathetically at another time.

Nope would still stand by what I have said. If anyone feels the breed is really relavent to the question there is always the option to pm admin and get them to ok the naming of the breed with regards  to a certain situations as has happened previously.

Jackie more than one collie breed would be correct

Satincollie and one or two others, have been correct in their replies so I will not repeat what has already been stated only to add: Many breeders pay a fee to maintain a website with Champdogs and to advertise their litters, stud dog etc. It would be grossly unfair to them to allow (free) litter adverts of any shape or form on this forum. If we allowed one, then before we knew it (and from past experience) the forum would be swamped and that inturn, detracts from all the other valuable questions and debates that appear on this forum. As stated, we have never stopped a breed being mentioned if it is relevant to the question being asked. The majority of the time it is not relevant and will be edited (or removed) accordingly.

Terms of Service:

"Posts which reference puppies for sale, proposed litters, adult dogs for sale, dogs for rehoming, rescue dogs and stud dogs for hire will be removed, even if posted in response to a question. Please reply privately to such queries.

It will be the sole discretion of Champdogs and it's moderators as to what constitutes an advertisement"

I've stayed out of this so far but as the person who has to moderate the Breeding board, I'd just like to say that this particular board is difficult enough without allowing a free-for-all where everyone can throw in as many mentions of their breed as they like when talking about their current/expected litters or stud dogs. In my experience, there are very, very few occasions when anyone needs to mention their breed to get the right advice - as others have said, in most cases, a description (toy, medium gundog etc) is enough but in rare cases where the breed is relevant, it will be allowed to be mentioned (the current thread about whether to breed from a high scoring GSD is an example). There are plenty of other "fluffier" pet forums where people chat non stop about their litters and freely mention their breeds (and intentionally or otherwise advertise their litters) but this forum has always been different with the focus more on the serious exchange of information - I hope it stays that way ;-)

I'm chuckling, because I can't tell what breed everyone has by their avatar, off to go and google dog breeds now, so I can appear a bit more educated. 

I think it's nice that the forum isn't littered (forgive the pun) with dropped adverts for pups, it goes on such a lot on other forums, thankfully, sometimes, it turns into a chance to educate people, and help stop unplanned or badly planned litters.  Other times, it just goes the same old way, and you never hear from them again :(

> I can't really see the point in not being able to.

There are several reasons why one should not mention thier breed when talking about litters etc. In view of these reasons (outlined by others), why do you think one should be able to mention the breed, bering in mind that if the breed is absoloutly relevent it may be permissable to name it?

> but this forum has always been different with the focus more on the serious exchange of information - I hope it stays that way ;-)

Which sets it apart IMHO, and I think a lot of members feel the same way. 

I don't think you should be allowed to mention your breed if you have a litter for sale... If you have a problem in the litter and was wondering if its common in that so breed then I think should be ok.

Rather then that I think this forum is more for information and having fun ect :-)

Yes I do have a litter due all of which are already spoken for I have only once ever advertised a litter and I did it on the advertising page. I was not asking to advertise I was simply saying about naming the breed when asking advice. As I have a small breed which can have difficult whelps and when I ask for advice alot of it is related to large breed dogs which often whelp easily. which at times can be irrelevent to small breed owners. I didn't know people have tried to advertise on here and now I now I understand and support the forum blocking breeds.

>I was simply saying about naming the breed when asking advice. As I have a small breed which can have difficult whelps and when I ask for advice alot of it is related to large breed dogs which often whelp easily.

As has already been said, there is absolutely nothing to stop you saying you have a toy or small breed - people do this all the time so that replies can be tailored accordingly.

Ok then thankyou for your help.