I had an email through the Champdogs contact link asking how to go about 'Studding' a Bedlington.

Gave advice about required health tests etc and explained that it is the owner of the bitch who decides whether to use a particular dog and some of the criteria.

Got a response complaining that the dog has been advertised on 'that' website but no takers and telling me to just tell people who are looking for a Bedlington Stud to look at the dog on 'that' website! :(

I politely pointed out that no-one I know would source a Stud dog from there and that if he has no interest it's perhaps because no-one wants to use him.  

Apparently I need to lose my snotty attitude!

sickens me the way some people see a dog and just have pound signs in their eyes :(

Luckily most of the contact I get is from people who are grateful to be pointed in the right direction regarding finding a healthy pup.

Sometimes it seems like we are all just banging our heads against the wall, doesn't it? I do hope that your girl does not feel she has missed out from this " wonderful opportunity!" :)

It would be funny if it wasn't so sad Dill! :(

Thing is as ive learned in all kinds of situations you have to just let it go over your head.some people cannot be advised even when its those asking!!!!

Do right by your own dogs and you'll sleep at night.other than that no more can be expected of you.
ive been told enough times over the phone and by e mail im snotty...who do you think you are.....are you a copper!!!!and my favorite was im the pot calling the kettle black i can have a litter but they cant.....erm well yes they can cos theyre determined but not from my dog you cant no!
And advising someone to neuter or spey OH MY GOODNESS!!!!

> sickens me the way some people see a dog and just have pound signs in their eyes

And they are amongst us even here.

I doubt there is a more abused breed than the Cavalier. It is rare indeed to see someone who doesnt want to breed from theirs - whatever it looks like, how little they consider the health of the breed and almost all seem to be bought with 'cash back' intentions.

My personal favourite reply (to advice given to such a enquiry)...... " You're sick you are - its just a dog" !

To be quite honest I think anyone who refers to using their dog as a stud as 'studding' their dog should be automatically banned from doing any such thing :-) so I would be even snottier than you Dill :-D . Let's hope everyone has the sense to keep ignoring him. Well done you for trying to give some decent advice though - some people hear what they want to hear!

> I doubt there is a more abused breed than the Cavalier. It is rare indeed to see someone who doesnt want to breed from theirs - whatever it looks like, how little they consider the health of the breed and almost all seem to be bought with 'cash back' intentions.
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I agree they are very very abused, far too many adverts advertising them on certain websites with "no breeding restrictions" however there are still many of us owners who just want to enjoy our dogs without a second thought about breeding

I doubt there is a more abused breed than the Cavalier. It is rare indeed to see someone who doesnt want to breed from theirs - whatever it looks like, how little they consider the health of the breed and almost all seem to be bought with 'cash back' intentions.

Indeed, I have been told any a time I was mad to not want to use Monty. You know his lines, very good ones, SM clear parents etc, nice looking dog -but I've now had him neutered! For my situation (and his sake), it was the very best choice.

> almost all seem to be bought with 'cash back' intentions.

Piggybanks, not pets. :(

>I do hope that your girl does not feel she has missed out from this " wonderful opportunity!"

ROFLAO

Boy am I stupid!

It never once occurred to me that they wanted ME to use their dog with MY bitch.   

We need a 'Homer' smiley :-D

Good job I kept my replies more general, they'd have been REALLY offended if I'd taken it as a personal request LOL

I can't understand where the idea came from that all these people can make money out of their pets.  I'm sure it wasn't always like this??  I can remember a lot of pedigree pet dogs when I was growing up,  but I can't remember anyone having pups, except accidental ones which went free to a good home

I'm sure it wasn't always like this??
No it wasn't Dill.  People realised that there is more to breeding that putting one pedigree dog to another and left it to people who knew what they were doing.  Now the world and his wife thinks that it's their right to breed from their dog. :(

I cringe when I read on here "I've checked the pedigrees" as though as long as there are no similar relatives, then it's OK! :(

> there are still many of us owners who just want to enjoy our dogs without a second thought about breeding

As I said a rare person - thank you.

I was asked the other night when my girls were having pups and theres lots of money to be made out of it.  When i said there isn't a lot of money to be made especially if you do it properly and did not have a house full of dogs to keep getting them knocked up.

His (my BiL) friend has a king charles and 'makes lots of money all the time'.  I asked if she health tested them and gave them proper care with everything they need.

Looking forward to all the money I'll make, not.  oh if it was that easy.

>I'm sure it wasn't always like this??
>No it wasn't Dill.  People realised that there is more to breeding that putting one pedigree dog to another and >left it to people who knew what they were doing.  Now the world and his wife thinks that it's their right to breed <from their dog.

So what happened?     When did the change in thinking take place and what caused it?    Does anyone know?

I only got into the showing and breeding side of things since having my Bedlingtons, was always interested in showing and some of the family dogs were shown a bit just for fun, but with the Bedlingtons I got sucked in.  So I wasn't really aware of attitudes changing.

I do remember with our AffieX a few people wanting to use him as he was a stunner, but money was never mentioned and as far as I was concerned there was no point.

I have 2 Mini Schnauzers - the male I have had from a puppy and is seven this month, the female is an ex-breeding bitch that was being rehomed as she was no use for breeding after a caesarian.

I can't beleive the number of people who have told me to breed from them to make money - they range in price from £500-£700 locally - and tempting as the money may sound I know from looking on here the costs and pitfalls that can arise from breeding. Plus having one puppy is bad enough - I don't know how people cope with half a dozen running round!

Despite people telling me I am mad, the bitch is being neutered today.

> Despite people telling me I am mad, the bitch is being neutered today

I don't think you are mad I think you are being very sensible!
The thought of breeding and losing a pet or just having the responsibility of finding good homes for the puppies is enough to stop me even considering it. I think to be a decent breeder you really have to know your stuff, be prepared to face the good with the bad and know your breed insode and out, that isn't for the average joe and is definately not for me I haven't got the dedication (and it isn't something I would "want" to do)

I may seem harsh but I can't tolerate people who just breed their family pets!

and tempting as the money may sound I know from looking on here the costs and pitfalls that can arise from breeding. Plus having one puppy is bad enough - I don't know how people cope with half a dozen running round!

People like that never seem to think of what can happen. I mated one of my bitches, 2 years after my last litter, and I had 12 buyers lined up well before the bitch was due to be mated. All still interested when the bitch came into season. Cutting a long story short I had to change the stud dog at the last moment, thought very little of it really as none of the buyers had said they particularly wanted a pup because of the sire. (The bitch is pretty well proven -from her last litters there are both 2 RCC winners and 2 dogs working as security dogs, one bitch competes in obedience etc so very versatile litter indeed.) Well I lost 11 of those buyers and was left with just one. I now have 9 puppies of a large breed that soon will be running around everywhere -and I certainly will not kennel them this time of year - and unless things pick up a lot soon, I am faced with the decision of possibly having to keep no less than SIX puppies.

So what happened?
To me Dill (and possibly only to me! ;) ) the whole ethos of this country has changed.  There is little community spirit (well there is where I live and that's one of the reasons that I live here!) there is little respect for other people and the general attitude is "I want to - so why shouldn't I?"  Few take responsibility for their actions in any area of their lives and expect everyother else to support them and sort out their problems. :(
Phew - I got that off my chest! :) :)

I'm sure it wasn't always like this??

Do we think perhaps that after being told by various people and TV shows the pups bred by "show people" and from quality dogs are bound to be mutants at worse and have bad health at best, has given an open invitation for those with pet dogs of indeterminate background to be bred as much as possible to fill the gap. I do.

I don't think the programme helped but I think the internet has a lot to answer for. The amount of advertising and also free ad places have increased.

The cost of a well bred dog isn't cheap and as the prices have increased then people have just jumped on the bandwagon.

Now if these places to advertise pups online were shut down then I reckon the puppies being born would soon drop, by I feel a huge margain..

The internet sites will not close down it is something to learn to live with, as for the prices in most breeds, pro rata, the cost has remained much the same compared to everything else.