Newfoundland x Poodle is the sire. Dam is Komondor.

Just about the worst coat combinations possible unleashed on the GP? I just hope the £450 asking price includes a matt breaker!

I found Doberman- poodle cross advert the other day LOL.

and it will probably like water !!!

Really don't know why people do this, both Newfoundland and Komondor if they have even a modicum of quality would make tones more than £450 if they were bred to their own breed so just what is the point. Also who in their right mind would allow their dog to be used in such a mating it is not as if a dog this size can pop behind the sofa and do the deed.

There are hardly any Kom's born each year, someone must have an idea who this silly woman is?
They probably own the sire too :-(

Lets hope people do a search on Kom's to see what they are, see the coat and go 'no thanks'.

I am disgusted at this cross....With only about 40 Komondor in the country this is unbelievable!! God help anyone who is stupid enough to purchase one, not only is the coat going to be a complete mess but Koms are not the easiest of dogs....Oh dear it doesn`t bare thinking about :(

edited to add....Sue it wont take long to find out who she/he is...... in the last 2 years there have only been 26 Koms born and we know where they all went ;)

When will all this madness stop?  What sort of person thinks up this sort of cross.

Someone who has no brain cells and doesn`t give a flying hoot about protecting a rare breed!!!!!

> in the last 2 years there have only been 26 Koms born and we know where they all went

Sad isn't it when you have a rare breed like this.. Same as a Bolognese, they aren't too popular either and there are crosses of these about now :-(

very sad yes...It makes my blood boil....and if they have only done it for money then that just proves how stupid they are...all they had to do was contact the breed club for a stud and they could have had a litter of puppies selling for double what they are asking for a mongrel and without the need for advertising on those vile free sites!!! We as a club have a waiting list of about 8 at the moment :(

> a Bolognese

I met 3 of these out for a walk the other day and they were georgeous ! The lady very kindly invited me round to meet all of her dogs , and you never know !

Yes what a waste of a bitches breeding potential in such a rare breed.  Males can mate hundreds of times, bitches have only a limited breeding potential so every litter should count.

This is one reason I really don't understand deliberate crossbreeding.  any litters my girls have should count for some good for the breeds gene pool.  I can only assume the purebred stock being used is not good enough to breed from as regards it's own breed.

>> a Bolognese

There is a cross chi poodle near me that could pass for one of these,s o why don't people simply get the proper breed, and they know what the pups will turn out like.

We have found out that the bitch is in fact litter sister to my boy and the people are PUPPY FARMERS and have an array of rare breed crosses for sale and horses at the moment :(

Who on earth sold a puppy to them ?

Heard of a Saint Bernard x Poodle the other day...

There is also a Basset X Poodle and Cocker X Poodle litter in the same area :(  Ad style is identical 

I've a feeling that these people are the same as also breed 'Doodles' and have several expensive x-breed litters advertised    (I won't be able to see until the ad has been active for 7 days - I'm not willing to PAY to read about puppy farmers.)

I can't believe how gullible some people are when it comes to buying a pup - the prices alone make me suspicious.   When is a purchaser going to take one of these Crossbreeding puppy farmers to Trading Standards?

it says in the advert it is a white kc reg komondor the dam
but they do not give an adress only in wales area but does have a name of the breeder

We know who and where they are....when they went to view the Komondor puppies they apparently seemed like the ideal people as they already had a Puli and knew all about the breed etc.......

white kc reg komondor the dam they obviously don`t know that much about the breed as they ONLY come in white.

The Komondor breeder has been informed but as usual nothing will or can be done :(

Yeah it is extremely annoying.  One person has crossed their SWD firstly with a Lab (supposedly an accident) and now a Poodle.  It annoys me so much how these idiots are capable of getting a rare breed and then do this.

I'd hate to know what the temperament will turn out like with this mix with the Komondor.

Unfortunately the same people advertising the Newf x`s also have a SWD for sale  :(

When I was at home in Sweden this summer I visited a friend I hadn't seen for years. She had a lovely 9 month old black and white Shih Tzu. Great dog, didn't look QUITE like a Shih Tzu but it was hard to tell as he had been clipped. Turned out to be because he was Shih Tzu cross Spanish Water Dog!!!

ive always wondered why people cross breed it must be just for money and they have the sire so they dont have to pay for a stud ...so sad!

> Heard of a Saint Bernard x Poodle the other day...

If thats the young puppy on the well known rescue website-she's gorgeous looking-but I was just trying to imagine the amount of grooming required(the mind boggles!) and how much we would have to charge if we had one in the salon.She sounds like a full time job for someone with lots of money! I hope the other pups in the litter found good homes with people who realise what huge commitments they have taken on.
Similarly the Newfie/Poodle/Komondor pups-not for the faint hearted as regards grooming.

The Komondor breeder has been informed but as usual nothing will or can be done

Isn't it a shame. What could be done about getting more legal grounding on contracts with the puppy buyers ?

Perhaps you could have a name and shame area which would show a blacklist on CD of known Puppy Farmers to help breeders to stay well clear of them. Legally is there anything wrong by saying do not sell your puppies to these people ?

i noticed a ridgeback x bloodhound for sale today.....and in talking to some complete moron last week, who told me shed had to "pas on" 2 labradors she couldnt train, and "pass on" an airedale (after it had been bred from!) she couldnt vcope with, she tells me shes now training a newfoundlan x GWP for dogging in on the shoot. I was speechless!

Why oh why do people so this? The mind boggles! However the at bernard/poodle x pup on the rescue website is gorgeous! The latest shocker I've seen recently is japanese shiba inu puppies for £75000! Major typo I think! Wonder if anyones made an enquiry! :-)

I've just been looking at the lost/missing dogs on this site and there are some weird crosses there, the first being a Staff x Weim... Mind does boggle sometimes.

But some dogs just from the temperament or coat that they have to me is beggers belief how they think it could ever possibly be a good idea.. I think one of the worst crosses I have seen is anything to do with an Akita, often mis sold as Huskies..:-(

ETA: There appears to be someone in the south east, a qualified behaviourist who sells Leo x Akita's...Clearly the words 'Lack' and 'Common Sense' come together very well..

staff x weime ?  God thats a terrible mix. poor puppies . will probably all be pts within 12 months :(

Isn't it a shame. What could be done about getting more legal grounding on contracts with the puppy buyers ?

It is a shame yes...So many breeds rare or not are being ruined because of selfish, money grabbing, unethical people and not to forget the brain dead morons that buy them.

*sighs* if only we lived in a perfect world where it was legal to shoot idiots!

Yes true !

What I do not understand and perhaps if somebody can explain please is why have contracts at all as I often see people say on here that the contracts are worthless and hold not legal standing so why do them at all ? Surely there must be a way of getting a legal contract drawn up to say that the goods are sold but must not be used for commercial gain eg churning out puppies ? If you can copywrite a book or a record then why can't you do something for the sale of dogs and the purpose of use ?

The one thing which contracts do uphold is endorsements. If signed and agreed by both parties then breeder can keep them on. If no contract signed covering endorsements then I understand there is a loop hole in getting them lifted whether breeder agrees or not..

Is the legally standing though as it is not law that endorsements are upheld so surely somebody could challenge this if they felt the desire to ?

> Is the legally standing though as it is not law that endorsements are upheld so surely somebody could challenge this if they felt the desire to ?

Indeed.  A friend of mine challenged the KC re: the endorsements on the bitch's pedigree (which she was fully aware of when she bought the bitch) and, after a bit ot wrangling, the KC sided with my friend and lifted the endorsements.

So what grounds did she get the endorsements lifted then ?

Well I came across a Staff x Greyhound on the beach yesterday... funny thing was it did look like a cross between these two. Still had to ask the owner though just to make sure...

Attractive dog but not a cross I would ever consider!!!

I find this a little worrying. Especially if a bitch/dog is sold and the new owner told in no uncertain terms that any endorsements will NOT be lifted, then I don't agree that the KC should ever lift in these circumstances.

I too wonder what the grounds would be for lifting them.

And I also agree that any puppy contract should be legally binding, because what the heck is the point of them anyway?? I'm just seeing my puppies off now, 3 so far, and all parties have signed contracts. I wish I could enforce what's in it, especially the "no spay until mature" clause.

>So what grounds did she get the endorsements lifted then ?

I really don't feel I can go into detail on a public forum.  Sorry.

That's fine, I understand :-) I am just really interested in knowing what the KC 's view on what they deem good enough reasons to lift endorsements :-)

Think the KC have a real problem with endorsements - the only sanctions they can enforce is to refuse to register the pups but on the other hand the KC will agree to register any pup providing that both parents are registered and of the same breed. So if the new owner has done the suggested health tests it must be hard for the KC to refuse to remove the endorsement unless the original breeder has notified them of a definite reason why the endorsement should never be lifted.

Those breeding cross-breeds will not be bothered because they will not be registering the pups so endorsement or not they can and will go ahead and breed the KC have no control over those outside the pure breed system what so ever.

Have to say I expect any pup I buy in to carry an endorsement against progeny being registered but I also expect that to be lifted providing the pup when mature is a good example of the breed and has had the health tests suggested by the breed club should I wish to use the bitch or dog for breeding.

As I understand it, please legal minds tell me if I am wrong.

I don't think it is that contracts aren't legally binding (other than what you can do with you own legal property) but that to enforce them you would have to take court action, costly and no surety of winning.

Mainly the contract will say what the purchase entailed, and what it does not.  this should be that the puppy was sold as a companion, healthy at time of sale, and as healthy as was possible for the breeder to predict based on health tests available for the parents for any known hereditary defects.

For example if you were foolish enough to sell a puppy as a show winner and breeding animal (as opposed to a companion with potential to be either of those), then if it did not develop and do as well as hoped for in the ring, or for some reason was unable to reproduce, or was unsuitable to do so then the buyers would quite rightly say they had a case against the breeder for selling them something 'not fit for purpose'.  Same thing if the puppy went onto develop a health issue, if that had been covered in the contract that all health tests had been done with good results and that is as far as any health guarantees go, then one would hope no reasonable judge would find against the breeder (though it has happened where an owner pleaded ignorance of the possibility of HD).

the only way a breeder could retain any legal hold over the actual ownership side is if the dog was loaned or leased to the new owner, or owned in partnership, and even then civil courts tend to look on who the dog has lived with been looked after by etc.

Many rescue centres retain the ownership of the animal yet are still powerless in any practical sense if the adopter gets rid of the animal to a third party moves etc.

So the return to breeder clauses are really only a statement of intent and responsibility by the breeder, a suggestion.

Well I came across a Staff x Greyhound on the beach yesterday... funny thing was it did look like a cross between these two. Still had to ask the owner though just to make sure...

Attractive dog but not a cross I would ever consider!!!

Bull lurchers are actually quite a common crossbreed these days, the sighthound rescues deal with a fair few and they generally have lovely temperaments. It's definitely a cross I would consider some time in the future. :-)

Vera

We recently moved to New Zealand & the mixes here are WORSE, there are very few full pedigree breeds around.
There are some very worrying mixes, loads of pitbull crosses, they have "pigdogs" that are used to hunt & hold wild pigs, these are hard dogs & i have nothing against these dogs as such but mixed with mastiff, pit bulls, rotties, & dogue's ...... The usual "Hard man/youths " seem to have them!
Equally in every petshop there are other mixes, patterdale x bichon, cocker x poodle......
There was a puppy patterdale x in the window displaying frustration techniques very well bless it & i just feel sorry for the jo public who walks in & buys it as it looks already to have learnt behavior & is going to be a handfull !
The mind boggles lol

There were Staffie x Danes for sale recently!

itsadogslife, that is is a very common 1st cross when establishing a line of working bull lurchers.

we have a bull lurcher too lurchergirl....fantastic dogs.

Earlier this year I saw a Beardie x Shar pei and the breeder owned both parents!

What a disaster.  How on earth could anyone dream of crossing a sharpei, with all the associated skin problems due to excess skin folds, with one of the most densely, long-haired breeds in existance!  Mad, sheer madness.  These pups were being advertised at £450 but the owners could end up with huge problems in skin and coat care. 

Patterdale x Shih Tzu in the paper yest at £400 each!!

What is a Bull lurcher? We had a lurcher when we were young, think she was Deerhound x, she could catch anything!!