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Topic Dog Boards / Health / my nurseing bitch keeps panting
- By daryl [gb] Date 06.10.10 05:07 UTC Edited 06.10.10 11:37 UTC
she has had her pups and i feed her puppy dry food with puppy meat and bone builder and i also give her lactol because the pups drain her milk and she keeps farting and when she drinks the lactol her belly rumbles loudly i took her to the vets they said she is fine and when she toilets sometimes its normal and other times its runny i also give her multy vitamins and evening primose oil and she dont lay with the pups as much as she was at frist she lays on th sofa and pants she is feeding the pups and they are gaining weight they are a week old now
- By bevb [gb] Date 06.10.10 11:14 UTC
Have her checked by the vet as she may be suffering from eclampsia which can become rapidly life threatening if left untreated.  Common signs are Restlessness, nervousness and  Panting the main sign. 
She will need an injection of calcium if this is the case and that will quickly bring her back to normal but speed is of the essence so don't leave it if suspected.
- By Brainless [gb] Date 06.10.10 11:29 UTC
A bitch may of course simply be panting as her womb contracts, being too warm for her (but pups need it) and when full of milk it makes them hot.

I am a bit worried by the amount of supplements you are using.

A bitch fed a good quality puppy complete food with some meat added should have no need of supplements.  Too much milk will make her loose, but often because of how much they need to eat (about 4 times normal), they will have less firm motions.

You should space her meals out to at least 4 or more a day, to make it easier on her digestive system.
- By daryl [gb] Date 06.10.10 17:01 UTC Edited 06.10.10 17:08 UTC
i stoped giveing her the lactol and she has stop the panting and farting i took her vets for eclampsia they said she is fine im feeding her wagg puppy dry and butchers meat puppy food mixed toghter with some bone supplement she has just thrown up tho this is the first time she has thrown up but she hasnt been drinking her water much and my girlfriend gave her some sausages that may be why she threw up she still eating tho and also is it normal for her not to be laying with her pups she does feed them but she dont lay with then they dont moan as i keep the room to a good tempture
- By Brainless [gb] Date 06.10.10 19:18 UTC
Your bitch needs to drink lots, and you should not be giving bone as calcium supplements are the ones along with VitD most likely to cause problems.

With cleaning that many puppies her mouth will get sore, and this is the reason I soak the food to a slop.

I don't think most people would consider Wagg a 'quality' food, but if your dogs do well on it?  There are far superior foods at similar prices.

Wagg Complete Puppy Food

Composition
Wheat, Meat Meal, Wheatfeed, Chicken Meat Meal (min 10% in chicken kibble), Maize Gluten, Poultry Fat, Maize, Digest, Vitamins & Minerals, Peas (min 4% in pea kibble), Linseed, Lucerne, Beet Pulp, Yeast (0.08%), Citrus Extract (0.03%), Yucca Extract (0.01%).

Analytical Constituents
Protein 28%, Fat Content 10%, Crude Fibre 3%, Crude Ash 8.5%, Omega 6, 1.8%, Omega 3, 0.4%.

With only a guarantee of 10% meat (the better proteins for body building, your growing puppies very quickly) in the food as compared to at least 40% in some of the better puppy foods.  Also with only 10% fat it will be rather low in energy, needed for the bitch to make milk.

Your adding tinned meat, which really is not much better than the cereal heavy dry.  A variety of proper meat as an additive would be better.
- By daryl [gb] Date 06.10.10 19:34 UTC
i was thinking about changeing her puupy dry food to harringtons which she normally eats and now they do puppy dry food here are the details of the puppy dry food Composition: Maize, Turkey Meal (min 14%), Rice (min 14%), Meat Meal, Porridge Oats, Poultry Fat, Digest, Beet Pulp, Linseed, Vitamins & Minerals, Kelp (0.2%), Yeast (0.1%), Citrus Extract (0.04%), Yucca Extract (0.01%).

Additives (per kg): Vitamins: Vitamin A (E672) 13,000 iu, Vitamin D3 (E671) 1,300 iu, Vitamin E (E307) 150 mg, Vitamin C (ascorbyl monophosphate) 40 mg. Trace Elements: E1 Iron (iron III ferric oxide) 100 mg, E2 Iodine (calcium iodate) 2 mg, E4 Copper (cupric sulphate pentahydrate) 10 mg, E5 Manganese (manganous oxide) 50 mg, E6 Zinc (zinc oxide) 40 mg, E6 Zinc (zinc chelate) 60 mg, E8 Selenium (sodium selenite) 0.1 mg. Antioxidant (contains tocopherol rich extracts - a natural antioxidant).

Analytical Constituents: Protein 28%, Fat Content 10%, Crude Fibre 3%, Crude Ash 8%, Omega 6, 1.7%, Omega 3, 0.4%.

and as for meat im thinking about getting her lambs heart what did you soak her food in.also what about giveing her cottage cheese.
- By Brainless [gb] Date 06.10.10 20:02 UTC
I would always go for a food that gives the amount of the meat in it (and it should feature first in the ingredient list), and it needs to be over 30% for a puppy food.

For example:
Arden Grange Puppy Junior
Ingredients

Fresh Chicken 18%, Chicken Meal* 18%, ..........
Typical Analysis

Protein 29%, Oil 18%, Fibre 3%, Ash 6%, Moisture 8%,  .........

Vitalin Puppy Plus
Prepared with 46% chicken
Ingredients:
Chicken Meat Meal, Rice, Corn, Chicken Oil, Oats, Herring, Dried Brewers Yeasts, Whole Dried Egg, Sugarbeet Pulp, Whole Linseed, Fish Oils, Vitamins & Minerals.
Analysis:
Protein 32%, Oil 20%, Ash 8.5%, ........

Skinner's Puppy & Junior
Ingredients
Chicken meat meal (30%),........
Typical analysis
Protein 27%
Oil 18%
Fibre 2.5% ......

Soak the dry with pletny fo water, hearts and cottage cheese are all fine in sensible amounts.
- By agilabs Date 06.10.10 21:49 UTC
If you are going to add meat to her diet (and I think that's a great idea) then how about cheap lamb mince, that should have a fair bit of fat in it which would help her. Heart is fine but is quite lean, dogs need fat for energy (think of it as a canine version of carbohydrate, they need it for energy) Breast of lamb is also pretty cheap and meaty. I don;t know if you've ever fed meat before but do not cook any bones she can have them raw but never cooked as cooking hardens them and they're more likely to splinter.

I agree that it doesn't sound like she's on the best food (I feed raw so don't know a lot about commercial foods) but I wouldn't change it too quickly or you'll probably upset her stomach. I think raw meat mixed in would probably be easier to tolerate than a sudden change of brand.
good luck with the pups, are you weighing them regularly so you can monitor growth?
I wouldn't worry about her leaving them if they are contented, could it be that the puppies area is a bit too hot for her to be comfortable in? 
- By FreedomOfSpirit [gb] Date 07.10.10 11:15 UTC
My dogs are Raw Fed too so would have already been on a Raw Meaty Bones diet before having the pups. Once pups arrive I leave food freely available for Mum in the form of raw wild rabbit mince for a quick "easy to eat" intake of nutrients.....and raw chicken carcass/quarters plus raw green tripe chunks. In a pack environment she would have the first choice of whatever she wanted from a kill. Whole raw fish from your local supermarket is also an easily obtainable source of fresh raw nutrients.  

Your girl needs to drink lots of cold clear fresh water...I always give mine one of those high sided plastic buckets so she can take a big drink of water and not just have to lap at the top of a shallower bowl. Always make sure it's fresh clean and cold.

I don't need to supplement on a Raw Diet..... but in this situation I'd go easy on the supplements too and avoid milk and dried foods. Rather focus on supplying your girl with as much Raw meat and bone in her diet.....in order to give her the essential nutrients she needs.....to produce the milk her babies need....
- By daryl [gb] Date 08.10.10 11:17 UTC
well i went out and got some lambs heart and lambs heart mince she wouldnt eat it raw so i had to cook it and i cut back on her supplements and what an improvment with her milk this morning thanks everyone for your help and advice i can stop worrying now
Topic Dog Boards / Health / my nurseing bitch keeps panting

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