My friend just phoned the KC to ask about about registration, they can't help her as the dog hasn't been transfered to her.  She needs to deal with the breeder.  My friend said that she was reluctant to do this as the kennels now appear to be a puppy farm from their website and were not helpful when she tried before.  The woman tutted and and said just because they have a website doesn't make them a puppy farm.  my friend said the pics on there do and they don't now register the dogs (stated on the site).

I expect it won't get looked into, even if its rule it out.  And we wonder why they keep getting away with it.

My friend phoned the kennels to get the same unhelpful woman and surprise surprise, he's on holiday again.  he was last time.  The woman was very unhelpful, even before she said what she wanted.  So got nowhere.

They appear to have changed some of the breeds they 'specialize in' including a sheedie/bf cross.  The dogs even look unhappy on the pics.

Its this type of idiot that should have tv programmes made about them to close them down.  could make a mini series of it, there's enough of them lol.

I'm off to console my poor friend now, it really upset her.

Hi Sunshine, not sure what you are asking, may be I am being thick (likely) but what are you hoping can be done?

Sorry, was a rant lol.

i suppose the fact that the kennel club dismissed someone saying someone could be a potential puppy farm.  I know you can't accuse but when they have pics up and i remember going there with her, we were very young.  There must have been 10 different breeds running around and a few in cages.

She's lucky she has a good dog from there.

I suppose maybe Miranda and Jamima should put their skills to good use and highlight these place.  Wonder if the RSPCA would be quick to offer comment.

Is she an accredited breeder? If not I don't see what the KC can do about it being a private club they have no control over persons outside their control. If you think something is wrong or worse then the council is the place to make a complaint. It is however possible to breed ethicly several different breeds and if the conditions of the kennels are up to standard then there is little they can do either.

We all advise people not to buy from such places but there is not a lot more we can do if no law is being broken the only way is to try and stop people buying.

Re-read the original post and I am a bit confused still, did your friend not get the paperwork when she collected the puppy and was it advertised as being KC registered? If she did get the paperwork she needs to sent it off to the KC and they will transfer the pup to her name.

As others mention, its hard to see what/if you are asking advice about.  If she was expecting to have Registration Documents for the puppy, she should have been contacting them at least weekly until she received them.

I cannot believe it has turned into a 'puppy farm' almost overnight.  People have to be responsible for purchasing puppies from an establishment/breeder they are not happy with.

Before I sell a puppy I always ask the potential new owner to be 100% sure about everything - including me as a breeder and my continued support in the future.  If you don't feel you will get this, don't buy a puppy - go to someone who you do trust/get on with.

Sorry to sound sharp, but we do have threads similar to these occasionally and people wonder why they're having problems when the ball must to some degree be in their court.

> Sorry to sound sharp, but we do have threads similar to these occasionally and people wonder why they're having problems when the ball must to some degree be in their court.

Yes I do find that abit sharp. I think buying a puppy for the majority of people is one of the most difficult things, they just don't realise the amount of research that needs to be done.  I realise that people need to be 'educated' to know what they should be looking but responsibility should fall on the breeder as well as the purchaser.

The kennel club can do nothing about a buyer not being given registration documents, or that they haven't been signed by the breeder to enable them to transfer the dog to her name.

It's like dealing with the DVLA, when you have an issue with the Car manufacturer, or the Garage that sold you the car.

The kennel Club are not a regulatory body.  If the breeder is a puppy farmer (perfectly legal though distasteful to true dog lovers) then they would have to have a breeding license issued by the council.  If you belive they do not then they need reporting to the Local authority.

There are rules that may be being broken that the council can choose to enforce, but more often they will simply isue a License and fien for not having one.

I did warn her off when she went to see the pup, however, she got lucky and had a good dog. 

When she collected the dog, he sent off the kc docs, she never recieved them.  We know the dogs registered, the kc confirmed it but wouldn't give her any info.  I'm sure its a case of waiting until he gets off holiday.  He can get the dogs reg number over the phone.

I was just ranting before.  My friend was so upset when she phoned it sounded horrendous.

I expect they have a licence for the kennels as they are a cattery, boarding kennels ect.  The website shows you pic of the pups in the cages and they don't look happy.  That's what incenced me.

She rang the kc so get the docs reissued, they won't send them to her, quite rightly.

I can't find the post that had a link to check if your dogs are registered to you on the kc site.  I think Brainless put it on a post.

http://www.the-kennel-club.org.uk/services/public/health/search/Default.aspx

This might be it.
Chris

I can't find the post that had a link to check if your dogs are registered to you on the kc site.  I think Brainless put it on a post.

That's the online litter registration, that's really what it is for. Once you have created an account it will show all dogs currently registered in your name.
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Thanks.  Couldn't find what i was looking for.

What are you looking for Sunshine, would think the pup is registered because the KC said they could not give your friend details not that is was not registered.

Hi no its registered on the KC and the breed site, i've seen all her ancestors and pedigree which I must say is excellent.  Which I think was lucky or maybe some responsible breeding.

I thought I might have been able to see what dogs were registered to him, the dog might still have been in his name.  Think it was Brainless said she can see if ownership hasn't been transfered from her to the new owner.  just covering all bases really, my friend could have misplaced the papers and forgot she recieved them.

I might make some calls to see if the pups available at the moment come with papers.

I understand I think you can only see what dogs are registered to you not those registered to other people. When you go on-line at the KC site in order to register a litter you have bred it will show you what is already registered to you but as far as I know not what is registered to someone else.

In order for you friend to transfer their puppy to themselves they need the registration document issued to the breeder and signed by that breeder, the rest of the transfer of ownership is filled in by your friend and sent to the KC who will transfer the ownership to your friend. Details of this transfer will be published in the BRS which is published quarterly.

> I understand I think you can only see what dogs are registered to you not those registered to other people.

That's quite right, you can only see the dogs in your own name if you have set up an account with the KC for on-line registration.

Thanks Nova and Brainless.

> Details of this transfer will be published in the BRS which is published quarterly.

Didn't know that.  What is the BRS, Breeder registration ????? maybe.

'Breed Records supplement'.

A publication of all registrations, health screening, transfers of ownership exports etc of all registered dogs in a given quarter.  Not sure of the price, but available from the kennel club.

Of course I feel this should all be available free on-line. ;)

In order for you friend to transfer their puppy to themselves they need the registration document issued to the breeder and signed by that breede

Alternatively just the reg number and the unique number whatever they call it, both printed on the reg cert, that enable you to transfer online. I did that with my last pup I bought in.

So no check is done with the breeder? Never transferred on line so I was not aware.

I would assume it is the same as when you register litters online, a letter is sent to the breeder/stud dog owner informing them and giving them the chance to refuse. But I don't know as I've not had a puppy buyer transfer a puppy I've bred online, yet.

No, no checks are made to the breeder.  I assume that because they have to have the unique code that gives you direct access to change the transfer of ownership online.

I did my last girl on line.  Can't remember my breeder saying that she was notified.  Will check with her.

Alternatively just the reg number and the unique number whatever they call it, both printed on the reg cert, that enable you to transfer online. I did that with my last pup I bought in

This is what i told my friend, he might be able to solve it with a phone call if he's a genuine breeder.  Or arrange to collect the reissued papers from him.  All should be well if he's not a puppy farmer, from his website, I would still say he was.  i know i can be wrong which i accept.  If its the same woman on the phone that was there years ago, the pups will have no love, she came across as nasty then.  How they sell pups when she answers the phone is beyond me.

All should be well if he's not a puppy farmer,  Even if it is a Puppy Farm they have registered the puppy so I can see no possible gain in refusing to hand over the paperwork.

If pup was advertised and paid for as KC reg but papers are not forthcoming would Trading Standards be worth a call?

Maybe, they have the original receipt.