the dog haS MOUNTED THE BITCH ON NUMEROUS OCCASSIONS
BUT HE DOES NOT SEEM ERECT
IS THERE ANYWAY TO BRING ON THE SITUATION! I HAVE TRIED helping him

There could be a whole host of reasons why your dog is not mating the bitch properly, his age, his experience, her rediness to name but a few. In my opinion you should not be doing that to your dog to get him to mate the bitch..it obviously is not helping(nor would it).

WELL I WAS TOLD THAT A HANDS ON APPROACH WAS ACCEPTABLE!
AND THE ADVICE WAS OFF HERE!
THE DOG IS 5
AND THE BITCH IS TWO!
SHE IS TEN DAYS IN AND IS MORE THAN READY FOR HIM !
I WANT HELP AND ADVICE ON THE WHOLE HOST OF REASONS AND , WOT COULD THESE WHOLE HOST OF REASONS BE?????????????????
I AM HERE LOOKING FOR HELP NOT TO BE TOLD OFF OR BE LOOKED DOWN UPON !
IF YOU HAVE ANY IDEAS OR SUGGESTIONS I WILL BE MORE THAN WILLING TO LISTEN!
AS I AM KEEN AND EAGER TO LEARN

Has your dog been used successfully before if not he is probably not going to perform, that could be for any number of reasons ranging from a physical disability to having been told off for mounting behaviour when young and many dogs will not mate a bitch they live with. He could just be too old to be used for the first time.

PS: please turn off your caps lock

sorry about the caps lock!
no he hasnt bean used before, he has never bean in contact with a bitch in season!
he is very eager but hes just not penetrating her!!!!   he has got alot keener in the last half hour or so!
he doesnt live with her either, she has stayed the nite, an d is here for the day!
he does have a bad hip from time to time but its not bothering him in the slightest, he is realy trying now but he is not erect as such!!!!
do u have any advice or tips to help the situation as we realy realy want him to sire a litter to hopefully have his offspring.......................thank you very much for your time and comment it is appreciated, also please excuse my spelling and grammer as it is not the best, sorry about the caps lock thing too.

She might not yet be ready, he won't be able to perform if she's not giving the right scent yet. Have you had her blood tested to check for ovulation.  As said before, he could just be inexperienced.

Try them together daily but don't force the issue until she looks a little more willing.

I take it you've tried stimulating him yourself.

What's wrong with the hip

id say the inexperience thing would be a factor yes......she is bleeding slightly and as i have said it is her 10/11 day in she is more than willing to have hgim shes crazy for him tail to the side.....its plain to see that... if shes not ready id say shes a big tart!!haha. please excuse me...havent had her blood tested no! not that involved its a freinds dog and we just thort wed give it a try!!!!!!!! she does look more than willing.......he has a little muscle loss in the back leg, and has a prutruding hip becuse of it i think its more his lower back than his hip i do apologise , im not sure wot the condition is called my partner knows but unfortunetley shes in work,, im on dog watch for the day!!1
his back/hip is not bothering him atall i can assure you or he wouldnt be doing wot hes doing.............................thankyou also for your comment do you have ant tips or advice for me and yes hes had some stimulatoin off me, a bit strange i must admit ! just hope he doesnt expect it all the time now haha

I know i nearly died when someone suggested i do that.  Luckily they did it and very clinically (thank god lol).

Yes she could be a tart and might not be fully ready, depends when she ovulates.  It could be a few more days.

If his hip is dysplasia (don't think its the right spelling) its not a good idea to use him.  maybe someone will be able to say if varying degrees make a difference from hip scores ( if relivant); can one counteract the other.  I don't know what other issues could indicate a no no for using him.  Is the bitch ok.

I would hazard it is either inexperience, or the bitch is not really ready yet.  (none of my bitches have ever been ready before about day 13, more often days 15 - 18, and one is not ready until days 18 - 22).  Has the bitch been progesterone tested or are you going by her behaviour with other bitches?  What days was her mother mated, as often bitches are similar to their female relatives (other times not).

From the time the bitch first shows willingness you have about 5 days so don't panic, you need to keep very clam around the boy.  Let him try, but if he is not getting anywhere gently take him away. and try in half an hour, so eh doesn't wear himself out for nothing.

A dog does not become erect until he is inside the bitch and the bulb swells and her muscles lock around to form the tie.  A Male dog is able to penetrate a bitch as he has a bone in his penis that allows him to.

There may be some confusion re the help you were giving, you certainly do not want to 'stimulate' the dog, but gently encourage him to be brave and get closer to the bitch.

Help can be given to aid aim or to make better contact.
In the first instance you can hold the bitch and fan out your other hand under the bitch in her groin around her vulva, you can then tell if he is aiming correctly, or has hit the mark and gently push the bitch back a little to help.

In the second instance it the dog has mounted, and hit the mark the second handler can give a little push from behind the male.

With a Maiden dog you may have to accept that he may not manage the mating this time around, but the practise will stand him in good stead.  You are more likely to be successful if his first bitch is an older experienced lady to show him what's what without getting upset or over excited herself.

> A dog does not become erect until he is inside the bitch and the bulb swells and her muscles lock around to form the tie.  A Male dog is able to penetrate a bitch as he has a bone in his penis that allows him to.
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I didn't know that, i thought it had to be errect to penitrate also.

Have both the dog and the bitch been hip scored with good results? Otherwise I'd worry a lot about using this dog.  You should always hip score before breeding and in this day and age, if puppies develop hip dysplasia as a result of the parents not having been tested, the buyers of the pups could sue the breeder. I had a dog once who didn't show any signs at all of HD until 6 years of age, he seemed perfectly normal until then, and when scored he had very, very severe HD indeed and it got much worse the older he got. If your dog has a dodgy hip or back that could also be the reason for his reluctance to mount properly.

yes the bitch is fine shes a little darling fit and healthy!!
i may give that another go then (stimulation)time to get the marigolds on he he, i will find out what the condition is now for you and try and get hold of my partner...........yes they can both counteract beach other very well....thank you also for your time and comments.................................................

What were their scores then? What did the vet reckon to the dog's hip or back?

thank you brainless that was of great help i am very thakfull of your comment(short novel) haha thank you very much=)

If you are being serious do not use gloves that will not help just a guiding hand is all that is needed apart from steadying the bitch, agree the dog may well think the bitch is not ready and will not do more than foreplay mounting.

Breeding should never be entered into casually.

Both dog and bitch at the very least should have been hip sored and eye tested and then had any other breed specific screening tests (we are not talking about a GP vet giving them a physical exam).

Then the reason for breeding should be a good one, are you wanting to continue a great line of breeding for work or show?  There are plenty of puppies from such reasoned litters that will go 'just for pets' once the primary aim of breeding the litter is satisfied.

Has the bitch owner the time facilities, not to mention money (about £2000) spare to rear the puppies.  Can they keep the puppies until they find the right homes (not just people willing to buy), this is often not until well after 8 weeks, especially if they are first time breeders with no connections or reputation to build up a waiting list of solid potential new owners (not impulse buyers).

Most importantly will they be able to take back into their homes any of the resulting puppies should the need arise at any time in the next possibly 15 years due to the pups owners change in circumstances necessitating re-homing.  Are you willing to do this too?

If not then they are potentially simply adding to the heaving numbers in rescue homes.

You say the pair complement each other, is that just your opinion or have they been examined by unbiased expert opinion (shown or worked).  How much do you know about each of their ancestors. 

It isn't just the parents traits good or bad that get passed on, which is why in depth research of the ancestors though seeing them or getting info on them through other means is required long before you allow dog and bitch to be chosen as mates.

as i have stated i do not know about the scores or the exact name of the condition, and im fairly sure it is not the one your refering to!!!!!!!!!!!!! my partner knows and she is in work and very busy all morning as she is a jockey ad will be riding out all morning!!!!!!!!
forgive me for not realising but i did not know i was on here to discuss that with you, and neither will i as it is none of your business and not the topic of disscussion, please do not side track the topic thankyou!!!!!!!!!!!

Don't think Marianne is worried about the mating pair more concerned with the result of such a mating. But that was not what you asked so we must trust that for the sake of yourself and any pups that you have that under control and concentrate on what you did ask which I think has been been covered.

Seems the last three posts have been made together and the thread looks like a battering ram, not the intention I am sure, just trying to make sure the best was being done for this hoped for litter.

>as i have stated i do not know about the scores or the exact name of the condition, and im fairly sure it is not the one your refering to!!!!!!!!!!!!! my partner knows and she is in work and very busy all morning as she is a jockey ad will be riding out all morning!!!!!!!!<br />forgive me for not realising but i did not know i was on here to discuss that with you, and neither will i as it is none of your business and not the topic of disscussion, please do not side track the topic thankyou!!!!!!!!!!!

Please remember this is a public forum and threads will be read by many more people than just yourself. People are trying to be helpful to you but you can't dictate what advice you get - you say you want to learn so it can't do any harm to read what other members are saying to you. After all, what could be more important than the health and welfare of any puppies that result from what you're trying to do?

This is not sidetracking the issue at all.  Breeding should be done responsibly as it effects not just the breeder, but the puppies and the lives of the new owners.  It's a huge responsibility.

Your are proposing to bring puppies into the world that will be sold to other people who hope to enjoy then as healthy happy companions with typical traits for the breed.

Loading the dice in favour of health (good temperament is a given) is essential.  You say your dog has a dodgy hip, a good reason not to use him if the issue could be passed on.

Hip scoring will tell you what the situation is,a nd if the dicky hip is the result of an injury the other hip should score well, and perhaps the dog could be safely used for breeding.

If one of the pups goes on to have a dicky hip the breeder if they have not scored or taken not of the scores of the breeding pair could e found negligent, and be ordered to recompense the pups owners.  Hip replacements cost in the £1000's.

yes they both have exceptional blood lines and we would sincerely like to carry this on perhaps i should have thought a bit more about that comment,, wot i was trying to acheive with that comment was that we do not know any other persons/person with boxers in this area and with stud fees being exceptionally high although money is not an issue we are trying to keep the cost of this to a minimum...................the pups if aquired will have every thing they need in there process of being healthy and looked after correctly, they both have exceptional traits and no bad habits and are the perfect example in there breeds......... and should any of the problems arrise(riseing to the challenge at hand that being his problem)that you have stated they will be more than willing to do so any also ourselves>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>and having alot of experience with the race horses finding exceptionally good homes after they are no longer wanted there will be no problem in vetting and assessing the potential owners of the pups.... all of the  the new owners of the  horses sold constantly keep in touch and inform my partner of there progress and well being as this is imperitive to my partner and i have no doubt it will be exactly the same for the pups............... i would mention the show names of the dogs but have been informed  i cannot do so on this site

the hip problem is caused from an injury >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>witch has not been passed on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Stud fees are not expensive in the grand scheme of things (says she who is taking ehr bitch abroad with costs of flying, pet travel scheme etc), certainly in boxers not more than the price of a well bred puppy, you cannot cut corners when breeding.

Both the Dogs will have needed to be Heart tested with a score of 0, if an exceptional animal then a 1 mated to a zero would be tolerable.

If neither of you know people in the breed you really re very poorly placed for doing the research that should go into the breeding.

You say they have great lines, how do you know this, how many of the dogs have you met and competed with?  Lines may be great but do you know how any lien works with another?  Some combinations may produce poor results.

The bitch is only just old enough to be bred from. 

The breeder and yourself would be far better off to put off a litter for anther year, join the breed clubs, attend shows and educational and health events (Clubs run heart testing days) run by the breed club.  After you have learnt more then you will be in a far better position to breed a well thought out, litter of potentially healthier puppies than just stabbing in the dark and crossing your fingers.

ok point taken. not sidetracking but an assumption that its  a hereditory condition ... had the question been asked i could have answered it........... had i wanted information on that i would have duely gone down the correct route on finding out about it as it is not an issue with either dog i do not need the information . i understand the concern and the actual issue with it. but am only looking for the advice on the mating scenario....... i do apoligise if i have caused offence as this was not my intention, there is no reason atall we are aware of that there are any underlying issues/problems other than the mating of the two dogs we are all fully aware of the consecquences and hereditory problems in breeding problems can occur with any breed of animal wether passed on or not but im sure every one is aware of that. thanks again for all of your comments they have been taken on board and are very usefull i appreciate also the time you have taken to comment and advise........thaks again been a great help!

Don't think Marianne is worried about the mating pair more concerned with the result of such a mating. But that was not what you asked so we must trust that for the sake of yourself and any pups that you have that under control and concentrate on what you did ask which I think has been been covered.

I also pointed out the reluctance to mate could have something to do with the dodgy hip if it hurts, and I think anyone contemplating to breed ought to be aware of the fact they can be sued by their puppy buyers if the pups end up with problems that could have been prevented.

there are no health problems other than stated!have the papers to prove so, every thing is fine heart back etc etc!
every one has an opinion!!stud fee of 300 quid or pick is a little much i think we have both animals and cun bypass that nescesity, we are not in it for the financial gain nor are we stabbing in the dark just have never encountered this problem  before.........we are very experieced with animals , and again i feel i am being underestimated, with people assuming that we know nothing!!!!! as is not the case i can assure you with the topic being the only problem that is all i need information on! we are more than capable of securing and providing the health care, love, attention,good home,and any other necessity that any animal in our care would ever need!!!!!!!!!! my partner more so than me she cares more about the animals in our life than me or herself!!!!

It does sound like you've thought it out.  Posts don't always come across in the manner as you intend them to.  Glad the dogs hip is nothing that's passable.  Have you tried the dogs breeders for help with the mating or advice off them, if you're still in touch.  They might offer help.

I think once the girls at her optimum they should mate with you watching or with assistance from you.  If nothing has happened in a few days i would take her for the progesterone test.  i had took mine first thing and had the results back the same day.  it can take some of the guess work and worry out of timing it.

When we first tried my girl, i was told the line's late ovulators, my observations were put down to enthusiasm, she missed and wasn't interested, the week before she would have humped the others in the house.  Second time i tested, it took two tests, you might only one to check she not gone over or just to know she's approaching.

as i have stated the problem has been caused by an INJURY and is not hereditory!!!!!!!!!!!! and he is in no pain with it at this moment in time and being his owner i would know if he was not only would it be physically noticeable but he would not be participating in the activities hes engageing in..................

funny you should say that about the breeders the dogs are from im just trying to get the details.......... i dont know where my beloved has put all the information . im waiting for a reply now, i think yes next time the test could be of great use if we dont have any luck this time!!!!!!!!!!!! it would be of great use...
i didnt realise id have to hold my own by coming on here i only wanted some advice didnt want to start off a debate on the well being of the animals and my capabilities in rearing and lookinkg after them, im sure even the most experienced of breeders get there fair share of problems witch they have no knowledge on  and have to find out about as with any business trade hobby or any affilliated subjects of anyones personal subjecttive circumstances................................

That may be so, but has he and the bitch been hip scored (the uninjured leg shodul still give a reasonable score and if the injured side is higher you will knwo why) to show you what his hips are like, this should be done for every dog before breedign and takes about a motnh to get the resutls back (the dog is x-rayed under GA or sedation and the fils sent off to the BVA panel).

Re Hearts have the bitch and dog been Heart scored, it is not enough that their parents may have been.

These are the Health tests boxers should have:
1) Hip scoring 2) Breed club - heart testing (aortic stenosis)

> im sure even the most experienced of breeders get there fair share of problems witch they have no knowledge on&nbsp;

Even with a lot of research one can be thrown a curve ball, but by researching and health testing and seeing what line A produces to line B a lot of the guess work, and risk can be minimised.

All this cannot be done in isolation, you need to connect and join in with the breed as a whole, that is the purpose of breed clubs.

Anything that can be done to stack the odds in favour of producing healthy dogs is vital.

Just a thought, have you checked both sets of registration papers to see that they do not have the endorsement 'Progeny no eligible for registration'.

This is often put on by good breeders to ensure the dogs are not bred from if they do not meet the required standard and are not health tested first. 

The breeder can remove this once the conditions are satisfied. 

Most first time breeders and stud dog owners would be relying on the breeder of their dogs to help and advise them as they will have more knowledge.

all his papers are up to scratch all stamped and approved by the kenel club,vets and breeders etc he also has an exceptionaly good heart for a boxer stated by the vet!

even if he or she had not any of the related papers eligibility hereditory conditions etc etc they would still have a litter,. end of .......... irressponsible or not!.   it would be our choice, as we want/would like his son or daughter to still be part of our lives long after he has gone! and any problems witch u take the risk of HAVING with ANY animal would be dealt with accordingly by US!and again thank you for the positive comments,uve been a help!

Having just read through this thread, I have to admit to there being some hostility on the OP's part.
To the OP let me say first that this site "Promotes Responsible Breeding" The people who are here care passionately about dogs and their welfare,that includes all aspects of breeding and rearing dogs. We are all 100% in favour of health testing of all breeding animals and only using dogs that have excellent health test results. Breeding from any dog that has not been tested/ been tested  but with bad results is a very serious issue and reflects badly on all the resposible breeders as well as the bad.
Your thread reads as you have little knowledge of breeding,want to do a friend a favour re stud fees and just generally think its a nice idea to mate your dog with the bitch down the road.
Now I am not "having a go" at you at all,simply stating the impression I got from your posts.
You became very defensive when health testing was mentioned,why? If the test results are good then why not tell everyone? You will find lots of threads on this site where OP's have told us the results with great pride and occasionally sadness as well.
As to any puppies that result from the planned mating,may I just add that it's not funny when a puppy that you have bought and loved is diagnosed with a major health defect that could have been prevented by the breeder only breeding from the best example available.It's heartbreaking and costly and in a number of cases certainly something that could have been avoided.
Listen and learn,people here are willing to share their knowledge with you

> all his papers are up to scratch all stamped and approved by the kenel club,vets and breeders etc he also has an exceptionaly good heart for a boxer stated by the vet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;

"Papers" and by that I will presume you mean pedigree and registration documents are not stamped and approved by The Kennel Club vets or breeders. And unless your vet is a heart specialist it is quite possible your vet is wrong.

> even if he or she had not any of the related papers eligibility hereditory conditions etc etc they would still have a litter,. end of .......... irressponsible or not!

Think that is a truely awful thing to say!! A nd what about the other possible puppies and their owners who may end up with a very poorly dog? What of them? Are you telling us you dont care?

> i tend not to judge or assume any thing about any one nor look down upon them when i clearly know nothing about them

That's why people are asking questions. :-) People here care passionately about dogs and their health and well-being.

As you are well aware, different breeds of dog require different specialist health tests (not an annual check by the local vet) before they should be bred from. This not only benefits the future puppies by making them less likely to suffer pain or avoidable ill-health in the future, it also protects the breeder and stud dog owner from expensive legal action if the puppies they're responsible for creating do have problems. Good breeders will also have endorsed their puppy's registrations to prevent them from being bred from until these tests have been done.

If the tests haven't been done, with a satisfactory result, of course! then it's far better not to proceed with a mating.

and yes every one here has persumed because im getting sick of the word assumed that none of this has been dealt with or taken into consideration, without prior asking and felt the need to tell me and inform me when i DID NOT ASK MY INITIAL QUESTION ON THEM SUBJECTS

>the hostility stems from people making assumptions of some one and a situation they know NOTHING ABOUT.

The easiest way to remedy that is to volunteer the necessary information. Then we can help. :-)

> as i have stated i do not know about the scores or the exact name of the condition, and im fairly sure it is not the one your refering to!!!!!!!!!!!!! my partner knows and she is in work and very busy all morning as she is a jockey ad will be riding out all morning!!!!!!!!<br />forgive me for not realising but i did not know i was on here to discuss that with you, and neither will i as it is none of your business and not the topic of disscussion, please do not side track the topic thankyou!!!!!!!!!!!
> Please remember this is a public forum and threads will be read by many more people than just yourself. People are trying to be helpful to you but you can't dictate what advice you get - you say you want to learn so it can't do any harm to read what other members are saying to you. After all, what could be more important than the health and welfare of any puppies that result from what you're trying to do?

Many thanks JaneS, I was only trying to help when I first replied & apart from having to go to work, I felt that my advice was not required :)

This thread has been edited to remove some of the OP's hostile comments. I am putting it back on the understanding that Daniel refrains from any further outbursts and on the basis the information may help other readers even if he does not need the advice members have taken the time to offer him. If it goes downhill again though, I will have to lock it.

Daniel

You said in an earlier thread AS I AM KEEN AND EAGER TO LEARN Please then let that eagerness channel to reading and learning what people are saying.

I for one agree with Marianne and do think that his hip injury is a major part to why he isn't 'performing' I have a Lab bitch who has severe HD and her willingness to do certain activites ( not mating I may add) compared to my other two health hipped girls is plain to see. HD or an injury to a hip will always place limitations to what a dog can or cannot do and it is normally self governing.

I would also urge you to think about continuing with the mating based on that you have no idea on any under lying health issues and passing that on to the prodgeny could result in both you and the bitches owners forking out alot of money for the possible vets fees you could ultimately be possibily liable for.

There is also the issue about how his behaviour may change after mating.

If you want a pup then why not go and reearch for a breeder who is experienced and knowledgable in boxers.That way you will be gaining their years of experience and will greatly reduce the risk of not having a fit, active healthy pup.

Have a look on the site as there are many good breeders you can contact and chat to. You could also see if you can get some of the lines your lad has to continue the line of breeding as well. :-)

having read through it although it doesnt make sense now, i  feel marrianneb started it by not asking if his hip/back was hereditory or the result of an injury by just assuming it was dysplasia had that comment bean a question i feel i would have not reacted the way i did, i do apologise sincerely but i also notice you have moved other peoples comments witch makes me feel better knowing it wasnt just me, thank you again for re-instating this thread.......................yours sincerely D.Webb.

keen and eager to learn y he is not penetrating her, nothing else ...the back hip it is from an injury nothing more,,,he is humping away quite happily,and ferociously his penis is just not comeing out and i only wish you had seen the comments that had been removed then i wouldnt have to explain myself all over again all i wanted  advice on was the problem of not penetrating the bitch he has no other underlying problems  so we would not even have to think about forking out so called vets fees ... im sorry but you have also missed the entire point and relative question as to y i was on here in the 1st place, i know also about the issue of how there behaviour changes after mating but again that was not my initial question.,why is everyone straying off my initial question and foraging into matters that i have knowledge in...thaks all the same but why he was not penetrating her was all i wanted and needed to know...........

> .,why is everyone straying off my initial question and foraging into matters that i have knowledge in...thaks all the same but why he was not penetrating her was all i wanted and needed to know...........<

Because, at the end of 63 days, if you do succeed in getting a mating and the bitch is pregnant, you will find yourselves with a bitch whelping and it would appear that you do not have a mentor/experience in whelping - and you could well find yourselves having even more problems than those you appear to be facing at the moment.

Unless we ask questions, we cannot give good sensible advice.   Your post about your boy's hip rang warning bells amongst so many of us ....it isn't clear whether you are aware of the problems with hip dysplasia or not.   It isn't clear whether you are aware of the responsibilities that you, as the breeder, would have to purchasers of any puppies resulting from this mating if they appear to have hereditary hip problems - or the heart problems to which your breed is susceptible.  

At the very least, I suggest that you look at the Breed Society's requirements for health testing and buy a copy of The Book of the Bitch - you are going to need it.

Hi Daniel

I don't think I have missed the point you seem to be missing the many points people are very willing to offer on the subject of breeding as there are right ways and wrong ways of going about things. This a site based on ethical and good breding practices and if you are not willing to listen or learn then so then you take the risk which i wish you good luck as you will need it.

You seem to have a very closed mind on the overall subject of breeding which is a great shame.

whelping is common with any female animal including your self as dogs are fairly similar to humans in there ways as they have bean humanised over the years, if im still on this site then she may pick up on the tension and anxiety , but im sure we''l manage to keep her calm and relaxed whilst she is whelping hopefully a good run around the garden will sort  her out, she will already be used to her whelping box by then hopfully and will be completely relaxed,, hope that appears to answer your question...   and again many of the comments have been removed unfortunatly,again when he was checked he was quoted on having an exceptionaly healthy heart for a boxer,and had i bean asked not dictated to i would of quite happily informed that his back/hip was the result of a injury,,, problems??????? problem! not entering the bitch! both dogs are fit and healthy and are very well with none of the problems you are all assuming we have

> both dogs are fit and healthy and are very well with none of the problems you are all assuming we have

So have you experience of whelping and reaing a litter of puppies? I ask this as regarding the mating process you do appear to have very limited knowledge,and I do find it odd that you claim to have knowledge of breeding but none of mating.

Which is why you have been asked a number of questions. Indeed you have not answered any of the questions that I have asked you and I asked quite politely by the way.

I have not "assumed" that your dogs have any health issues,again I have asked you simple questions which you have ignored.

And what's the betting, that we have "help us" posts in around 60 days time???????

Mods ...do you think that the breed should be removed from this thread .....just in case ;)

>whelping is common with any female animal including your self

So are whelping complications, and even death in childbirth. 'Natural' doesn't equate to 'safe'. Bitches are generally much healthier without ever having a litter; it's something we put them through for our benefit, not theirs, so there has to be a very, very good reason for risking them.

Sorry but to be certain of heart tested clear status you need to have your Boxers hearts tested and graded by a vet that specialises in cardiology. If both test clear then excellent - they then get certification and also to go on the heart test clear list on the web for all to see.

To read about it more suggest you go to the Boxer breed council's website
[url=]www.boxerbreedcouncil.co.uk[/url]Click on health and then as button.

It's also important to check out the BCM button too and see if your dogs have any lineage that go
back to dogs that can be transmitting Cardiomyopathy. As if both do and they are close up (1-3rd generations)
you will be increasing the risk of producing pups with this problem.

I would also echo the other posters regarding your boy's hips.
Even thou his hip problems may well be caused by injury rather than hereditary problems
it may still cause him great pain to try and mate a bitch, which is perhaps why he is having problems.
This is probably not what you wanted to hear but you have to be aware and open to peoples opinions
of what may be causing the 'problem'.