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- By earl [gb] Date 07.09.10 11:30 UTC
Thanks Suejaw  :)
- By Brainless [gb] Date 07.09.10 11:41 UTC
To add a little levity here are correct forms of address for various people, the column 'Spoken greeting' refers: http://us.deskdemon.com/pages/uk/events/formsofaddress
- By Jeangenie [gb] Date 07.09.10 12:08 UTC Edited 07.09.10 12:17 UTC

>As I said before I wouldn't want anyone to address me with Miss or Aunty by anyone's child, its far too formal and I personally think its creates a barrier. One of my Aunts has never wanted to be addressed as such and we have always called her and her husband by their first names,


And that's your (and their) choice as to how you're addressed. That's your prerogative, not anyone else's. This woman has the same prerogative, as do we all.

Just out of interest, note definition 2 ... :-)
- By sunshine [gb] Date 07.09.10 12:13 UTC
If you haven't said anything to her about it, not everyone takes the hint.  i would start there, I'm affraid your daughter would have to come into if you want to do it in a way where she can't say you are being awkward.

I think it fair that your daughter call her by the first name.  You could say that if FIL and her got married (god forbid) say that her calling her auntie will confuse your daughter if they get married.  maybe make sure this isn't on the cards.  If that fails, then be more blunt.  Do what's right for you, you don't want the comebacks.

I've just got back from my friends, she recently lost a sibling and had a a woman around him that sounded very similar.  it reminded me after seeing about you.  My friend had to live in an appauling situation whilst he was dying.  This woman did everything she could to get hold of his money and spend it.  she caused my friend no end of problems and made her life hell, just to try and make her brother move away from her.  No one would listen to her and she spent the time looking after him (I would have kicked him out regardless of his condition) in so much upset and hatred off him for no fault of her own.  Why he sided with this woman is beyond me.  i think when he died, she was a little relieved (her health was in tatters from it).  Now i don't think she has mourned him as she can only remember the bad.

She managed to keep the woman from the house but that caused the woman to be able to stir even more.  They even wound him up with lies to upset him and she got the blame.  She got away saying another family member said 'hope he has a horrid and painful death' and got away with it.  Three people got badly hurt by this and she went up in his estimation.  my friend even pointed out to him why would she say such things even if true, in impact.

She would get him to lie to her and burden her financially. 

You don't want it escalating to those sort of heights.  sometimes its better to keep your enemies very close.  Don't make yourself ill over her, she not worth it.
- By Blue Date 07.09.10 14:03 UTC Edited 07.09.10 14:11 UTC
I have the opposite problem. My step daughter insists her 2 kids call me Nana and I just smile but I am kind of at the stage still where I am not ready for it :-D  I don't say anything though :-)
- By sunshine [gb] Date 07.09.10 14:27 UTC
That's nice compliment to get off a step child. 

I bet its a natural progression, you must be seen as a parent, that's nice.  They don't check to call the grandparents its done on auto piolet.
- By Blue Date 07.09.10 14:38 UTC
Im too young to be a Nana :-D   but the kids are lovely so can't grumble.  
- By molezak [gb] Date 07.09.10 16:21 UTC Edited 07.09.10 16:25 UTC

> My daughters call my husband's stepmother 'Granny' but I have to admit I picked it because my own Gran would go nuts if anyone called her Granny as she hated it (it was for old women) . Is that bad of me? :-D :-D Do I care? :-D :-D


Ha ha, that's good Dakkobear!  We have a step M-I-L from hell who is as fake-as-fake can be and insists on being nana when she's not.  May try the Granny route!  Maybe Earl you could suggest that instead!  Bet she wouldn't like Granny lol! :-D

Actually , seriously, if you think about it, if she wants to be referred to by a 'family name' at least be correct for the kids sake and get them call her granny...  How can their Granddad be with their aunty?  She's got to be a Granny!
- By tina s [gb] Date 07.09.10 16:33 UTC
didnt have time to read the whole thing but dont you think life is a bit short for all this fuss? if she wants to be called auntie- so what? the child will find her own opinion of her as she gets older. whatever she is called wont change that.
- By LJS Date 07.09.10 17:25 UTC
didnt have time to read the whole thing but dont you think life is a bit short for all this fuss?

I think when it comes to families it is very difficult not to get involved with politics and underlying issues between family members and to outsiders it may look trivial but to the people involved it can be very stressful and rationality can often go out the window !
- By Brainless [gb] Date 07.09.10 17:27 UTC
My kids (19 and 23) have always called my Dads wife Aunty, as she isn't their grandmother (who they never see anyway), we agreed it as because she is my age and not my father's it would be somewhat strange.

Now their children are around my own kids names and they know full well they are actually their Aunt and Uncle, but they refer to them as their cousins when introducing them to their friends.

I can't see why they can't introdcue them as Mums youngest brother and sister, but they prefer cousins.
- By Lacy Date 07.09.10 17:53 UTC

> She's got to be a Granny!


I agree with molezak if she wants a family name, then 'Granny' is the way to go. I'm sure you could discuss that with a smile, don't let it get to the stage that it becomes a problem between you and your OH, she isn't worth it. As said your F.I.L can not be living with your Aunt(y).
- By JAY15 [gb] Date 08.09.10 00:57 UTC
Hi earl, first, what a shame this is causing so much tension and upset in your respective households, and second, you really must--for your little daughter's sake if for no one else--be the one to take the lead.

Your little girl can't know the background to this story, and you can't let her happy childhood be spoilt by picking up on adult rivalries. You say your husband is one for a 'quiet life'--I wonder if he hasn't simply realised after all that it is his father's choice, his life and yes, he may be in a relationship with an exploitative, unlikeable woman--but that's his choice. I have to say I think your husband has done the wisest thing by accepting the situation and not forcing his dad to choose between his partner and his children.

This won't be what you want to hear, but you would completely disarm this woman by not rising to her bait. Let her be called Aunty--it won't be the first time a child has had someone in its life who may or may not disappear on them, and your father in law might feel so much happier with this small concession--he's obviously aware enough of your feelings to make the effort to call round on his own every week to see you, and he may be getting some grief from his partner every time he does. He's in a very difficult position, but he is trying hard to make it work for you all.

Families can be damaged permanently through these very challenging relationships--I should know. My mother's parents were very well known in their field, and their house was always full of high profile visitors who came from around the world. Her father was the epitome of the absent minded professor and my grandmother was and had to be solid steel. I adored my grandmother, an absolutely formidable woman in every sense till the day she died at age 98. I found out fairly recently from my mother that my grandfather's very conventional, high Victorian family detested her--she was far too forward, too good looking, wore unconventional, bright clothes, went to university, worked as well as raising a family and didn't hold her tongue with spiteful relatives. They did everything to make her life a misery--they first ignored her, then tried to persuade my grandfather in any way they could not to marry her, and then finally transferred their attentions to the children in the same way. As luck would have it this was Germany and WWII interrupted their activities. My grandfather was in a POW camp in Russia for most of it and my grandmother had to raise three children on her own--two of her children were hit by stray gunfire when the Russians came into Berlin and no one was there to help her. After the war they moved from Berlin to Hanover, where my grandfather took up his professorship. By the time I was 8 or 9 in the early 1960s my grandparents had taken in the latest of a succession of university student lodgers, and this man stayed for the next nearly forty years as my grandmother's companion. You can only imagine how this affected everyone--he was more than 30 years younger than she was for a start, never mind the fact that my grandfather was under the same roof. She and my grandfather lived during the day together as they always had on one floor, with the lodger in the attic, but she and the lodger shared a room at night upstairs. They went away for long holidays together while my grandfather travelled on his lecture tours. He was totally obsessed with his academic world and was never quite 'there' as a parent, and quite probably still less as a husband.

As children we instinctively were aware that this was a highly unusual family and household even for the 1960s, but I can honestly say we never discussed it or were made to choose sides because the adults always treated each other with outward respect.

As a teenager I lived in my grandparents' house for months at a time and became quite resentful of this man--he was very clever, always knew best and always had the final word. I was angry that he assumed the place my grandfather should have had. It took me many years to realise that it wasn't for me to judge why or how my grandmother made her choices, and whether I liked him or not was irrelevant--all that mattered was that I loved her, and she and my grandfather were happy with the way things were. When my grandmother died three years ago it all finally boiled over--my mother and her sister felt he had usurped his way into the family and were very upset that he wanted to make the funeral arrangements, their brother didn't want to start a fight over it and was seen as 'being weak', and so on and so on. When this man started a new relationship it only convinced them that he had only ever wanted to 'get whatever he could.' I believe he did love her very much but I know my mother is only happy that she will never have to see him again.

So please, let your father in law make his choices, even if they fly in the face of reason, even if he chooses a partner who is in your opinion a devious shrew. Don't make your family choose sides, don't let jealousy poison your family and above all, let your daughter grow up to have her own understanding of who this woman really is. If it is so painful for you to be in the same room, why not ask your husband take your daughter out with them while you do something enjoyable for yourself? I can promise you that once you make the decision to stand back in this way this woman has no power to hurt you, but the alternative is to fight your way through and risk losing more than you can imagine.
- By earl [gb] Date 08.09.10 09:38 UTC
Jay, thank you for taking the time to respond.  What an unusual situation and what a lovely person you are to be so unselfish and care only for those around you.  This is a quality I really wish I had.  You've offered me a different perspective on things and with that positivity I will try again and not let her get to me, but I will be doing it with the help of trying not to be in her company.

I guess I have a different relationship with my parents.  I wouldn't sit back and watch them being taken for a ride.  I would air my feelings and viewpoints.  I do realise that thereafter it's up to them, but I'd still say what I thought.  Maybe we're all just different; maybe it's the difference of being an only child (me) to having siblings around (OH); or maybe it's the way we're brought up.

Sometimes being a grown up isn't all it's cracked up to be!
- By Brainless [gb] Date 08.09.10 10:33 UTC
What a great post.  Families are never easy, I should know, dad married three times, children with each wife, several of my 7 siblings/half siblings, have themselves been divorced re-married (I'm on second husband) . 

My Dad's wife (10 months younger than me and 6 years younger than older half-sister)is very good and keeps the exes etc in the family, and includes their new partners.

One brother into his third relationship has been known to visit and both ex wives at my Dad's for the Christmas get tog ethers.

We see more of my second brothers ex than we do of him.  I am so glad she is like this as when she married my Dad and the boys were still children and growing up they made her life hell.
- By Whistler [gb] Date 08.09.10 14:18 UTC
Its funny really reading this one, my OH has grandchildren and no way am I gran or Nan Im Viv, and thats what I get called. Im also Great Auntie Viv but Auntie Viv does that on ok, kids do not understand the "Great" bit. There all under 6 as well!!

I still have Uncle Fred that went to school with my Dad. But my step Mother is Maggs, and we write cards ect to Dad & Maggs!!

I think a first name is no problem, and you are right Auntie whilst an acceptable connatation, that lady isnt one.

We all had "aunties and Uncles" in the 50's and 60's but first names should not be a problem.
- By JAY15 [gb] Date 09.09.10 00:34 UTC
This is a quality I really wish I had

Hi earl--now I'm embarrassed :) because I have often been very far from being unselfish and hurt people because I put my "right" to tell it like it is above other people's "right" to live without my two bits' worth...and something tells me I haven't quite overcome this habit yet :)

I'm not advocating silence when it comes to things (and people) we feel very strongly about. Even silence wouldn't mask the dead give-away of body language. We don't need to say a word to make our feelings perfectly clear, but in doing so, we need to be aware that we could be placing strain on our relationships of trust. That could result in our being told to mind our own business (not unreasonable since you are calling their judgement into question), or it might be countered with a resolve not to tell you about or include you in the things that might upset you. That kind of covert game playing is really destructive because people do it believing they are "protecting" one another and end up justifying/rationalising all sorts of inappropriate decisions to themselves under the guise of "don't tell so-and-so, she'd only get upset if she knew, etc." In extreme situations that can completely destroy trust forever.

Sometimes being a grown up isn't all it's cracked up to be

;)
- By JAY15 [gb] Date 09.09.10 00:35 UTC
This is a quality I really wish I had

Hi earl--now I'm embarrassed :) because I have often been very far from being unselfish and hurt people because I put my "right" to tell it like it is above other people's "right" to live without my two bits' worth...and something tells me I haven't quite overcome this habit yet :)

I'm not advocating silence when it comes to things (and people) we feel very strongly about. Even silence wouldn't mask the dead give-away of body language. We don't need to say a word to make our feelings perfectly clear, but in doing so, we need to be aware that we could be placing strain on our relationships of trust. That could result in our being told to mind our own business (not unreasonable since you are calling their judgement into question), or it might be countered with a resolve not to tell you about or include you in the things that might upset you. That kind of covert game playing is really destructive because people do it believing they are "protecting" one another and end up justifying/rationalising all sorts of inappropriate decisions to themselves under the guise of "don't tell so-and-so, she'd only get upset if she knew, etc." In extreme situations that can completely destroy trust forever.

Sometimes being a grown up isn't all it's cracked up to be

;)
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