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Topic Dog Boards / Breeding / Breeding terms
- By Pedlee Date 19.08.10 07:46 UTC
Does anyone have any experience of having a bitch puppy on breeding terms? Who is responsible for what and what are the implications? Is it something to be avoided? Any info. appreciated.
- By LucyDogs [gb] Date 19.08.10 08:08 UTC
You should have every possible eventuality written down so there is no argument - many firm friendships have foundered on this sort of thing. If it's not a friend you are considering doing this with, make sure everything is in writing and agreed by you both.
- By cracar [gb] Date 19.08.10 08:18 UTC
Depends on the friendship.  Our close friends took a girl off us and when they bred, we got to have a pup out the litter.  Nothing written or pre-arranged, we just were that close that we discussed everything.
On the other hand, we tried this with a larger breeder who wasn't a close friend and it didn't work out at all.  I didn't think the bitch was up to scratch for either showing or breeding but they still wanted me to do both.  We agreed to disagree and they took the bitch back and sent her to the continent to get tickets.  She will be back to add her faults to the small gene pool.  sad.
- By Staff [gb] Date 19.08.10 08:38 UTC
I have a bitch on breeders terms....breeder asked me if I would like her, I would show her and she is ultimately my dog.  If I decided to breed from her a few years down the road then the breeder would have a pup back to continue her lines.  This was all done without a contract and no monies passing over.  Unfortunately this pup has turned out to not be of show quality so she won't be in the showring but she's staying with me and I am now training her for working trials.  I'd not hesitate to have a bitch on breeders terms from this person again but not sure i'd do it with anyone else.
- By Brainless [gb] Date 19.08.10 09:38 UTC
Generally best avoided.

If the bitches breeder wants to buy a puppy from a litter you may decide to breed (or not) then they have that option, but the decisions are then yours.

Slightly different, but my most recent litter was primarily bred so the stud dog owner could have a puppy from their boy from a bitch they liked, who was by a dog they owned in partnership so killing two birds with one stone giving them a  pup with both dogs lines.

The decision to sue the dog was mine (i'd already used him on her daughter), and the decision on whether any of the pusp were waht they wanted was theirs, no-one tied into anything.

Pup now 15 weeks and developing nicely, so time will tell how she turns out in the end.
- By Norman [gb] Date 19.08.10 10:12 UTC
I think it depends on the friendship and how honest and open that is.  I have entered into a verbal agreement with a friend and talked through all of the possible nighmares that we could face and even considered plan b should it all end up going horribly wrong, it's not something I have done before so I hope it does work out lol.  On the other hand I have heard of this sort of agreement ruining good friendships and leaving a lot of bad feeling.
- By Noora Date 19.08.10 11:13 UTC
I have had two bitches in breeding terms.
One already decreased(old age) and the breeder was not a friend when we took the bitch on.
This was done with a contract and all went fine(she had the litter for the breeder and became our dog).

I now have a young girl on breeding terms again, this time from a friend, no contract or monies changed hands...
My girl came from abroad so the breeding terms with her is little different to straight forward agreement when both parties are in the same country but I have no doubt it will all go fine :) and we both will get what we wanted from the agreement.
- By Noora Date 19.08.10 11:26 UTC
Just to add...

1st girl:
We were responsible of all everyday costs,
Breeder was responsible of the cost related to breeding(eyes, hips, litter costs)
She went to have the litter at the breeders house(would also stay over for our holidays and we would visit so she was familiar with breeders dogs and breeder herself) and then became fully owned by us.

2nd girl:
We are responsibe of all costs and have an verbal agreement regarding first litter.
The litter will be born here in UK under my affix.
So not the "usual" breeding terms agreement really but this is largely to do with us being in different countries...

I would be happy to do breeding terms again based on my own experiences :).
But would only ever do it so that the other party has rights to the first litter and after the dog becomes mine and decisions are mine!
I would not enter a "contract" where the dog never becomes fully my dog or where more than one litter is demanded.
- By Pedlee Date 19.08.10 12:18 UTC
Not just posting this to Noora, but does anyone have a copy of a contract I could look at?
- By copespeak [au] Date 19.08.10 22:34 UTC
We owned a half share of our girl, and she's lived with us. She was bred by the other owner. We shared most costs and have had half the litter each. It has been a bit uneven, with many minor costs not shared (which can really add up), and I have done all the whelping work up until now. Now most have gone off to their new homes and she houses the last two. She kept the two show dogs; one is shared with another girl, and she is showing one, but I haven't been compensated for the difference in value.

I would say definitely get your agreement down on paper, so there is no confusion, as I feel just a little ripped off. She wants Zara to have another litter in two years, but I would change the terms so they are fairer. I don't want to rock the boat this time as I am good friends with her mum.
- By Noora Date 21.08.10 12:06 UTC
sorry for the late reply.
Finnish KC provides an official contract they advise everybody to use if doing breeding terms.
Different one for boys and girls.
Breeding terms is much more commonly used in Finland that it is over here.
- By Pedlee Date 21.08.10 12:24 UTC
Would you have copies in English, Noora, that I could have a look at?
- By Alfieshmalfie Date 21.08.10 12:28 UTC
Ive always wondered how this works, what happens if the dog you have under breeding terms is unable to have puppies or there is complications and she absorbs a litter or needs spaying in an emergency?
- By Jeangenie [gb] Date 21.08.10 12:31 UTC
Those are all things that would have to be discussed and agreed in writing beforehand.
- By Noora Date 21.08.10 13:48 UTC
I'm afraid the contract is only in finnish but maybe somebody knows of a good online translator?
- By Boxacrazy [gb] Date 21.08.10 13:51 UTC
Babel Fish? as the translator.. might give you the general gist
- By Noora Date 21.08.10 13:53 UTC
Alfieshmalfie, in the finnish contract the full ownership goes to the "guardian" when the bitch is 3 or 4 years old(you can tick which one).
So the litter must be produced before then if the "breeder" wishes to do so.
If bitch is unable to have puppies for any reason, well it can't have puppies and will transfer to the "guardians" ownership after getting to the selected age.
I think it is very fair way to do it.
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