Hi guys

Which puppy websites would be best to use to sell pups which haven't already been spoken for.

Thanks darren

You can add them to the KC Litter Registration papers when you register the litter.  I think it used to cost £20.

Champdogs!!

This one, definitely.

Champdogs & The KC this should be all you need along with any enquires the breeder of the stud dog owner can put your way, you could also contact your breed club to let them know. I certainly wouldnt not adverstise your litter on any of the other puppy websites/ free add sites out there as half of the people advertising on those sites are are puppy farmers.

Agree with Moomins - you could always create your own website. 

Same as the others 'CHAMPDOGS' very good value for money.

The other sites do not come close, even the KC one is not as good, as it does not give enough information about the pups, breeding, colour, dam and sire etc.

Hello,
Can anyone tell me how long it takes for an advert to become live on champdogs from being placed?

Thanks Joelol

Im sure mine only took a couple of days to become live.

The thing is those other sites if no god breeders advertise have a captive market as that is where many people will look.

Certainly worth having a breeders listing anywhere and everywhere, many top breeders have listings on most of these sites, but few would advertise and actual litter.  The reason for listing is to try and filter people away from the bad breeders.

As to actually advertising a litter on these sites that take any and all puppy adverts, you may do, but expect most enquiries to be unsuitable. 

Also word your adverts to contrast strongly with the BYB and Puppy farm ones. 

What I mean is give health screening results for parents, bloodlines, etc.  If your not experienced at vetting it is maybe best to avoid these sites.

>Can anyone tell me how long it takes for an advert to become live on champdogs from being placed?

All applications for membership are screened before being accepted. Obviously, this takes time but most accounts are live within a few hours. If any delay is incurred, it is normally because the applicant has failed to provide all the requested information or does not have their affix serial number to hand. :)

It is very true the vast majority of people who advertise their litters on so called puppy sites are BYB's or puppy farmers. However, I would reiterate what brainless has said.  I have advertised on such sites and every single person who has ever responded to my advert has started off their conversation by stating that they chose to ring me as my ad stood out from the rest. They could tell by my ad that I was devoted to my breed, care deeply about my own dogs and any pups I bring into the world, ensured all relevant health tests done etc (oh and with CLEAR results of course - believe me when a breeder states for eg their bitch has been eye tested via the BVA/KC scheme it doesn't necessarily mean they got a clear result - I have seen an ad on a certain puppy site, by a breeder listed and seemingly reputable on here, state that eye testing is done, but I know from the open registry that they failed that test !) Sadly a member of the public will just assume from the wording of the ad that it means a clear result.
Anyway, sorry went off topic there. My point is that in this day and age, the vast majority of people looking for a puppy will indeed search the puppy sites before anywhere else - everyone turns to the internet - the days of folk ringing the KC and then the breed club's puppy register are long gone (although that is most likely still the case for rarer breeds, I hasten to add). Therefore, if no reputable breeders advertise on such sites, there is no-one showing the public how it SHOULD be done is there ?
By the same token, if you are a reputable breeder and that comes across loud and clear in the advert, you will indeed attract the right sort of owners - the sort of people who have done their breed research etc and whom you would feel most happy to have one of your precious babies. Well, that is my experience anyway.

> believe me when a breeder states for eg their bitch has been eye tested via the BVA/KC scheme it doesn't necessarily mean they got a clear result - I have seen an ad on a certain puppy site, by a breeder listed and seemingly reputable on here, state that eye testing is done, but I know from the open registry that they failed that test !)

I sincerely hope that you have reported it to Admin as all copies of health certificates should be forwarded to them.

In response to toolz, no I haven't as I don't think any champdogs rules have been broken, the litter wasn't advertised on here anyway.

If you have a trawl of the 'puppy for sale' websites you may, or may not, be quite appalled at the number of obvious puppy farm adverts. So, best to stick with KC and this site, as others have suggested. Just do your research if advertising elsewhere and look at what else is being advertised to ensure that you are not going to be one advert in amongst many unsuitable ones.

> look at what else is being advertised to ensure that you are not going to be one advert in amongst many unsuitable ones.

Well actually that would be a good thing if the advert is worded so as to show up how different yours is from the rest, hopefully some people will steer clear of the awful ones, and any surplus good enquiries can be passed onto other reputable breeders planning litters, so depriving the baddies.

The thing is, Joe Bloggs down the road who wants a pet puppy believes that hip scoring and similar doesn't matter for a puppy wanted as a pet as surely this is only relevant for show dogs......And only show breeders who only care about winning prizes have the problems, don't they? So the very fact they are testing is bad news! Must mean they have a problem! So all the ads that claim pups vet checked as healthy, wormed and de-fleaed (something which puts me off instantly) and the parents are pets and can both be seen, look like very responsible. Especially as the responsible ads don't mention flea treatment and similar, just goes on about official tests the potential buyer has never even heard of...... I.e. to the uninitiated the responsible can suddenly looks like the IRRESPONSIBLE, especially when they are the odd ones out.

Actually Marianne, I had exactly the same conversation with a good friend of mine yesterday.  Hes a professional and intelligent, has had dogs all his life and they are well trained and well behaved and fed on a decent diet (ie not Ba***s).  Weve had an 'interesting' experience with a rescue over the weekend and are still very shocked.  My friend suggested that we get a pup, he found a website, and an advert.  He said that he had found a nice one, it was reared in a home, in a family, both parents were pets, it was a crossbreed (so they were stronger werent they..) they hadnt needed to do lots of nasty tests as they were obviously healthy pups (after all pedigree dogs that needed to be tested for nasty diseases were fragile werent they) and they hadnt put deflead or wormed (after all if a pup had to be de-flead or wormed they must have been in an awful place to get them?).

I just spluttered.  However I could see his reasoning in a way.

Must agree with Marianne, I simply hate to see adverts which boast that the puppies have all been deflead - as if it is something really admirable ! Meanwhile, there will be no mention of any actual breed specific health testing having been done on the parents. I have never "deflead" a litter as I have never had a need to ! It is always the BYB's who proudly boast of "defleaing".

Then there was an Ad for a litter of my breed that I saw the other day... stating that they had taken the decision not to KC reg their puppies as they only wanted them to go to pet homes and by not KC reg'ing them they could keep the price of the puppies down !!! Does anyone actually fall for that kind of rubbish... actually sadly they do :-(

Also in reponse to Marianne. Actually I don't want that type of "Joe Bloggs" to have one of my puppies. I want well informed owners, and  given the nature of my carefully worded adverts, (I must point out I only breed 1 litter per year and only when I am wanting something for me) those who do respond to them are educated about their chosen breed and know a good breeder from a bad one. I also do think that a responsible breeders advert does indeed highlight what is bad about so many of the byb adverts on the internet. Fair enough, some people are just too ignorant to see this, but if just one person saw my ad and they "saw the light" as a result, then it is worth it IMO. To advise someone to only advertise on here or on the KC website is, I feel,  demonstrating a closed mind and in a way is pandering to the byb's, they would simply love to have the so called puppy sites all to themselves !

My experience has been the same as Cavlover.  When I have people contact me they tell me it is because they can see that I have higher standards.

I can't be more positive about my experiences with Champdogs! Through this site, I had great buyers lined up for my puppies last year before they were even born. I have had a steady stream of people making enquiries through seeing my kennel page even though no mention of any litter plans for this year. In fact several have now got back into contact with me as I told them of my plans and when so they must be interested buyers. At the time the stud hadn't been confirmed either.

As my breed is one of the most popular in the UK, there are many badly bred examples out there, who will cost much less (but not always!) than the well bred litters. I am sometimes shocked when I see some of the pedigrees and then see how much is being asked for the puppies! But then Mr & Mrs Joe public who "just want a pet" aren't bothered about Champions or Crufts BOB's in the pedigree. Really? I say that if those dogs are in the pedigree and you are happy to tell potential owners this, wouldn't they be proud to own a beautiful example of that breed? And wouldn't they be proud to say their dog was sired by a Show Champion (and the mother has Crufts BOB in her pedigree) when people are admiring their beautiful dog?

Interestingly, the stud owner we've just used said she only lets him be used on show dogs, where the owners are planning on keeping a pup themselves, or through friends. Thankfully, we were recommended, so were able to use him. I'll be proud to tell my puppy people about the story behind my search for the best mate for my girl. It took months, went back and forth several times, and ended in me taking specific advice from people very high up in my breed, who knew the pedigree and which dogs would be suitable. It just so happened the main dog suggested was the one on the top of my list! It actually didn't matter to me whether he was a Sh Ch, it just so happened that he is :).

The only reason I may advertise any potential litter in my local paper would be so that maybe one or two would be closeby, as the only disadvantage of advertising online is that people may travel far and wide for one of your puppies, and it's so much easier to lose touch or keep an eye on them if they're a long way away.

Also in reponse to Marianne. Actually I don't want that type of "Joe Bloggs" to have one of my puppies. I want well informed owners, and  given the nature of my carefully worded adverts, (I must point out I only breed 1 litter per year and only when I am wanting something for me) those who do respond to them are educated about their chosen breed and know a good breeder from a bad one.

And in that case, you will save both your time and potential buyers' time by only advertising on sites known to have clued up enquirers. :)

Also to add, a lot of breeders get bad mouthed within the breed if seen to advertise on a certain site. It instantly damages their reputation. "He or she must be desperate", "He or she must only be out to make money these days" etc -heard it many a time.

"Also to add, a lot of breeders get bad mouthed within the breed if seen to advertise on a certain site. It instantly damages their reputation. "He or she must be desperate", "He or she must only be out to make money these days" etc -heard it many a time"

I would say the problem here lies with the people doing the bad mouthing actually.

May well be -but I still wouldn't want to subject myself to it.

People in our breed who advertise on a certain site are not recommended.  The public have great difficulty in screening the various 'dog for sale sites', as so many seem plausible adverts, if I did not know better I also would be tempted by some of the claims.

There are only two websites that I know of that come highly recommended, and as I said before 'Champdogs' and the KC website.

I would not advertise on any of the other sites, I do not wish to be associated with those sites that also advertise various puppies from dubious sources.

Only today a visit from a person interested in a puppy - they live in London (saw my advert on Champdogs) - I live the other end of the country.   They came, not because I have puppies, because I haven't at the moment, but they liked the sound of my advert, and they had heard that reputable breeders were on Champdogs and wished to know more about the breed, so that they could make the right decision in that is the breed the one that will suit them.   They are now going to go away and give very serious consideration to buying a dog when the time is right, because at the moment it is not the right time, they have seen how naughty and demanding the breed can be and have not been forced by a puppy seller who is only interested in taking their money to go home with an impulse purchase.

I will now, if they wish, when the time is right be able to put them in contact with a breeder with pups, or in contact with our litter recorder, and they will avoid making the mistake of buying from a less than reputable breeder.

What about dog.biz people?  I've just gone onto the website and can see puppies are advertised on there and its mainly show people who visit the site?

just adding on the end here, ive only skim read this so it might have already been mentioned but what about breed club / breed specific websites ?  surely anyone really interested in the breed would go to a breed club first ?

> just adding on the end here, ive only skim read this so it might have already been mentioned but what about breed club / breed specific websites ?  surely anyone really interested in the breed would go to a breed club first ?

Yes, a Breed Club is  good and should be one's first port of call.  But some Breed Clubs do not advertise litters on their websites, most have I think someone who records litters, but nowadays buyers like to read about available pups on the internet.  Many of the public are unaware of Breed Clubs and go straight to the internet, as that is the way which a lot of buying is done nowadays.

Surely though if people are unaware of the breed clubs, they haven't done enough research into their chosen breed?!

I researched a pup about 3 years ago. My first port of call was a breeder I knew, followed by the litter registry lady. I passed her Spanish Inquisition and she was then exceptionally helpful and was a wealth of knowledge and expertise (and still is). I then researched breeders myself and I ran them past her and she was more than happy for me to do that (infact a new breeder was around and she went out of her way to find out about this person :-) ) I didn't use her to get a pup in the end (fate and the heavens intervened) but I would gladly have done so.
I found all the breeders I approached to be friendly and willing to chat and full of useful advice. I was able, thanks to speaking to a wide selection of people in my breed to find the most fantastic pup, who is now the most fantastic dog. I also got a rescue dog through breed rescue in the end (not at the same time I hasten to add!!!!)

I wouldn't touch a breeder who advertised on a lot of the websites that are out there. I would only touch some that advertise anywhere, even on here...but surely, if someone is actually thoroughly researching a breed, that is what they should do...research and not just go to the sites with pages and pages of pups listed? It's a lazy way to buy a dog....and if you are lazy about sourcing it, surely that could well mean that you may not have any qualms about giving it up when it gets too big/disobedient/old/ill........