> she just grabbed the lead in her mouth and walked like that with it...

Please make sure you are still holding her lead- I once knoocked over a beautiful German Pointer being walked like this. The dog ran into the road and I managed to avoid him - owner called him back and my front light slit his throat. I will never forget holding that dog as he died or the anger I felt towards his owner for not holding his lead.

absolutely. it is aweful when we run over animals. i ran over a parisians pet cat on holiday elsewhere many years ago, not even driving fast, but the cat shot out in front of the car in a country road..it went thud thud under my car...was all mangled and still alive as we all picked it up...I could not bear it...i took my knife out and slit its throat to put it out of misery fast the pain it was in was just aweful. the owners were in latin distraught mode screaming with pain and sorrow even though they appreciated it was an accident and we were all upset.i will never trust Balck Fairy off lead near traffic until well over a year old...there is just too much that can happen, new things like LEAVES flutter and yesterday for the first time in the wind and of course she was fascinated by them and pouncing everywhere...i was on her tail every step...it was sunday and only a car park by the bar where she normally just sleeps in the heat at my feet...but if that had been at a kerb ? and cars passing ? a sudden pounce from her like that and that would be the end of her. once she has had a new distraction she then is controllable next time i did find..the first time she went into the fields it was the same...RAN like a rabbit sniffing obsessed everywhere overexcited...for the first time then she went more than 100 meters away from me and did not seem to hear or anyhows did not respond to my calls...it is better now...she still obsessed but seems to hear or respond to me there ok. takes time. she does not like cars which pleases me, some pups like my sisters chihouhua CHASE them even ! such a worry that is...cross patterdale to add problems to its terrier nature of course i say to that !

papillons ! i clicked through to see you are into papillon dogs ! ooh i saw and read they are very smart for agilty...fast...of course there reminds me another horror thing i watched...the bbc video on utube of not a papillon but similar...what was it ? king charles spaniel...yes that was it they were not butterfly dogs...but spaniels. ooh i must read about this papillon more. much prettier than a chichouaua !

and prettier more husky looking that a breed i see often in France i do not like...the Bichon Frisee...i really do not see the point of that breed...it is neither a poodle which i very much like or anthing else particularly...but these papillons ? surely ! the French with their llove of fancy things would like these ! just don't see them around ! the French are very INTO husky type looks for the past few years...sigh sigh...seeing how as they cannot CONTROL them of course as standard and that breed being uncontrollable generally...they are a nuissance...saw a pair in SPA recently in fact...sigh...lost dogs home.

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you see papillon ? this was yesterday...she is ON LEAD...holding it in her mouth...she does not like it...and i am tempted yes to not put it on her sometimes when there is nothing around as she does not run off...but i have my heart in mouth each time so cannot bear the stress of it to be honest...chances are she would not dart off in the middle of night on walk...and coming out into cul de sac she tries to INSIST by TEETH pulling her lead to not have it put on her...breaks my heart to...she LISTENS to words like pavement...does not run to cars...but it is just one moment it would take for it all to come to grief...she is happier with collar instead of harness i must add...

my biggest problem is not my pup actually when on walks on pavements...it is PEOPLE who decide to attract her attention to get her to COME TO THEM ! really ! i was on phone yesterday to a Brit mentioned this..and he said yes it is French laziness not to COME themselves to the dog at least...ooh yes...i recognised that issue...why i get annoyed with them ! it seems Brits and Germans come to me and the dog instead of calling the dog to them ! cultural things hey ! but it PUTS MY PUP AT RISK if out of reach or if she thinks it is ok to run accross roads to people etc ! i get very annoyed in fact...i am a latin...snappy...bad tempered things latins !! LOL !

actually Papillon, as with MANY OTHERS here on this forum so KIND ENOUGH To give me directions to useful links that i have made FULL USE of on my website even...so a big thanks to all for the attentions given to Black Fairy via myself for taht...

your comments prompted me to ask myself...what insurance do i have for this pup ? none for vet right now, and public liability ? well i must read my insurances all over the place for that probably...never thought about it...legislation is important...just added to my website the following...

"LAWS RELATING TO DOGS !!! France, Europe etc as best possible...I must read this myself !! LOL ! il faut que je lise ca moi aussi ! LOL

Le principale ? bon - PAS OBLIGATOIRE de VACCINER son chien...mais...on ne peut pas VOYAGER avec a l'etranger en dehors du pays sinon ! alors ? LA RAGE et VACCINS PASSEPORT CHIEN utiles ! et pas plus de 48 heures veto certificat pour parasites si allant en GB en plus ! Musulieres si en public transport Pologne et Lithuanie ...bon...pas tres respectee ca il faut dire...mais si ca mord ? oh la...AMENDES CERTAINES ! et pire !!

Les lois legislatives FRANCAISE ! sur ce lien...qu'il faudra que je LISE MOI! LOL !!! je suis NULLE hein ? pas besoin de me le dire merci !

http://www.chien.com/general/legislation/choisissez-pays/france.html - bien sur ce lien n'a rien d'utile sur autres pays comme GB etc...mais je pense ok pour la France !! LOL nothing useful about GB laws here i add ! but FRANCE YES !

DE NOS JOURS - NOWADAYS - with the USA type LEGISLATION "SUE ANYTHING THAT MOVES" mentality and tendencies ? best to take INSURANCE ! "ASSURANCE CIVILE" ! just in case people get sue-happy over trivia ! let alone anything serious of course ! like CAUSING AN ACCIDENT if dog runs out in front of a car !

...I will ADD legistion links in the fullness of time here ! ooh i love that expression..."IN THE FULLNESS OF TIME" very Sir Humphrey that ! Long Live Sir Humphrey !  !! LOL !"

> If more people did this...then dogs would be better behaved generally i believe and welcome in more places.
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Quite agree.

I think the motor car has a lot to answer for.

when I was a child anyone who had a dog walked them from their house around the streets to any off lead exercise areas, th dogs met lots of people and more importantly lots of people saw mainly well behaved well socialised dogs.

Now many people drive to their favourite walks, the dogs rarely get walked on the local streets, more and more places that used to accept dogs like pubs no longer do, using serving food as an excuse (but it is only food preparation areas dogs are excluded from by law).

As a result fewer people regularly meet well behaved dogs, many dogs when they do go out to places they are unused to crowds, buses trains etc can then let their owners, and most of all dogs in general down.

Of course the owners who do not clear up after their dogs let us all down.

I hate it when I walk past a pile with my five, because I bet the person walking past me and seeing it will assume it was mine.

> but it PUTS MY PUP AT RISK if out of reach or if she thinks it is ok to run accross roads to people etc

I do hope I am Reading this wrong, are you saying you have your pup off the lead in the streets and bars? 

This is very unwise and probably illegal (certainly against the law here) to have a dog off lead on a public road.

Your pup should only ever be off lead in safe areas away from roads or livestock.

ah, and that is ONE ADVANTAGE of FRANCE !!! pubs restaurants DO NOT BAN DOGS ! not like in the uk ! but ? there are still none there ! i say because badly behaved mostly...like the man's 2 dogs he spoke of yesterday wanting to play himself with my pup !

now of course kids today, excuse me saying this not having any myself, are PAMPERED and in public parks ? prefer to whizz annoyingly on baby motorbikes noisily and get CARRIED like BABIES everywhere by car by parents !

no dog walking even as pleasure as when i was a kid ! why i wanted dogs then !

ooh brainless...i wondered when i was going to get a bite from you or jeanie for that comment well spotted if not too obviously made by me ! i have done yes i admit it. there are laws in France i add...NO ONE PAYS THEM ANY ATTENTION ! not for dog pooh picking up or anything else i add like PARKING ! that is why there are METAL BOLLARDS on EVERY PAVEMENT to stop cars at least in too narrow streets parking ! i did suggest FINES were a better and less TAX PAYERS WASTE OF MONEY for that prob here but i get ignored of course...i am a half breed frog so no frog worth listening to for that here LOL !! but i BARK like a FROG I assure you !!! HILARIOUS !!! they get more than they bargain for when they think....ooh funny accent that one...(it is a mish mash of local dialect and foreign influences i add) they think,...a SOPPY ROS BIF meaning BRIT...who are POLITE so ? we frogs can be DICTATORIAL to !!! oh lala...they soon realise their HORRIBLE MISTAKE when my ARGOT SLANG PEASANT FRENCH TERMS hit them in return !!! nasty bruises verbally they get from me...LOL !!!

more important than my entanglmeents with my fellow countrymen....it is standard here to yell hoot at people for any minor thing...bang cars even...push parked cars out of the way with your own...all that good stuf....MY PUP on lead...is NECESSARY of course. TO AVOID THE BADLY BEHAVED FROGS CALLING HER OVER while she is a pup still and uncertain sometimes !

my pup...does not POOH POOH on the streets...if she wanted to i would pick it up with bag i have always for it.

my pup...stays AT MY SIDE or lies at my feet in bars where i go. if ok ? i let her wander around a bit...but she always returns to me on call there. inside is fine. can't be doing with all those leads on her there. outside i only let her loose if a SUNDAY and nothing in the bar carpark where i go sometimes.

i will admit...in the very begining..when my pup was nervous about going out...i did not put a lead on her. i taught her to obey and stay close to me walking in the cul de sac even to the 600 yards away bar on the pavements without a lead. ok....i was on her tail close all the time...taught her ATTENDS each time a car passed...it became 2nd nature to her to stop...not cross the road without an instruction from me...all that i did yes ...ah another reason i had...I DID NTO HAVE A COLLAR for her !! LOL ! and could not go out alone as i had not taught her separation...she goes AWOL if she does not see me i add...so i did not want to stress her...bought one at the vet...could not go IN a shop WITH her for that of course. sigh. NOW SHE HAS IT ALL !

the GENDARMES saw us once...said WHERE ARE YOU GOING ? i quickly said HOME and i am getting her a lead si !

they did not pursue us...it is so RARE to see dogs out on the streets in the suburbs ! people must drive them to the local parks where they all go AWOL and are a nuissance.

she is much happier with her new collar now i add. and the lead is long enough for her to hold in her mouth as she did when i first got it for her and did not put it on. so i hold her lead, and she holds the end of it !!! LOL !!!

i really need to change that for showing her one day...am sure the judges will not like that hey !

so cute though...just finished her portion of roast chicken...no fussing for it...just STARES at me....i cannot bear the eyes...let her digest...and off out to the SHOPS where they COME OUT TO SERVE me now...since she is not allowed in ! outside...for my bread etc...i will not leave her alone yet. she cannot bear not seeing me. SCREAMS if that happens.

harness i put on her...did not like it and it caught her fur sometimes i noticed and annoyed her. vet suggested it...many wear them around here. breeder said i should not use it. said dogs should not pull so harness not needed.

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there you see ! that was yesterday...she is on lead nowadays !

LIVESTOCK ??? but my pup listens ! the local farmer is FINE about her loose chickens and cow herd and my pup off lead !

look at my website for evidence ! she does not chase them on a word from me !
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of course if i had had a collar and lead earlier i would have put it on...but i didn't...so i had to CONTROL her without it.

the breeders realised after seeing all that and said they would have given me a collar if they had known. it is useful to have a lead and collar before you bring a pup home. one does not think about these things. well i didn\t obviously. once i HAD her ? i was STUCK ! could not drive her in a car she hated much then and still not keen on..and could not leave her alone !

i have to say...i think i am lucky...the farmer's huge beauceron dog is chained up he is unmanageable around chickens etc...i offered to walk him...but they say no...he barks and attacks her own sons in the night if they arrive ! LOL !!! vicious thing...i stroked it once...no growls...but it did not seem like it wanted to play with my pup...is an adult...sigh...she needs pups to play with.

a PATOU is also the official term used for the huge Pyreneen mountain dogs...the big white ones...careful not to confuse with smaller pyreneen sheepdog one...is is applied to all huge sheepdogs often the word patou...but also in general to dogs that are cutesy gentle giants...gentle giant in fact thinking about it since looking for a better word fits the bill nicely for an exact meaning of the word PATOU...sweet in slang no doubt LOL !

I thought of having one...or the Maremma italian finer head version one...but i read and heard they are solitary dogs, like being with sheep and outside not inside mostly. i wanted a dog for companionship to me, so not ideal. i had a chow chow once, horrible distant non active dog he was...growled at me if i went near his dish...only then...but i thought no, not a dog that wants to sit on a couch all day as he did. going for walks ? he was doing ME a favour i felt sometimes ! seemed aloof and arrogant to me ! LOL ! dogs hey ! decide who they respect ! obviously not ME in his case ! had him years...must say...was not going to have another though...mother ADORED him ! he did not growl at her !

TV series...SEBASTIEN et BELLE had a pyreneen in it...so ? all kids wanted one of those in France...like the Lassie films I guess...French version...EVERYONE knows Sebastien et Belle ! in France anyhows. yes but i did have a LAssie ! oh dear. it reads like i am a FASHION FOLLOWER ! well i am FRENCH ! LOL ! non, i like my dog for other reasons, she is not fashion accessory to me. i admire her. BUT SHE IS DIFFERENT TO DOGS LIKE POODLES AND SCOTTISH COLLEY AND CHOW I HAD BEFORE !!! very different.

Just remember, she is only a pup, my pup's were very obedient but they grow into dogs with minds of their own very quickly, don't fall into the trap of assuming you have it all sussed because they will surprise you.

thx for reminding me, and i am not overconfident...the terrible teens will come for sure with this breed LOL ! just in from farmers...who had spread muck manure of cows over our field...we stayed ages chatting...FARMERS ARE THE SALT OF THE EARTH ! i am happiest when with them...the lady is a big dog lover...filthy dogs but loves them and sleeps with them all ! LOL ! the son took us round the back to another field without manure for our return past the vicious Beauceron...she barked a bit...pup walked on by...she has figured out if she can see a dog on chain or behind bars she can ignore it !!! LOL !!! a female 4 year old so have to take care...it is a cattle breed woman said...with claws on back of feet different to my breed....not that it cattle herds...oooh...but my pup will soon i am making good progress with her son for that !! LOL !!! he is all for it !! but she is too young still i think...not yet 4 months and huge hoofs of unfamiliar huge herd of cows...let us take "getting to know us" easy for a while longer...LOL ! no chicken chasing...got some FREE eggs. !!! enough to make me CONTROL my pup that hey !!! LOL !!! now...pup BARKED furiously at me for saying word VOITURE/CAR to her before going out...so ? have to get to shops still to change camera with this madam...she is watching me...knows it is not over this idea...dogs SENSE what is on our minds i feel...she will get annoyed with me again if i make a move to go out !!! LOL !! is lying flat in path of office doorway !!! LOL !!! so she won't miss me trying to sneak out !!!

I think physical punishment from the owner is too risky in most cases. Might make the dog nervy/aggressive. On the other hand I have no problem with using aversives but prefer them not to be too associated with the owner.

Adam

oh I spoke to farmer woman about laws on farmland...i said i think farmers can shoot dogs on their land off leads in GB ??? is that so ?

woman answered NOT IN FRANCE ! but sometimes like a starving thin HUSKY stray used to come and eat a chicken or so...so ? procedure is call gendarmes etc...sigh...too lenghty a process...so the answer here apparently is...shoot them and bury them and say nothing...in this case...the husband fired a few shots above the dogs head a few times and it did not come back.

of course NO POINT DOING THAT TO MY PUP !! she is already GUN SHOT TRAINED !!! we had to sit in a PUBLIC PARC one sunday with some PRATS in my view shooting pigeons !!!! PAN PAN PAN....PAN PAN...PAN....PAN PAN PAN...all through our walk !!! SUCH a STUPID thing to do near a public parc  i say ! when the supermarkets are nearby ! but it does train French Dogs well to IGNORE LOUD NOISES ! obviously not this stray Huskey though ...!! LOL !!!

in time...Black Fairy has to pass a TAN exam...where gunshot and no movement is needed to pass it. SHE IS READY !!! LOL !!!

That is a PROBLEM in France...this FASHION now for HUSKEY FLUFFY DOGS ! they are UNSUITED to this HOT 40 degrees and often 30 degrees heat in summer ! and obviously not dogs who like to be alone...like exercise...WHICH MOST NORMAL FRENCH DO NOT !!! sigh. you see them ALL OVER TOWNS HERE !

last one i met at a cafee outside in Sarlat...i stroked it ok after a while...but a passer by tried to and the dog snarled and tried to bite him...owner said...OH TRY" AGAIN !! you just STARTLED AND FRIGHTENED HIM !!! LOL !!! no chance of that !!! the chap walked on by !!

that is the problem in France...i was sat talking for a while before i ASKED to stroke the dog which had layed on my foot...this other chap ? he was a stranger who was walking past and just thought as people do here..LETS STROKE THAT DOG !!

idiocy i say to that ASK first the owner...THEN ASK THE DOG !

adam...what does aversives mean ? from someone else ? ooh...can't see me letting anyone smack my pup ! i would tell her to BITE THEM even if anyone did that ! or even TRIED TO ! not sure i follow that point ! surely...well judging what i sense from my pup...she does not accept authority from others already...it has to be me...and that is how i want it...

interesting point...on friday pup classes the breeders giving the lessons left my pup and i out of the bit where everyone changed dogs and walked someone elses ! they know i cannot stand that idea ...did nto even need to ask me...i am very posessive about my pup...i would HATE to see her walk on a lead for anyone else but me ! anyhows...i was not faced with that prospect...she would buck like a wild horse in fact ...i saw her adverse reaction to someone who dared try to pull her on her lead to come out faster once...i was annoyed the person tried that....she just pulled fiercely back...refused to budge anyway. was surprised probably...i NEVER pull her on the lead ! i WAIT until the madam decides she will listen to me if it comes to a conflict over a dark room or whatever...

toilets in bars...she does not like them...never goes into the one here at home..so in a bar ? just will not go in...i HAVE TO somtimes LOL !!! she is very unhappy about that particular room i add. the bathroom here she only went into after 6 weeks ! strange ! she BARKS at me if i am in there too long even the door is open so she can see me ! what is it about bathrooms and toilets dogs do not like i wonder ?

Aversives mean an unpleasent stimulus. Something bad, Such as discomfort.

Adam

The play is very normal I agree. However, what is very apparent is that her brother is not really very into the play (could be for many reasons we don't know about, eg he's tired, having an off day, whatever...) and she is very intent on playing. He is giving her calming signals which sometimes she is taking notice of, but sometimes she just leaps on him. What is this teaching her, if this is how they always play?

I'd tend to let them play, but if she doesn't give him a break for a bit, have her under control for a while, to let him rest. Otherwise, it may be that one day he will loose his cool and she may just learn that it's fine to push other dogs about. It might be good to introduce her to an older dog who is good with pups, too.

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like holding her down ? that is negative, aversive....i have tried that a bit...it seems to increase her efforts to get back at me i add...she gets frustrated...what i did yesterday when a bit tired of her insistance of the bite session game she wanted to start up again was JUMP ON MY BED a few times out of her reach...she got in my view rather miffed about that...i got some barks...then it seemed she sulked...did not want to play at all...seemed in a very bad mood. ignored me for a while after that. the moment passed. i just had quite enough of her lunging at my inner legs session with nips...am covered in bruises there too ! not photographing that ! the arms are bad enough !

i wore some thicker sleeves for a session she insisted on after ball fetching in the fields...she tired of that...seemed disatisfied there was not FLESH contact !

i did try a few forced squeels at her nips...that seemed to confuse her...i never make a noise when hurt myself...she seemed even a bit nervous about these new sounds from me !!! LOL !!! oh, then i thought..she has never heard me SHOUT...so playing with her differently i shouted a few times...first few times she stopped play and looked confused at me...then ignored it and carried on as usual.

No don't hold her down! Just bring her away for a bit and distract her with a tuggie toy or something, wiggled gently.
She's fine, very normal.

Very sweet!

Can I say as well that you MUST be consistent. Read the good info on say the apdt site re puppy biting and stick to it. No holding her down etc as that will just cause her to fight, yes.

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Lindsey, that is interesting comment...the breeders mentioned they thought her brother is timid...i said calm...they replied too timid...this game session was at the END of the hour school class...Fairy was fine...curious ...excited...watching everything running up to people not dogs mostly...the breeders...she recognised them i think..kept lunging at them all excited both of them...

her brother ? he YELPED and RAN in fear a few times from other dogs...Fairy seemed to avoid them easily or whatever am not sure what his problem was...the pups did lunge and bark and yelp a great deal on occasions...Fairy did not seem to be in any of the scuffles i add...might be just luck or that she was focused on people not dogs i noticed.

then her brother ran to me a few times to sit between my legs...maybe for comfort...he seemed a bit fearful yes sometimes...was on lead mostly with owners, Fairy was not...well of course leads and me are not exactly welcome anyhows...she does not run off and it was enclosed anyhows so i was not into this lead thing..Oh he may have copied Fairy for that...when Fairy was a BIT nervous she went and sat between my legs...the trainers told me NOT to stroke her and everyone said the same...it is encouraging her nervousness they said...so i stopped...but Fairy did not seem nervous after that...she sits there if she wants to. most of the time she was lunging around trying to get breeders to stroke her LOL ! they did of course, they adore "petite rouge" as she was called in the litter due to her red collar ribbon.

the brother did not seek her out...but at the end...he DID play with her...that was the most playful i saw him the entire session. they had never met since leaving the nest at 8 weeks old i add...will meet again this friday if the owners carry on.

his owners were appalled at my arms of course...said i should smack her...well lets not go there...they do not have bite marks from their pup. he was and is the biggest of the litter...a male.

Fairy LOVES playing like that with dogs...i would like her to meet some that like it more too.

Aaron's owners said he would SNAP in time to leave them playing..and he DID snap earlier when fed up with bullying i call it...BIT at the other pups even in growls and yelps and barks.

FAiry generally ignores other dogs...if other people are around. she seeks out other dogs to PLAY...if they do not ? too adult ? she BARKS at them seems irritated and wants them out of sight. at the classes...she did not take any notice of a 6 month old pup eye loo of the breeders with them that she had grown up with...circcled to avoid her to get at the breeders always. the other dog was uninterested in her i add too.

i agree totally...CONSISTENCY is hard but necesary with EVERYTHING ! the worst i am sometimes inconsistent about ? titbits...oh i know i am creating a rod for my own back there...she does NOT leap up or hassle me for them...but she does not eat her proper food correctly if she gets some tasty stuff i am eating...AND IT IS TOO EXPENSIVE TO FEED SUCH NICE MOUSSE DE CANARD the French food is DELICIOUS but PRICEY as i insist on the BEST for me !! LOL !!! she gets the BEST DOG FOOD i say to that ! LOL !! HILARIOUS !!

i think...i have done a few stupid things with my pup...but conversely they are part of the reason for what i call her over confidence in some things like this play...i have forbidden her nothing on the bite play until recently...whereas her brother has been taught more calm behaviour obviously...they stopped him doing that fast they told me.

i take her everywhere with me. if she is sick in the car i just mop it up. i stepped on her by accident with heavy shoes a few times, she yelped in pain, then i cuddled her and she is fine. she seemed to recognise accidents i dare say regarding that. i am clumsy by nature i must admit. rough even. i am not very gentle in movements. brusque. not a shouter, but physically brusque the word in French is.

so ? I think Fairy is not phased by sudden movements, sharp actions, shocks...i take no notice of loud motorbikes or bangs around...carry on walking. if she stops to wonder about them i just ignore her. i ignore her if busy too.

if she is tired ? she just has to sleep on my lap or at my feet. i am not molly coddling her - i am selfish by nature and say my pup sleeps without making me be quiet or not do what i want. and she has got used to that.

I get up and take note if she BARKS each time without telling her to be quiet. only if over excited at the kitten i tell her to SHUT UP in French of course. she does with reluctance !! LOL ! i cannot STAND high pitched barks or continuous barks i have to say.

oh i am so pleased you think she is sweet ! i think so too ! all this biting ? well i do not really understand it well yet, but it is hurting me now and i am bruise covered and my friend said people will be AFRAID of my pup seeing so many marks on me and NOT think her sweet ! and even said i could be taken for a druggie with all those marks !! LOL !!!

she just has an INCREDIBLE but true love of HARD BITES and TUGGING skin ! i am avoiding and distracting her to death ! she is so dratted smart she has figured out the CHANGE of course and is annoyed and confused by it i can see. sigh. that is not consistent i recognise...but it HAS to change ! i CANNOT take these punctures much longer ! consistency or no ! LOL !!! my patience when tired is stretched i can tell you at night when i am tired and she is hyper and kicks off a session again !

but seriously, and it could change...she ADORES chewing things ...but ? i have NO PROBLEMS saying NON to specifics like my internet cables RIGHT ABOVE HER HEAD in FRONT OF HER NOSE where she lies chewing her toys papers bottles all sorts...no struggle...she seems to accept...JUST A FEW THINGS she MUST NOT CHEW ! i call that sweet of her...

and one other thing..views i welcome on...related...

i NEVER SMACKED or REWARDED her with titbits for ANYTHING to date...(forget the pooh smack thing) not the NON to stop chewing cables or stop biting the kitten too hard...or coming to me...now...at her TRAINING session...first one...i was criticised for unlike all the others having NO TITBITS to give her when she did things !

but i said...I do not USE titbits ! she does what i want when she understands without them ! i really dislike this reward thing that seems the fashion now sigh...i was told to take titbits next time to teach her the sit...shown how to...but drat it...i can teach her that WITHOUT that ! all i have done is WITHOUT food rewards ! what happens when a pup is nOT HUNGRY ? that is what i think ! my pup i would prefer to learn to obey WITHOUT such rewards !

i CLAP MY HANDS !!! i say GOOD DOG ...c est BIEN ma chienne !! excellent ! and SHE UNDERSTANDS those praise words and actions...her tail goes WILD when i clap my hands at fetching the ball or anything she does i like !

ooh...i am getting a message...i must leave off this interesting forum for a while...she is looking at me rattling a plastic bottle...knows the noise will attire my attention...wants me to do something with her !!! IT IS A DOGS LIFE HERE !! LOL !! and a great one !! LOL !