i did find the website for what regs. are for dogs in and out of the uk...and one point was not clear...it said as i recall one has to have some worming or parasite treament up to 48 hours before coming into the uk...well this thing is a once per year treament..so i wonder..before i find the site again and try and ask ...does anyone know if this is excessive ? surely if one came in 3 times a year one would not keep repeating this treatment 48 hours before arriving ?

It's every single time the animal enters the country. If it comes over every week then it has to have the tick/tapeworm treatment every week.

well thanks..that is what it read like to me ! and i am appalled of course ! am worried of an OVERDOSE ! the breeders here in France sounded shocked by that prospect too ! still...rules is rules...need to know ! ta.

Frontline and Drontal aren't a once per year treatment, it can be used more frequently and is recommended to be used more frequently.

oh good oh, thanks, was about to launch into attacking the authorities...you held me back ! am happy now ! LOL !!

>am worried of an OVERDOSE ! the breeders here in France sounded shocked by that prospect too !

Frontline is licenced to be used every 4 weeks for tick treatment/prevention anyway, and Drontal is also safe to be used monthly, so there's no need to worry on that score if a dog is coming over less frequently than that. Perhaps you can reassure the French breeders you know. :-)

done...and seems we have some to learn from this ...in France a more landscape wild place and hotter these probs are greater than in the uk...they are into all sorts of unpleasant things like collars liquids for the neck i got given yesterday by the vet here is better than collars with insecticides. other dogs and cats would get the stuff in their mouths when they play ! cheers.

This matter of worming and flea treatment within 48 hrs of entry concerns me.   If you are someone who travels a LOT and is continually taking your dogs in and out of the UK, then like Black Fairy, I can see there could be over dosing your dogs with these things.  Additionally, it might not synchronise with your own treatment program. Being cyncical, I can see it might be a nice little earner for European vets.   I do my own worm/flea treatment, this requirement means I would have to visit a vet clinic and pay for treatment.

I know it's all designed to keep 'nasties' out of the UK, but surely they could come up with some other way.

right now, no i will not be making frequent in and out trips...so probably worrying in advance for something not likely. but i did have a concern that if frequent, the rules seem like overdose...i mean a likely scenario is that i come in and out twice within 1 month ! i think i should contact these rule makers...maybe they will apply common sense !

Black Fairy - it is highly unlikely that the rule makers will change their rules because it does not suit your convenience.   I would suggest that you consider whether or not it is essential for you to come in and out of the UK twice a month with your puppy - that time would be better spent training him.

absolutely...i have no intention of letting her loose on all those nice customs people to lick them to death yet ! lol...but it is good to be prepared...and i was amazed...48 hours before coming in...that is really not practical when packing etc to go to a vet too en route timing etc if as i do driving and sleeping over a night or so as i please...i read the rules of course...for my rabbits too...i have 6..i can bring in 5 of them without any formalities...lol...1 too many 1!! lol !! rules is rules !! 1 rabbit more could mixamotose the whole uk !!! makes all the difference ! LOL

> 1 rabbit more could mixamotose the whole uk !!!

Probably not as it is already endemic here, as is also VHD (Rabbit calici virus). So no requirements for vaccinations for rabbits coming into the UK. I would be more worried about your rabbits coming here, and getting a disease from ours! :)  Also I think once rabbits they come here they can't go back. Or, you could maybe take them to shows here :)

This matter of worming and flea treatment within 48 hrs of entry concerns me.   If you are someone who travels a LOT and is continually taking your dogs in and out of the UK, then like Black Fairy, I can see there could be over dosing your dogs with these things.

Then maybe such a person should consider if it was in their dog's best interest to travel so much.

There is one type of tapeworm that is meant to be deadlier than rabies. It's common in many countries on the continent and I for one would most definitely not want to see it here. Unless a vet does the worming/tick treatment there is no guarantee at all it has been done.

Also to add, to clarify for anyone who might be reading this for info, it is not within 48 hours, it is no less than 24 hours and no more than 48 -entry 23 hours after worming etc would be rejected.

> ...i mean a likely scenario is that i come in and out twice within 1 month !

Do you actually mean that you would be coming twice a month all year round?  24 journeys a year seems excessive for any dog owner to be honest.

Marianne is right about her clarification regarding the timescale of treatments.  I attended a lecture this week reiterating the importance of complying with the regulations.  It was made quite clear that one day out just would not be accepted - full stop.

However much anyone doesn't like it - it is legislation, and an animal improperly treated can be removed from you or quarantined - at your expense.  The law is the law.

not regularly no of course not ! am not that mobile! but it is likely i flit in and out within 1 month yes. rules is rules i agree. i forgot my own passport to get INTO France on a day out work trip to Calais from GB...found out they no longer did emergency cards at post offices in the uk...and rules is rules people having 20 guarantors of my colleagues saying i was kosha did not budge them...i missed shopping in Calais...well nieko tokio to that i say...means never mind in Lithuanian...i prefer BOULOGNE !!! LOL ! I do think, in a reasonable case of someone coming in a out 2 times in 1 month, the rules should be different...and i may try my FRENCH DIPLOMATIC SKILLS..which are sadly lacking...to think up some appropriate words for the authorities to CHEW OVER !!! lol...the SPIRIT of the law is the core, protection. Things can be changed if reasonable. but for now...TRAINING this bundle of teddy bear fluff that took unfortunately a nasty whack from me yesterday for refusing to lay of eating dog turds i missed seeing she was into again...sigh sigh...horrible things in France that...just did an email to the local council advising them to follow GB examples and put NOTICES up about whatever obscure obviously disregarded laws they have about that here...AND FINES ! i offered to help them out ! LOL ! they will NOT reply...SULK is the natural reaction to advice here ! LOL !

TRAINING this bundle of teddy bear fluff that took unfortunately a nasty whack from me yesterday for refusing to lay of eating dog turds i missed seeing she was into again...sigh sigh..

That isn't training your dog - it's abusing it

Do I understand from your posts that your puppy is just 10 weeks old?

Should you be walking her where other dogs are being walked when she is too young to have received her vaccinations?   Or is there a different regime for vaccinating puppies in France?   Are you in France or in UK?

but for now...TRAINING this bundle of teddy bear fluff that took unfortunately a nasty whack from me yesterday for refusing to lay of eating dog turds i missed seeing she was into again...sigh sigh.

Are you talking about your Groenendael puppy here? Belgians must be trained with patience and kindness ONLY, otherwise you will end up with a) a dog that is terrified of you, and b) a dog that will refuse to do anything and be as stubborn as only a Belgian can be. They simply cannot be trained well with harsh methods -which is why so many people in the US resort to using electric shock collars for Malinois. :( If trained using praise and treats or toys only,(clicker training is ideal for them) they will do anything for you.

> this bundle of teddy bear fluff that took unfortunately a nasty whack from me yesterday

I just don't believe what I am reading here.  You don't deserve to own a dog, and obviously didn't research dogs before getting one.

Are 24 trips in a train and car going a distance of, say 100 miles or less, any different from going 60-200 miles for dogs shows EVERY week within the UK?  I don't think so.   When showing in Australia most shows were very often around 100 - 200 miles from where I lived, NOT that I showed every weekend far from it, but just to point out your argument is a tad skewed.

I am very well away of the need for quarantine requirements,  I've recently returned from living over 30 years in Australia, and believe me they are even more strict than here, so I have no problems with complying.  However, now that the PETS is in place and Europeans who do show or work their dogs are more able to come to the UK on a regular basis, then surely there should be some way of ensuring vaccinations and other treatments are current without it being damaging to the dog. 

Btw, I had to have rabies vaccinations and blood test for my dogs before they could travel from a RABIES FREE country to a RABIES FREE country, yet I don't see too many UK owners getting their dogs vaccinated for rabies.

Are 24 trips in a train and car going a distance of, say 100 miles or less, any different from going 60-200 miles for dogs shows EVERY week within the UK?

Cant say I've ever met somebody who is showing every weekend. Maybe the top 2,3 people in the dog fancy, if that. For a start, who could afford to?

Personally I'm not going to make that many trips, if I make any at all, it was someone else who suggested it as a figure.  I just don't see going via Eurostar as being any worse than carting a dog/s around this country however many times you do it and for whatever reason.

> I just don't see going via Eurostar

Unfortunately Eurostar won't allow dogs, to travel through the tunnel you have to use a car.

Wish they did as would make my planned trip to USA with my girl a lot easier.

I don't think the PETS passport was ever envisioned to be used for regular frequent travel with a pet.

In fact mien that have one have only ever used it once each, two for a show, and one to travel to be mated.  The European shows are more expensive and in my breed the level of competition would be less than at home so not really worth the bother.

Apologies for the Euro tunnel error.  I know that's they way dogs need to travel, if not by ferry.

What you said about the PETS passport never being envisioned for use by the frequent traveller is right, and that's what's wrong with it.  Once again people didn't look at all eventualities before they brought this in.  I am NOT saying it's a heap of rubbish, it isn't, but for those who chose to travel on a frequent basis there should be some alternative plan in place.

I would love to be able to go through the tunnel with my dogs on a whim or pre planned, I live close enough to the coast for this to be possible, but I wouldn't want to be shoving poisons into my dog unnecessarily.

ref. the smack for eating dog turds comments - it made her very sick and could be worse if she continued to eat these things. attempting to bite me for trying to stop her, as is any such behaviour in any dog, needs firm handling and a smack is needed sometimes. i have no intention of having a sick dog or vomit more than once in my car as happened following the turd incident. whatever the attractions of a turd to eat. the wretched state of her twice now from obviously nasty things in turds, are far worse than a smack on bottom. she LISTENS now when i say NO and pulled a donkey one this weekend out of her mouth with no growls or attacks on me etc from her. ONE SMACK did the job. Does not have to be hard, just the shock and understanding - that NO MEANS NO and to use her animal force against me ? well she has understood - 2 can play at that game - so best not to. Dogs puppies bite each other in fun...if they go too far - the parent gives them a nasty bite to cool them down. i did no more than that.

the vaccins...to reply specifically...in France are done at very early ages in stages...the last ones when 10 weeks old about.

reading her passport and booklet stamps...she has had...

26 mar 2010 primodog aged then 6 weeks about

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then...pneumodeo and canigen

virbec
chpp 2tgu
l 202u
merial
pneumodog l354531

on 7 april 2010 when she was...8 weeks old then...

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one month later she had them again.
eurican chpp
eurican L
pneumodog
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she has taken worming tablets every 2 weeks to date. the next dose in 1 month now she is 3 months old then when 6 months old 2 times a year.

Rabies ? not yet vaccin...anytime now after 3 months old is ok vet said. in no hurry, maybe next week. would like to know if she will feel sick after it...fever or anything...and leave it a while if so. hardly any rabies anymore in France. hundreds not thousands i think per year of cases reported. maybe a thousand or 2...much reduced.

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she was able to go out on the streets and meet vaccinated other dogs at 8 weeks old and before i add. after her last vaccins...she can meet unvaccinated dogs. and has done.

In the UK you would not normally take a puppy to walk where other dogs may have been until a week after the last vaccination (we don't routinely do Rabies) so normally between 11 and 13 weeks old.

Until then puppies are carried or taken to Friends and relatives with dogs whose health status we know.