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Topic Dog Boards / Health / Mucas in poo
- By scotgal2009 [gb] Date 08.05.10 10:23 UTC
Recently my pup (7 months) has had
mucas in his poo, not all the time it's never his first poo usualy his third. It's like it's covered with see thro White stuff, some times he does a tiny poo and it's only mucas. He's wormed up to date and his body weight is fab his diet is Arden grange kibble and natures diet.

Anyone know what it could be? He seems perfectly normal buy I'm a bit worried (and it's disgusting!!!)
- By Nova Date 08.05.10 11:20 UTC
Would seem that something is irritating his bowl, could be almost anything from stomach acid to rubbish picked up on his walk. The mucus is produced to protect the lining of the digestive tract and in it's self is not a problem and is often seen after a bout of diarrhoea however if you are seeing this all the time there may be a problem. How many times a day are you feeding? Have you changed his food of late? If he were mine I would stick to the one food for a while, the AG, and see if the problem cleared. 
- By dogsdinner [gb] Date 08.05.10 11:38 UTC
Same reply as Nova, something is irritating the large intestine.  Initially try him with just the AG, if you do not see any improvement pop him into the vet and take a faecal sample with you - then can run tests to rule out camploybacter etc.
- By scotgal2009 [nl] Date 08.05.10 12:15 UTC
Thanks for the replys.

He has the runs for quote sometime until he got changed onto AG and natures diet it's been about five weeks since they have stopped.

The thing is I have to feed him the natures diet with the ag or he won't touch the kibble! It's a bit of a nightmare he's so fussy
- By Pedlee Date 08.05.10 12:20 UTC
Why not just feed the ND, it is a complete food afterall?
- By Nova Date 08.05.10 12:41 UTC
I have never used ND is it a cooked wet food?
- By dogsdinner [gb] Date 08.05.10 12:41 UTC
If he had the runs for sometime, it is possible that he had an underlying infection of the large intestine, that is possibly why he is still passing mucous.

Just pop him into your vet as said above - they will give him medication to stop it.
- By scotgal2009 [gb] Date 08.05.10 13:00 UTC
His poo is normal now appart from the one a day slimey poo!

Is the nd ok to feed on it's own?! This makes like so much easier (and cheaper!) he really doesn't like any kibble unless it's mixed with the nd that he adores!
- By dogsdinner [gb] Date 08.05.10 13:04 UTC
This link may help with regard to the Nature Diet.

http://www.naturediet.co.uk/advicepuppyfeedingguide.html
- By scotgal2009 [nl] Date 08.05.10 13:16 UTC
ive just been reading there site. I always thought they needed kibble ontop of the wet stuff as he used to get AG wet with the kibble as thats what they recommended but he hated there wet stuff so thats why i bought ND which he loves,

Thanks for all your help i will get a sample to the vet monday
- By Nova Date 08.05.10 13:25 UTC Edited 08.05.10 13:29 UTC
Had a look at the ND site but I am still unsure how sterile this food is which is why I suggested using only AG - under the circumstances I would try serving AG with either a pilchard in tomato sauce or a meat product you have produced yourself like chicken cooked in water and then liquidised to form a thick gravy to add to the AG. Alternatively change to a tinned food that is sterile.

Once your boy has been stable for about 4 weeks then you can start adding the ND again.

If you can't stop this in the next week I would take him and a sample to the vet.
- By scotgal2009 [gb] Date 08.05.10 14:33 UTC
Is nd not sterile?! He's so fussy I have tried him with other things like chicken and lamb or tripe and he won't touch it unless nd is in it.
- By Pedlee Date 08.05.10 14:41 UTC
Nova - Why would the ND not be sterile and a tinned would? And how can you tell from the website?

I fed ND on its own for years, without kibble added, and as I said before it is a complete food designed to be fed alone.
- By Nova Date 08.05.10 16:40 UTC
I don't know if it is not or not as I have never used it, from the site I could not work out how it was prepared. Just giving the best advice I could to the OP - as you know most dogs would come to no harm with being fed the content of the dustbin but as the puppy has a problem careful feeding for a few weeks would seem in order.

If the ND is cooked within the selling container then it probably is sterile I just don't know if it is or not, unlike human food that is prepared and packaged it is not reheated to a level that would render it sterile when it is served to dogs so I was concerned that it should be given to a dog that had a stomach problem - tinned food is cooked in the tin and is therefore sterile until you open it.
- By dogsdinner [gb] Date 08.05.10 16:42 UTC
I have also looked at the website and cannot see anywhere that says that it is unsterile.  Surely the company would not sell food for dogs if there was any reason to think that it would be harmful.
- By Nova Date 08.05.10 16:50 UTC
I am not saying that there is anything wrong with the ND food but it seems to be semi cooked food sold in plastic packaging, I may be wrong. If it is then if is not cooked in the selling container or may not be cooked in the selling container and is therefore not as safe as food taken straight from a tin. If I am wrong all well and good but I could not tell what the food was or how it was prepared from a quick look at the web site.

When I asked what it was instead of being told by someone who uses it I was directed to the web site and from that I am not sure what it is or how it is produced.

I will repeat I am sure it is a perfectly good and adequate food for dogs but I could not suggest it for a dog with a stomach problem because I do not know anything about it.
- By Jeangenie [gb] Date 08.05.10 16:59 UTC Edited 08.05.10 17:09 UTC

>it seems to be semi cooked food sold in plastic packaging,


No, it's cooked and vacuum packed, so no less sterile than a tin of food - more so, if the tin is dented.

>from the site I could not work out how it was prepared


Information about Naturediet sterilisation.
- By dogsdinner [gb] Date 08.05.10 17:47 UTC

> When I asked what it was instead of being told by someone who uses it I was directed to the web site and from that I am not sure what it is or how it is produced.
>


It was me that directed the original OP to the website, in order that she may find out about the food for herself - seems like a good idea.  And also if anyone else wanted to know more facts regarding NatureDiet they could then also look it up forthemselves.
- By Nova Date 08.05.10 18:45 UTC Edited 08.05.10 18:48 UTC
Thank you JG - in which case there should be no problem in serving it in this situation unless there is an ingredient in either food that is causing the problem, which is why serving one or the other for a while would be the best way to go. If he will not eat AG alone then perhaps just give him ND

Taken a look at the sterilisation information but it seems more about why they do not use a tin - would guess they use a microwave but they do not say - or do they.
- By Lacy Date 08.05.10 22:14 UTC
I had both of ours on ND for some time, prefering a wet food to kibble. All dogs are different and I know many thrive on it and I am not saying it is the cause of your pups problem but we had the same. Both suffered from colitis and it did not improve on ND, mucas, blood and poos covered in what I can only describe as a mucas membrane similar to a sausage. Packaging often damaged (I bought it by the box) and lost count of the times I returned packets that had blown, having said that it could have been down to the outlet and believe their control is alot better now.  I would as suggested stick to one complete food at a time if he's got a problem.
- By scotgal2009 [gb] Date 10.05.10 08:08 UTC
Hes not had the AG kibble for 48 hours and no mucas in poo!!
- By Pedlee Date 10.05.10 08:11 UTC
Glad to hear that!
- By scotgal2009 [gb] Date 10.05.10 09:27 UTC
So happy! Plus he loves me even more for not putting kibble through his meat! He eats his meals in one go rather than picking at it.

:-)
- By Blue Date 10.05.10 10:43 UTC
Have you been chopping and changing his food a lot? I remember seeing various posts of different food questions?

Are you possibly feeding him just a little too much?

Just some thoughts.
- By scotgal2009 [gb] Date 10.05.10 12:49 UTC
Hes been on a couple of diff foods purely because he kept going off a food. ND is the first food hes ate constantly for a few months and i know you will say not to change his food if he stops eating it, but i was a nervous wreck as he went a few days without eating and since being a pup i was worried it would cause problems...

But im not going to change him from ND as he really does like it and i will just be putting a rod up my own back to change it when he fancys something different.
- By Nova Date 10.05.10 12:55 UTC
If he likes ND and does well on it I would stick to that and only that, dogs do not need to have a change of food and many do best when the same diet is served throughout their lives.
- By Blue Date 10.05.10 13:22 UTC
Stick to this food for a while and control the amount.

Another clue in over feeding is the turning their noses up.  (Been there done it)   Feed what they need and they will eat it honestly.

Dogs who do take in a big feed can on occasion not bother with a meal or two.

Sounds like you are on the right track just don't over feed. :-)
- By scotgal2009 [gb] Date 10.05.10 13:34 UTC
I have been advised to give him one tub of the Nd which he eats very happily, sometimes he even looks like he can have more. I split it into 3 meals as he still seems to enjoy this.

When would you say its a right time to cut him down to 2? Morning and night im thinking?

Or is 3 ok? He gets fed before i leave for work at 6am then he gets fed at midday before my man goes to work then he gets fed at 6pm when i have my tea.
- By Nova Date 10.05.10 13:49 UTC
Because he has had a stomach problem I would stick to the 3 meals a day for a while yet then cut to 2 - mind you is you want to continue feeding 3 times a day there is no reason why you should not but it could become an inconvenience. Some people will say once a day at about 14 months but I prefer to give food twice a day throughout the dog life.
- By scotgal2009 [gb] Date 10.05.10 15:37 UTC
3 times a day is convenient for us and he is in the routine. I could never feed once a day!! Poor dug!! haha
- By scotgal2009 [gb] Date 18.05.10 11:19 UTC
The new cooking process is an aseptic system that protects from pathogenic contamination, and cooks the ingredients using steam fusion at very high speed; this quicker method of sterilisation ensures more of the nutrients are retained within the product. The ingredients are then, unlike before, hot-filled into the pack which does result in a different appearance on opening with a shinier surface. The old method involved putting the mix in the pack whilst cold and cooking under steam pressure.

All these developments have been aimed at reducing the effects that cooking has on raw materials; destruction of nutrients increases as cooking intensifies, therefore the less processed and cooked an ingredient, the more nutrients are retained. This has always been one of our driving forces as a food manufacturer and as the most natural diet for a canine is of uncooked meat, we endeavour to produce a product as close as possible to the natural state.

That was for who ever questioned how its packed etc. :-)
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