Hi, just been chatting with a friend about Kennel Club registration of puppies and I'm curious to know what other breeders do when it comes to registering a litter. 

In order for me to place an endorsement on pups I have to register them in my name. The ownership would then have to be transferred from myself to the eventual puppy owner.  This obviously incurs two fees. As I see it, I have two options. 

(a) I register the litter in my name (enabling me to place the endorsements), price included in sale, and then the new owner is responsible for registering the pup in their name, they then pay the transfer fee.
or
(b) I register them in my name (to place the endorsements). I then transfer to the new owner paying the fee myself, including it in purchase price. This would increase the price over option (a).

I could register straight into new owner names but that's not an option. The endorsements are an important 'control' tool for want of a better phrase.

Thanks,

I just register the puppies in my name, place the endorsements and then the new owners transfer ownership at their own cost. This has been the case when I have bought in a pup and I think it is perfectly acceptable.

Just register them into your name with the endorsements and leave it up to the new owners to transfer them at their own cost (which is minimal) if they want to. Many don't bother.

Breeders only pay to register the litter and receive the documentation. (And order the KC pedigree if they wish.) :-)

A breeder just signs and dates the registration document ready for transfer and should never pay for transfer of ownership what if something goes wrong the owner drops out at the very last minute, drops dead, (it can happen) the pups paperwork is then no longer yours, you'd have to find a way for it to be transfered back, you'd need the signature of the would be owner of the pup, it would be such a palava.

You only transfer the document on the day of collection, the new owner then fills in the rest of the form and posts it off as the new owner, they can then also order the BRS, A3 or A4 size pedigree changed into their name too if they wish. But it should never be changed until the pup is in the possession of the new owner  and is something the new owner does. :-)

I've never heard of a breeder transferring the pups to the new owners' names and would never do it for the reasons stated. The great majority never bother anyway unless they are going to show. In a litter of ten I bred in 2008 seven are still registered to me. Doesn't matter the slightest.

> The great majority never bother anyway unless they are going to show. In a litter of ten I bred in 2008 seven are still registered to me

And I have always found it to be a very good heads up when they suddenly transfer them into their own name, my pups are endorsed and in is seldom a coincedence that owners act around when the bitch is 18 months...... I'm refering to boxers of course.

Cavalier buyers all transfer immediately for some reason ;-) so I have to drum it home early on that I will not lift their endorsements and will proceed through the court if they break our contract.

>(a) I register the litter in my name (enabling me to place the endorsements), price included in sale, and then the new owner is responsible for registering the pup in their name, they then pay the transfer fee.

The cost of the puppy has always included the cost of registration. No extra fee is added to add the cost of the registration so this statement puzzles me. Only the breeder can register the litter nowadays so people will expect to pay for a KC registered pup if so advertised. It does not cost any extra to add the endorsements at the time of initial registration. It is then up to the owners (and always has been) to pay to transfer the registration into their names.

>I could register straight into new owner names.

No, you can't. You can only register them into your own name.

>(a) I register the litter in my name (enabling me to place the endorsements), price included in sale, and then the new owner is responsible for registering the pup in their name, they then pay the transfer fee.

The cost of the puppy has always included the cost of registration. No extra fee is added to add the cost of the registration so this statement puzzles me.

Option (a) would incur an extra cost to the new owner. In addition to the puppy purchase price (including KC registeration, albeit in my name), they would then incur an additional amount of money when they pay the KC to transfer the ownership of the pup into their name.

No, you can't. You can only register them into your own name.

Ah, well that depends ... if you have a very special breed of dog :-) :-) you can register them straight into the new puppy owner's name ...

Many thanks for these quick responses.  You've all pretty much said what I'd thought to be the best route, and certainly the route my breeder mentor follows, that is let the new owners sort out transfer of ownership to themselves.  It's marginally complicated in that I have to register the pups with another registry so new owners have two sets of transfer of ownership fees to pay for.  It just seemed a tad tight. But as most have said, they either will or they wont transfer, and it doesn't matter if they don't feel the need to do so.
Thanks again :-)

"Cavalier buyers all transfer immediately for some reason"

In my experience not everyone bothers to.

> I could register straight into new owner names but that's not an option. The endorsements are an important 'control' tool for want of a better phrase.
>

You can't register a litter into the new owners names, all the litter are registered to you and each owner then can transfer them to their names for a fee.

Some people don't bother and that is why according to the kennel club I still have over 20 dogs in my name ;)

Ah, well that depends ... if you have a very special breed of dog   you can register them straight into the new puppy owner's name ...

Out of interest only - how?  Surely as the breeder you would initially want the puppies registered in your name?

Just registered my litter and all are in my name.
It doesnt actually cost much for the new owner to transfer into their name.
I wouldnt do it any other way.

> I could register straight into new owner names but that's not an option. The endorsements are an important 'control' tool for want of a better phrase.

I don't understand this, if we are talking about the UK Kennel Club, this is certainly not an option, as the pups can only be registered in the name of the breeder, who owns the bitch at time of mating, you can't register a litter in a whole lot of different names.

I think it could be ISDS registration

Toffeecrisp - I wouldn't do it any other way either.  I was just interested to know how it could be done as I thought the bitches owner had to register the litter.

I think it could be ISDS registration

Yes, you're right. If both Border Collies are KC registered, then you have to do a KC litter registration Form 1.
However, if both parents are only ISDS registered, OR 1 parent ISDS registered and 1 parent ISDS & KC registered, then I can register the litter first with the ISDS in the new owner's name and then register them with the KC using a Form 9.

As it is, I have one parent dual reg, the other currently just ISDS reg, but I will be using a Form 1 as I want the endorsements in place.  I was really just posting out of curiousity to know whether the majority of people let the new owner pick up the bill for the transfer of ownership to themselves.  It seems that is the case.

>>I think it could be ISDS registration
>Yes, you're right.

The confusion arose because the topic heading specifically refers to KC registration ...

It was actually KC registration I was asking about ... only re whether the fees for transfer were absorbed by breeder or passed to owner.  The other bit only came in as people started saying I had to register litter with KC in my name and not owners!  Trouble with these forums ... you ask one thing and then everything gets covered! ;-) ;-)  Also quite interesting to go off at tangents, well, I think so in the majority of cases.

Basically registration is included in the price of the puppy, and with the KC can only be in the breeder's name. If an owner wants to transfer the registration to their name they pay the £15.

Hi, yes, thanks for that. I think it's the best option to allow the new owners to pay any transfer fee if and when they want to (it did just seem a bit tight, specially as I register with another authority so there are 2 lots of fees to be paid).  Easiest all round I think if they pay it though.  But, as mentioned, as I do have a very special (being humorous here ;-) although they really are very special ... ) I can register the pups in the name of the new owners without putting myself down!

However, that's all off track.  As intially mentioned I do want to register in my name so I can apply endorsements.  Many thanks for all your responses, we're sorted now ... until the next question!!