Is someone is asking for a copy of the pedigree what would that be and has every dog got one?

A pedigree certificate shows the bloodlines of a dog, it goes back for generations and also shows the champions in the pedigree if there are any :-) It shows that a dog and it's lines are full pedigree dogs.

However, if a pedigree is not also with a KC registration and transfer of ownership certificate then there is no proof that it is legitimate at all.

The pedigree is a family tree, every purebred one has a known pedigree and the details are held with the kennel club since the breeds were recognised so in theory you could go back to the foundation of the breed, but it would be huge.

Normally a five generation pedigree is given with a puppy along with it's registration papers (which in the UK only show the parents details).

There are different ways of presenting them, but the box style is the most usual in the UK.

First you have the parents Dad first then Mum, then next to each of them you have their parents and so on.

And no not every dog has got one, if they don't then there is no proof it is a pedigree dog though. :-)

Would the breeder of my dog have a copy of this then if there is one? Or would she of given me a copy when i brought my pup?

My Type of dog isn't a reconised breed and she is also a cross do some breeders still do Pedigree certificates for this?

Just read the other posts thanks for yur replies :) I guess my dog prob hasn't got one then seeing as she isn't a pedigree.

A pedigree is a list of ancestors, so any dog even a mongrel has a pedigree known or unknown.

so you could have a total cross with a pedigree if its ancestors are all known (unlikely) or it could be a total work of fiction.

The purpose of a pedigree is to know which dogs and therefore which traits are in yoru dogs ancestry (as people will know or know people that knew) the individuals in question.

So for example I know where the little cow lick/ridge that some of my pups have on their muzzles came from, as my foundation bitch had this trait, and on asking her breeder she could tell me (and show me photos of other ancestors that also had this trait.

Now this is a silly example as it snit important, but when it comes to health, temperament and good and desired traits, working ability or physical features all ancestors have a potential impact on future generations, and that is what pedigrees are for a breeders tool, as any dog is much more than what you see before you, it also carries traits from it;s ancestors which you may or may not want to bring out.

Thanks thats really helpful I now understand and can will contact my breed to see if she has one or not :)

Your not on your own in being disappointed many people are paying extremely high prices for designer dogs and 'new' breeds which aren't really new breeds at all, just infact crosses, only the KC can declare a new breed. It's a shame people pay out so much money and don't even have a family tree for their dog and get caught up in the hype.

Just give your dog a hug, what breeds is she? :-)

> Thanks thats really helpful I now understand and can will contact my breed to see if she has one or not :-)

but will it be any use to you?  I gather you haven't studied any of the breeds involved, and do not know any of the ancestors, so a pedigree if there is one will just be a collection of names, and as it won't be verifiable as it isn't registered/recorded anywhere official, it is a bit pointless.

As I understand it your pup is a crossbreed, and should not be used for breeding anyway, and if the breeder didn't even provide (or possibly didn't even keep) pedigree records, then I doubt there was a real ethical purpose behind the breeding anyway  (in my opinion the prson who bred the pup is an irrepsonsible perosn driven by commercial motivation for the current fashion).

Using two established, but very different and specialised breeds to mix with a mish mash of lines of dogs whose breeders purport to be founding a new breed, but have split off into loads of factions (Northern Inuit, Tamascan,  etc etc) and no-one can agree the direction or purpose of the breeding, all seems rather pointless.

Why anyone would want to cross Saarloos or Chech Wolfdog with wolf look alike crossbreeds is beyond me as the mental traits the cross breed breeders want is of a companion animal with wolfie looks, nto a dog that has true wolf cahracteristics, whcih maek them a very specialised kidn of dog to keep..

There are over 200 breeds in the UK alone, that have true breeding traits to choose from.

You have a cross bred puppy.

It is known that GSD figure largely in all the breeds/crosses involved, so studying the health issues, characteristics of this breed may be useful.

In most peoples experience when you cross any of the independent minded Spitz breeds (those with primitive wolfie looks like my own breed, Huskies etc) you find that the independent primitive nature predominates, so the mistaken belief that adding GSD will give you a sled dog that is more biddable/reliable off lead to recall is a total fallacy.

Most of the Spitz breeds are bold and friendly,a and this does to some extent temper the guarding traits of the GSD,b ut again, it's across so a  pup may take after one parent or another more.

Now the true wolf-dog breeds, that actually were part wolf to begin with, you have a totally different animal mentally to any of the above.  They will have more of the traits that have been bred out of dogs through domestication, in other words much more natural wariness, pack mentality etc. 

The closest you might get to these would be the re-domesticated still sometimes wild living Canaan dog, which was a case but more recent, like the dingo of reversal of domestication.

You have a lot of study of a lot of breeds to do, I wish you luck, takes all my time to study the one breed I am involved with.

I was wondering if it could be something like the N.I where there may be a chance of an ancestary as they are choosing stocks and doing hips etc, so would have some sort of record as to which dogs they had in their breeding programme. But other than that I doubt our OP will be lucky after all if it were a cross that has been going for a while with a valid reason at being recognised as a new breed the breeder would have offered a family tree to start with.

A friend of my nieces recently called round very excitedly with her 'new' breed a pug x JR she so thought that she had a special new breed paid £500 for it too, unfortuantley my niece had to break the news to her that she just had a cross breed and had paid £450 too much. :-(

Carrington you have guessed right this is the pups background as related by the OP in another thread:

By kerryhann   Date 06.04.10 13:33 GMT I have a 8 1/2 month old bitch her dad was half sarloos wolf quarter inuit and quarter Czech wolf and her mum was an unregistered inuit. I did a little bit of research before we brought her but probably no where near enough and now want to find out as much about each of the breeds as possible so that I can give Maisie a good life.............

Ummm I would be very suspect sorry!!  The person who has the other name for Northern Inuit, totally and utterly believes that her dog is nearly all wolf which we all know is totally untrue.  She also said that her breeder is the only one breeding them which again is not true.  They are doing heart and hipscoring tests though which I suppose has to be a slightly good thing??? 

Think that they are keeping records on some of the dogs, but others I doubt are anything like the breeds that they are supposed to be.

Whats an OP short for????

but will it be any use to you?

It would be very useful because it would give me some more information on my lovely girl and it would be interesting to have and it would be nice to know more about my pups back ground, but the breeder prob doesnt have one as she prob used the breeds Saarlooos and Czech so that she could sell the puppies (as you have said below)for more and i gulliby beleived her and didnt know enough about the breeds at the time to ask the right questions. however i think maisie is worth every penny:)

As I understand it your pup is a crossbreed, and should not be used for breeding anyway, and if the breeder didn't even provide (or possibly didn't even keep) pedigree records, then I doubt there was a real ethical purpose behind the breeding anyway  (in my opinion the prson who bred the pup is an irrepsonsible perosn driven by commercial motivation for the current fashion).

A Northern Inuit is a dog that is bred to look like a wolf but doesnt have any wolf at all in them how can this lady say that they are nearly all wolf, it's information like that that is confusing me in my thirst for knowledge. there seems to be alot of information on the internet that is wrong and Contradicts itself there isnt anything in black and white telling you what breeds are what when it comes to the wolfdog breeds thats why I am turning to chat forum and going to contact some local breeders and other wolfdog owners to do my research :)

It would be very useful because it would give me some more information on my lovely girl and it would be interesting to have and it would be nice to know more about my pups back ground,

Thank you Brainless for the breeds here. :-)

OP means original poster kerryhann,

The breeder can help in giving you the parents and grandparents at least, just tell the breeder you are very interested in which parents are mixed with which breed and how much of each breed is in your pup. But to be honest it really isn't going to make much difference to you in trying to work out what traits, personality, temperament or size she will end up,  as she could take on the genes from the minority breed running through her blood. I can understand you wishing to know, but it is really pointless. If I were you I would read up about all the breeds conected with your pup and just expect everything or anything. :-)

> A Northern Inuit is a dog that is bred to look like a wolf but doesn't have any wolf at all in them

That is correct, but unfortunately many of them do not look Wolfie enough, just like sled dog crosses.

I suspect that is why this person has very ignorantly and irresponsibly introduced Saarloos/Czech Wolf-dog as these breeds of dog originate from a  mix of Wolf and GSD, and therefore do look far more like a wolf (which ancestrally they are), than any cross.

The main reason this should not be done is that the mental characteristics of these breeds is not what the Inuit et al breeders supposedly intended (easy going pet dog looking wolf like dog).

Anyway as to Maisie I think to start with she will need a lot of socialisation (to try and counter any shy/wary tendencies, as well as to limit inappropriate guarding), prey drive is likely to be high, so do not allow near livestock or small pets, and also it is very unlikely as she matures that you will have a reliable recall, ans she should not be allowed off lead except in fully enclosed and dog proof areas.

She may have a tendency to be an escape artist, so extra security in the garden would be wise, this means ensuring she can neither dig out or climb/jump out, and a dog that size may find 6 foot very little deterrent, so some security type fencing may be needed the kind that leans in at the top.

She may or may not be same sex/dog dominant, but plenty of positive associations with other dogs may help keep this trait in check.

God luck, I am sure she is beautiful