Is it just me be becoming a grumpy old woman , but why do people have to react at shows as if its a football match, shouting and screaming and even jumping in the air (outside the ring) , when one of their dogs is wins a class or higher honours , years ago there was  manners and etiqute (sorry cant spell it) a hearty round of applause , hugs etc at shows but that seems to have gone by the wayside these days, maybe its a sign of the times and i am just stuck in the past !

I agree, whilst it's nice to be pleased and excited they seem to forget that other people are still showing!! I think warm applause is  more fitting.

All depends on the breed it seems, in many breeds you'd be lucky if one person claps, in other breeds people scream and shout. Personally I think it's less good manners to not react at all. :)

An observation...........if it happens in the States -wait a few years and it will start happening here.

Have to agree, think it's very OTT.  It's happening in my main breed at the moment but prefer that to the Pomeranian world where I was once told off for clapping a winning class!

Most people still have manners Newfienook its just a few who tend to go over the top.
Been awhile since ive seen a good luck handshake though or evan a well done one.

oh how I agree with OP......all this screeching and yelping.....its like one of those ghastly day time american tv shows one sees :( :( Funny how its certain "types" of breeds where it happens as well!!!!

I can't stand the  slow hand clapping when open or the challenge is on, happened briefly in my breed at Crufts and I sat arms firmly crossed (probably looked like a right misery :( ) It's a continental thing, didn't think we did it over here.

I think it happens in more breeds than you imagine, Dobes spring to mind as one of the worst (obviously I am limited to the days i go to comment lol)  Sometimes notice it in Newfs if we are near them ;-) Only one small faction of Sibes do it and they aren't often at Shows, mostly in sibes you are lucky to get a smattering of applause!  I do like it when it is spontaneous - you can hear the difference, and you know people are pleased for the winner.

In Mals it was beginning to get a habit at one point until it was clearly pointed out in the breed notes - think it was called a claque, don't notice it with them anymore

How about manners Inside the ring? I experienced a lack of them this weekend!

It is happening in breeds associated with ours recently.  It got to the point where our judging had to stop because of the screaching and yelling in the next ring, and the best bit was the person who got the CC that day put on facebook that everyone was thrilled for her and even the judging in the next ring stopped to celebrate with her!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Noooooooo! The judging had to stop because the noise was ridiculous!  I'm all for clapping and being pleased for the winners, don't even mind the odd cheer it all adds to the occasion for the winner but when you get the manic cheering and shouting when a dog is only being moved for the judge and hasn't been placed in its class yet I think should be stopped by the steward (wouldn't like to be a steward!!! ).  I agree manners in the ring are deteriorating as well, many times this year when my dog has won his class I haven't had a well done from the lower placed folk.  No matter if I cannot stand the person who has beaten my dog I will always smile politely and say well done as its only good manners and I would not want to be known as a bad loser. 

All though some one 'bullied' me in the challenge, I still congratulated them on their win afterwards. As my dad always says "Manners cost nothing"

I also hate the very loud "Yeeeeeesssssssssss" when some one has won! ha ha It just sounds so silly to me.

Hi All,

Unfortunately this has very little to do with dog shows...it is everywhere. We can only lead by example (imho) and feel sorry for those not fortunate enough to have manners.
An old teacher of mine once told me that "the inability to disagree without becoming disagreeable is a sure sign of a dullard" not very PC I know but he was 77 in 1984! Perhaps the same could be said of the inability to win (or lose) with good grace?
But to answer Newfienooks questions-yes you are a grumpy old person-welcome aboard!! :-))

Bad enough the ringside manners, we have had a couple of incidents where people in our breed have gone into the ring after judging a berated the judge for there decison.  Bad loser or what!!!!!!

oh I saw that a few years ago in foxhounds abbypap......i even wrote to the dog press about it, it was disgraceful

At cruft this year in the challenge for BOB when the dog moved no one made a sound then when the bitch moved quite a few people began to clap which looked like a sign to the judge (it went to the referee) that she should be the choice, I and a lot of other people were shocked and said out loud that is it was inappropriate. I felt it was unfair to the handler/owner of the dog and must have flustered him slightly luckily he was an experience handler and it didnt show , I thought he deserved to enjoy his 'moment ' as much as the bitch who by the way won quite deserverdly so... but in fairness to the competition would have made it more enjoyable to watch.

for goodness sake,  a lot of you on hear sound like boring old f***s,  isnt dog showing our hobby, something to be enjoyed, so what is wrong with a bit noise around the ring, i think it is great when people are enjoying themselves, clapping, the odd cheer, or a whoo whoo and even the odd yesssssssssssssss !   having said this you must still be respectfull of other people and judging that is going on in other rings and act acordingly.  we are still there to have a good time, win or loose,  and the slow hand clapping on the " continent " by this i think you mean europe,  arnt we part of europe or are we still stiff upper lipped english people.   life is to short, enjoy yourself while you can,  smile, shake hands  you never know you might not be here for the next show.

as far as manners are concerned the one thing that really annoys me is when the class winners are standing in the ring waiting for their rossettes and as soon as the first or second place has got theirs in their hand they walk out of the ring before everyone else has theirs,  i think this is so rude.

>isnt dog showing our hobby, something to be enjoyed

Yes. A lot of noise in echoey halls can scare a lot of dogs, even those with sound temperaments, so loud outbursts should be avoided out of consideration for the dogs. Polite applause is one thing - a noisy clamour is another.

>having said this you must still be respectfull of other people and judging that is going on in other rings and act acordingly.

Exactly.

> as far as manners are concerned the one thing that really annoys me is when the class winners are standing in the ring waiting for their rossettes and as soon as the first or second place has got theirs in their hand they walk out of the ring before everyone else has theirs,  i think this is so rude.

Not sure what shows you go to but the ones I go to 1st & 2nd stay in the ring for their critique.

> Not sure what shows you go to but the ones I go to 1st & 2nd stay in the ring for their critique. <IMG class=qButton title="Quote selected text" alt="Quote selected text" src="/images/mi_quote.gif" width=20 height=10>

Yes our breed do too.

" sound like boring old f***s, "  - I plead guilty to that implication if that is how you describe disapproving of whooing, slow hand clapping etc. Having consideration for other exhibits is no bad thing, I call it manners. There was a display of noisy outburst in the ring next to us at National Terrier, can't say it helped the 6 month pups being shown for the first time. Some of the recent behaviour belongs on a sports pitch somewhere.
As I'm 48 next week maybe I am now "old" :)

ho1mer,

In response to your post and the use of the expression "boring old f***ts". I'm not sure that intemperate displays of emotion are necessarily "interesting" or desirable - age has nothing to do with it. I don't view the kind of behaviour under discussion as european in any way; whoops and wild yelling and clapping are the stuff of 90's USA chat show imports- Ricky Lake et al, yawn! What we are talking about is the wholesale americanisation of our culture. I feel that there are many other ways to express approval and to enjoy life, a bit more of the stiff upper lip would make a refreshing change. I grew up with Amercians and there's a lot to love about them, but let's leave the whoo whoos, wild cheering and general acting out of every emotion, to the baseball pitch.   

I'm not old and I don't think I'm boring, I may do the other bit though now and again LOL!  It is inappropriate and have to say in 30 years of showing the 1st and 2nd placed dogs always stay in the ring after the other dogs have had their rosettes, so not sure which shows you go to, but it's very unusual that what you see happen happens because as others have said they have to stay in the ring to get their critiques done.

And just to stick my comment in too....  I'm all for good manners and am sometimes the only person clapping the winners (when I say winners, I don't just mean 1st place) of classes (much to my children's disgust!), and generally don't like loads of cheering and whooping - but I did enjoy it at the weekend when a huge cheer went up for me as I ran in for the challenge at our breed champ show!!!

don't get me wrong i'm all for clapping etc, (after the dogs have been placed)
its the whopping and cheering as certain dogs go round i find out of place at a British show, it does happen in the USA but can be very off putting for all the dogs invloded not just puppys.
I always clap ALL the placeings espesally in a big class and always say well done to the winner of the class or classes i'm in even if i agree or not.
When my boy got his first placeing last year ( 3rd in post grad ) i got a huge cheer, only because he'd been 4th so many times ( 9 in a row i think ) so all my friends were over the moon for me.
What i can't stand is when someone rips up or even wrose refuses to take a RCC or place card (as happened in our breed judgeing at crufts this year.)
Its an insult to the judge, take it will good grace and tear it up if you must but please have the mannars not to do it in front of the judge.

Yes, I'd be over the moon with a RCC personally!! If I get a placing lower than I like ( :-D ) I just quietly pop the rosette back on the table later on when people aren't looking, as it's not worth my taking home anything lower than 1st or just occasionally a good 2nd, I have 2 large boards filled with 1st, BOB and Groups from my 2 Cavs. :-) But I would NEVER say 'I'm not taking that, it's not good enough for the rosette board', it sounds so horribly boastful! I just quietly put it back and then the club can reuse it.

I have every rosette my dog has won on display. every one is special to me, even the 4th placings. as they all remind me of a great day out with my dog. getting first is great, but i would never leave a rosette at a show, my dog won them not me, so i take them all home and put them where she can see them. i also have all my prize cards in a keep sake folder. i have the 1st and 2nd rosette she won at crufts last year in a display frame and the 3rd and reserve she got this year  ( yes i went and bought the reserve rosette  as they dont give it out ) on the wall next to it. one very proud mummy here :)

I have taken everything I have ever won, good or not so good, pleased or gutted and would never dream of leaving it behind.
I dont keep rosettes so collect and give them to a lovely lady who recycles them for doggie charities.

I have kept all my rosettes, and display all of them each year.

On the other hand I don't like taking perpetual trophies home, and worry about displaying any of the real silver ones. 

When I have taken them home they have stayed in their boxes, and I have never had them engraved as it costs a fortune.

I think screaming and shouting with a good win at BOB is lovely to see, but at the detriment to other people exhibiting nearby i can see why its too much. For group wins and BIS it is great to see that the dogs are also appreciated by the other exhibitors..

I find though in some breeds and maybe at certain shows that showing no emotion for a dog getting BOB, as in no clapping etc is very rude. Even if you don't agree with the decision i think that is bad manners.

I have congratulated some people in my breed for winning their class, some have snubbed me, why i don't know, which is to me soo very very rude, so i don't bother with doing it to them now.. I think its lovely to give a well done to fellow exhibitors..

oh Barbara thats so sad....I love looking back at all the names on trophys...we have some breed club ones that go back to the 1940s and I can see all the names on there, most are in our peigrees, and I can see hounds i had long forgotten about and owners who have left the breed ....theres so much history on trophies I think its a real shame if people dont add theirs :(

We have all the trophy winners listed in our club journals, much easier to look up ;)

I always add my dog's name on a trophy, and I love reading the names of previous winners. :-) But I still think that if after many years of showing, you would have to buy more large boards to display all the 3rds, 4ths and 5ths, it's better to quietly leave them on the table so the society can reuse them, instead of wasting the money they cost by taking them home and throwing them away. Each of my dogs has a board where I display their rosettes. :-)

I display the current years, or maybe the year before until I have collected a few in the current year, LOL

I hand them on a string under the mantle-shelf and above the sofa

Then they get bagged and put in boxes int eh bottom of the wardrobe marked with the year.

i staple the 2nds 3rds n 4th rosettes so they can hang down in a row from my cabinet. I have crufts ones on the wall and her best puppy rosettes on the cabinet with the trophies and photos i have taken of her with her wins. i will miss the trophies when i have to take them back in septemper, but i did get them engraved as they are her first ones.

> When I have taken them home they have stayed in their boxes, and I have never had them engraved as it costs a fortune.

Depends where you get it done :) Most of the chain shops on the high street are expensive, but if you can find a smaller independent shop, they normally don't charge a lot. We get engraving done for a couple of quid in our local shop.

uhhh...don't you mean the diamond diamond? or do you mean the soccer pitch?