Should everyone who signs into the forum give a name on their profiles? After the recent thread in which a person signed in to CD as Nopounds claiming to have no knowledge about dogs but later revealed they knew enough to contact The Dogs Trust and other bodies, having previously asked us for information detailing how to contact these bodies.

I have become suspicious of the motives for joining of several people all who have started out by saying they did not know anything and it later transpired they knew a whole lot more than they were letting on. If CD members were not rsponsible and caring dog owners and breeders the people infiltrated into this forum for the benefit of newspapers or other media could wreck the forum, which has helped many dog owners and has offered a lot of support to others, when things have gone wrong.

Even if the name is false just giving a name will make a lot of people think twice before causing havoc on the forum.

> Even if the name is false just giving a name will make a lot of people think twice before causing havoc on the forum

If people want to 'cause havoc' they wouldn't think twice about giving a false name :(

Daisy (which isn't my real name :) )

I see where you are coming from, we are having a lot of WUM's lately. Posts that start off as a typical WUM and then develope into someone being more sensible and dog knowledgable, they are suspect I agree.

But, does it matter if people come onto the site to see how we feel about topics and subjects and to throw a spanner in the works, luckily we always have our long standing members to keep things on track and give sensible and knowledgable answers, along with good mods to keep an eye on threads. If the back bone of the site were not here very often we could have problems but we do have our regulars to keep things on track.

So let people come on to gather information or to try and be WUM's they won't harm the site or it's good name in any way, having them give a name would make no difference whatsoever they could use any name, there is nothing to hide here, so nothing to fear, it's an honest site and backs responsible breeding, let them come, they are no worry. :-)

I don't think it matters and there's always ways around it and they would just give false names anyway.  Quite liked the debate at times any way.

> I have become suspicious of the motives for joining

> After the recent thread in which a person signed in to CD as Nopounds claiming to have no knowledge about dogs but later revealed they knew enough to contact The Dogs Trust and other bodies, having previously asked us for information detailing how to contact these bodies.
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I agree Polly
Especially after the above wrote "Let's just say that if we pulled off what we wanted to do, there would have been major media coverage".... After stating she was one individual, now comes over as vigilante/posse ...

This sounds threatening, and wonders just exactly what they had in mind.. harming the dogs, injuring the BIS winner?  all conjecture, but a very real worry all the same

As a recent new member, I joined the site for your experience ideas and suggestions. I do use my correct name, but one thing I'm having probs with is abbreviations, such as WUM?

WUM= wind up merchant.

WUM = Wind Up Merchant ! :)  - ie someone who starts a thread/says something that will wind regular posters up!!

Snap!!!

I don't know if it would put a stop to WUM's but I somehow doubt it. Out of interest, why was the thread removed? I left yesterday after I had suggested to OP to go into the ghettos to ask the scumbags there to stop breeding.

I *might* have said something not very nice aimed at the OP of that thread.  But from what has been reported in the dog press, the protesters were PETA and Flash Mob.  Flash Mob are not a big issue as far as I am aware - is it not them that do the mobile phone adverts?  I think the US arm of PETA wanted all pedigree dogs to be destroyed so we'd all have crossbreeds and mutts. But that's all old hat now.

On the subject of profiles, folk will still make things up or omit stuff.  It would be too hard to police.  Sometimes it can be entertaining to catch the folk out, but when it's happening so regularly its understandable how folk can get sick of it.

I think the US arm of PETA wanted all pedigree dogs to be destroyed so we'd all have crossbreeds and mutts.

They want no pets at ALL.

I thought Nopounds had a PETA type tone, very faux reasonable and open to suggestion but ultimately gave no ground. I felt this was definitely a person affiliated to an organisation despite his/her protestations to the contrary. Zealots are always prepared to lie to achieve a "higher" purpose. All a hunch, no proof.

Hi Polly

It's a tricky one isn't it?  I think I started things off by asking Nopounds to tell us a bit more about him/herself and as I said "I wouldn't normally ask this of any poster on here but then again the usual style of posters is that they contribute to a range of topics over a period of time so one gets to know their style, their attutudes and their knowledge.  You have joined specifically to address one topic."

In most circumstances it's unnecessary to know much about the poster as their questions often relate to a named dog and a particular problem.  It's the ones who seem to have a more political angle or are directing their attentions to only one topic that make me question their motivation.

I think it legitimate to ask for a bit of background in these circumstances.  IF they avoid answering the question then it does at least alert other readers to the possibility that the poster may be on a fishing trip AND that the OP's desire for information might not be completely straightforward.

On a lighter note I do have to sit on my hands sometimes and suppress the urge to ask someone how old they are!!  Sometimes the text speak is a giveaway but usually it's reference to a parent that often finally provides the answer.  In truth the anonymity doesn't matter greatly and in some respects knowing too much about a poster can be a distraction :)

I don't agree that people should have to give a name.  I believe that regardless of a persons motive for coming on here, if posters reply in a way that presents themselves and their breed in a positive light it can only be a learning curve for people reading the post.

If you think some of the posters in recent weeks are a bit suspect, you should have been around in the days when the visitors questions forum was around.  School holidays were a bundle of laughs with all sorts of weird questions.

I don't think giving names should be compulsory. The thread in question, although contentious, will come up in google searches and there is a huge amount of valid information and positive reasoning in response to the original poster so that in itself is worth a lot in the bid to educate members of the general public who may have the same ideas as the OP because they have never actually conversed with people who have the future of dog breeds at heart and wish to promote responsible, reputable breeding.

I don't think anyone will change the indoctrinated views of the OP but others coming across this thread will be able to see how passionate caring, responsible breeders are in promoting the welfare of not only their breed but dog welfare in general.

> If you think some of the posters in recent weeks are a bit suspect, you should have been around in the days when the visitors questions forum was around.  School holidays were a bundle of laughs with all sorts of weird questions.

Lol Oh yes I remember those days...... 

I know off topic but I was thinking just the other day that there should be a kind of mini glossary for all the short hand that is used esp for newbies or people asking that one off question like....

BIS- Best in Show
PD- Puppy Dog
Dobe- Doberman
DDB- Dog De Bordeaux
BYB- Back Yard Breeder
PF- Puppy Farm

and so on

> Even if the name is false just giving a name will make a lot of people think twice before causing havoc on the forum.

I'm not sure that having to provide a name will cause people to think twice, but maybe if new members were required to give an intoductory post, giving thier experience, invovement in the dog world (show/breeding/pet only/looking for dog/pup), reasons for joining forum etc. would help.

It may or may not slow down the posting from WUM, but it may be enough to expose some, or at least rouse others suspicions before lengthy debate begins?

I used my dogs name but I would not have a problem using my own (apart from the fact a lot of people spell it wrong!)

I think you can tell who are WUM - they do put in provocative threads. Im not sure if PETRA can do a lot.

We would never do without doglets ever.

> I'm not sure that having to provide a name will cause people to think twice, but maybe if new members were required to give an intoductory post, giving thier experience, invovement in the dog world (show/breeding/pet only/looking for dog/pup), reasons for joining forum etc. would help.
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good idea

I'm not sure that having to provide a name will cause people to think twice, but maybe if new members were required to give an intoductory post, giving thier experience, invovement in the dog world (show/breeding/pet only/looking for dog/pup), reasons for joining forum etc. would help.

There is nothing to stop people from making up any old thing to put in a profile or an introduction:-) but a person's views, knowledge, experiences etc show through in their posts and we are all then free to make up our own minds about the ideas put forward by them. Those posters who have a lot of experiece, knowledge and respect for others are very obvious by the content of their posts

>> I'm not sure that having to provide a name will cause people to think twice, but maybe if new members were required to give an intoductory post, giving thier experience, invovement in the dog world (show/breeding/pet only/looking for dog/pup), reasons for joining forum etc. would help.
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> good idea

As a 'Newbie' - have no problem in giving an account of myself and the reasons I joined your forum. But if that is what is wanted then it should be for all.

> As a 'Newbie' - have no problem in giving an account of myself and the reasons I joined your forum. But if that is what is wanted then it should be for all.

I'm sure nobody would mind, many of us have allready done such a thing :)
Here are 2 of the threads that I can recall the titles of, I'm sure ther are more and then there are the threads where an individual have given an 'hello' post :)

http://www.champdogsforum.co.uk/board/topic/119904.html

http://www.champdogsforum.co.uk/board/topic/103490.html

In response.

Have loved dogs all of my life but through work and circumstance have not had the opportunity to commit to extra family until a few years ago. I'm 52 have moved around alot, working in care including overseas and now live with my husband on the Isle of Wight running a B&B  with our two gorgeous Bassets. Since I was a child (too many years ago) Bassets were the dogs, we did our research, 'lots' of it and still ended up with major problems, but thats life and wouldn't change a thing. Lucas 6 and Otto 5 going on 90.
Joined CD because of the information exchange, the knowledge and commitment in the postings, common sense will only get you so far. It is often difficult as however much one has researched or read, to get an 'unbiased' opinion from many sources as we have found out the hard way. Am 'around' more at the moment due to supporting my OH through chemo, hence the extra time online. Do not wish to show although one of ours has in a previous life and as for a litter, do not have the experience or time,  would want to keep all of them and Bassets can have large litters. Have no wish to appear antagonistc in my questions - by the nature of the forum and the commitment of the members you would not be on it if you did not have dogs health and welfare at heart 'but' that as we have personaly found out dose no apply to all, even at the top. But thats the same in all walks of life. Hope that answers everything. Lacy

Should everyone who signs into the forum give a name on their profiles? After the recent thread in which a person signed in to CD as Nopounds claiming to have no knowledge about dogs but later revealed they knew enough to contact The Dogs Trust and other bodies, having previously asked us for information detailing how to contact these bodies.
I never said I didn't know anything about dogs. In fact, in my very first post I gave statistics about stray dogs etc, so it was obvious that was not the case. Also, when I was asked about myself I told you all my relevant background, including the fact that I had worked at animal groups. I didn't ask anyone how I could contact Dogs Trust, I had already been in contact with them, as well as other groups and Jim Fitzpatrick. What I didn't know so much about was puppy farming and I didn't know any campaigning groups working on that. I wasn't being deceptive.

This sounds threatening, and wonders just exactly what they had in mind.. harming the dogs, injuring the BIS winner?  all conjecture, but a very real worry all the same
Of course we weren't going to harm anyone. I really don't understand why you would think that. We just wanted to get in the ring that's all, with a banner, just like many people before us - including the streaker! I find it really insulting and upsetting that you assume that just because we shouted and waved a banner around that we are violent people who aim to harm animals and people. Wouldn't that just totally contradict our aims?

Just wanted to clear those points up.

I thought Nopounds had a PETA type tone, very faux reasonable and open to suggestion but ultimately gave no ground. I felt this was definitely a person affiliated to an organisation despite his/her protestations to the contrary. Zealots are always prepared to lie to achieve a "higher" purpose. All a hunch, no proof.
Depends what you mean by "affiliated", I'm a member of a bunch of animal groups, but that doesn't mean any of them put me up to it. And I resent being called a liar, again.

> Depends what you mean by "affiliated", I'm a member of a bunch of animal groups, but that doesn't mean any of them put me up to it

Dog owners and breeders have in the past had problems with members of some organsiations, including one so called animal lovers group leave drugged bait out for the dogs to pick up. Also as you have worked overseas you may not know of the 'lunatic rent a mob crowd' who join groups with extreme ideas then they go on protests simply to cause trouble and to be violent towards people. I think I would have been worried if I was sat near you too. :-)

Many dog breeders around the world have had problems with organisations like PETA and even Jemima Harrison would not align herself to PETA after they used her programme to call for a ban on dog breeding so that should ring alarm bells in anyones mind.

My hope is that you will stay here and eventually realise our aims to no longer need rescue centres and to have every dog in a happy life long home is the same as your aims are. We just go about it differently, we realise there is good and bad in everything and every organisation, thats life we cannot change it with out stopping people from existing.... lol And I am sure we don't want that either!

So shall we all agree to start again?

On a thread the name Boland or Bolland is being discussed have you googled this man or his son? You might be surprised and you might be shocked. I would like to know how you might consider stopping people like this. The breeders here have been trying for years to stop this type of person ever having anything to do with dogs but if h is banned he will simply get a member of his family to take over his license and the whole sorry mess will rumble on as nothing will be changed.

I for one am pleased that you are now aware of puppy farming and thank our members here for discussing it and increasing your knowledge by doing so.

For nopounds,

Look at this link to the thread I have mentioned.

http://www.champdogsforum.co.uk/board/topic/122450.html

>I'm a member of a bunch of animal groups,

Which groups, just out of interest?

CIWF, Animal Aid, Viva, Vegan Society, Vegetarian Society, Rainforest Action Network, Environmental Justice Foundation, Fresh Start Foundation, War on Want, World Development Movement, VSO, EveryChild. Think that's it!

I will look at the other thread

thanks for telling us Nopounds.
My daughter worked for UNHCC, GOAL and VETAID among others...

glad you asked that!

Certainly..Animal Aid have some verrrry dodgy practices and backgrounds... wouldnt trust a word that comes from them!