>But taking abandoned dogs from Irish rescues doesn't support puppy farmers does it?

Yes, because it means they (the Irish puppy farmers who supply many of the UK puppy supermarkets of which you seem to know nothing about) have room to restock.

> It's the way to support the Irish puppy farms to the detriment of the UK dogs, certainly. The way forward? Nothing that makes life easier for the puppy farmers is the way forward,

Jeangenie, alot of the stray problem here in Ireland is to be laid at the feet of irresponsible dogowners who let their dogs mate nilly willy. The spay and neuter message has only recently started to begin to take hold and it's an uphill battle. Latchkey dogs are still very much the norm here rather than the exception.

Lab, Springer, BC, Greyhounds, Staffies, Rottweilers, GSDs and their crosses are the most common dogs in Irish Pounds, depending on the season you then often have Gundogs such as Pointers as well. And of course the pounds are usually swamped with the "in" breeds of yesteryear, Boxer and Akitas at present and their crosses. Hardly dogs/breeds that most puppy millers would breed to make a profit, they go for the toy/small breeds. Although it is funny how rescues fall over each other to get the ickle CKC etc out and vie with each other whereas the Staffie cross is being left behind to die.

> Staffie cross is being left behind to die.

And that is the case in most rescues here in the UK. The national media have turned the staffordshire bull terrier into the "devil dog" and now nobody wants them. My sister has two rescue Staffordshire Bull Terriers and her daughter also has one from rescue.

Although I run a primarily Bull Breed Rescue (Ireland's only one :() if I have room and a dog is in need then I take it in, regardless of its breed. It kind of defies the notion of rescue if you pick and chose what you take unless you are a breed rescue who caters specifically for this or that breed. Especially all the big GENERAL rescues.

I get phonecalls nearly every week from UK rescues and their transporters asking me if I have pups I'd like to place in the UK.

I'm sad to hear this, Otterhound.

It is also very lucrative for UK rescues to take from Irish rescues (note, I did not write Irish Pounds). They get neutered and vacc'd dogs ready to be rehomed and often the Irish rescues shell out for the transport as well. Proper little business, I dare say.

I imagine it's possible to make a profit if you rehome the dogs very promptly. (And I have heard a few horror stories of 'rescues' asking un-homchecked new homes meet them at the transport and hand over cash for dogs that have not been properly assessed). I pay for the transport - anything from EUR45 - EUR85 a dog, depending on transporter.  As you say, the Irish rescues do mostly neuter and vax, but there are numerous other costs for us - foster homes' equipment/food (can be several weeks), fuel costs of homechecks/transport within the UK, vet-checks, worming, frontline, the occasionally necessary professional groom and of course the fairly-frequent mostly-minor ailments they arrive with that need treating (kennel cough, conjuctivitis, upset tummies etc).We charge a £150 rehoming fee and on a good year run at a small loss.

To be honest, I don't know how you do it in Ireland. I heard today that Dogs Trust Dublin is only charging a EUR80 rehoming fee.  This is undercutting the smaller rescues who can't do it for this price as neutering/spaying alone costs this and more. As such they're finding it hard to  rehome dogs locally. But then I don't need to tell you this :-)  I am in constant awe of the people in Ireland who dedicate their lives to rescue. I know I have it cushy here in comparison.

>It doesn't matter. If they're knowingly taking them direct from puppy farms, time after time, then they're condoning the practice.

I'm not sure about that. If you know there is a dog suffering somewhere is it not better to intervene than to just leave it there to die?

Nopounds - this is exactly what the recommendation is: Never buy a puppy just because you feel sorry for it.  Same principle applies to taking on the ex breeding bitches.  For each dog 'liberated' from a puppy farm another will take it's place.  Constantly 'saving' these dogs is, in it's own way, creating a market for more.

Good animal welfare sometimes requires a hardened heart to combat the root of the problem. 

Nopounds i rarely get involved with subjects like this but in my breed the last few years the numbers have declined every year so you can't blame the breeders for breeding dogs that end up in rescues Yes we have rescues for our breed as do most but if i walk up and down my local Rescue kennels its not pure breeds i see they are all crosses, you target the wrong people as how are you stopping people out there breeding their cross bred dog to sell the puppies for a quick £150 in the local free papers or how are you targeting the Puppy farmers?.

I for one know of a lady her dog was not a kc reg pure bred dog but a cross and she was so excited about someone at our local school saying she could breed it with their cross bred staffy boy shouldn't you be trying to educate these sort of people how many staffies and cross staffies are there in kennels heaps and not people who genuinely care for their breed.

People on here are experienced breeders they don't over breed they normally take their puppy back whatever age if it needs a new home but will the lady who was going to breed her cross bred dog, like hell will she as she was just working out the money she was gonna get and what new clothes she was getting, so you know for one they ant gonna have the love and attention and money thrown at them that it costs to raise a litter, will they go to their new homes jabbed and microchipped nope doubt it will they end up in rescue kennels yep for sure as they will be brought for the cute factor and cause they are cheap.

I'm sorry but i think you go about it the wrong way and target the wrong people

you want to stop so many dogs ending up in rescue go shout at the hoodies with their status dogs on the sink estates as thats where all these poor dogs that end up in rescue are comming from round here-they aren't comming from show breeders. I don't see breeders at crufts churning out litter after litter of unregistered staffy/staffy cross litters-- and thats all thats in our local rescues.-unsocialised-unregistered-badly bred staffy crosses

Justme, I think you need to read the rest of the thread. I've answered your points several times already :-)
And I'm really not targeting anyone on this forum, I'm just gathering info.

Just looked at my local shelter, they have:-
Rottweiller, Boxer, German Shep cross, Jack Russell/ Chihuahua, staffy, Northern Inuit, Doberman, Jack Russell, Akita, collie cross and a Pointer/spaniel. So, plenty of pure bred dogs, which is what I've always found when working in shelters, although I'm sure it varies a lot depending on where you are.

I do understand that back yard breeders and puppy farmers are a massive contributor to the dog over-population crisis we now have (and the reason I am here is to find out more and to get in touch with other people working on this issue), but every person who has brought a litter of puppies in to the world has contributed to the 8 million population we have in the UK today and thus the growing number of dogs we have in pounds and shelters. Even if you take the utmost care of your dog and puppies and home them as well as you can (which I do believe many breeders do), there's absolutely no guarantees that those people who buy them from you don't do exactly what you fear - and breed from them as well. I would love to see some figures on where all the dogs come from in the UK; a breakdown of how many come from small scale breeders (there are hundreds listed on the KC website), how many from BYB and how many from puppy farms. Anyone got that?

> Just looked at my local shelter, they have:-<br />Rottweiller, Boxer, German Shep cross, Jack Russell/ Chihuahua, staffy, Northern Inuit, Doberman, Jack Russell, Akita, collie cross and a Pointer/spaniel. So, plenty of pure bred dogs

Well out of that bunch, only the Rottweiler, Boxer, Staffy, Doberman and Akita could have possibly come from KC breeders. The rest are crosses, or breeds not recognised by the KC, so must have come from BYBs.

not a reply to justme, more a general example.
two ladies I know - both have 'stable-yard, farrier' type of jack russels, 1st has 11mth bitch - going to let her have a litter later, be nice and farrier said his dog will be fine as stud, he knows loads of people who will have a pup . 2nd has 7 yr old maiden bitch but is going to mate her next season 'to settle her' as she keeps escaping and wandering.
I have talked till I am blue in the face........no effect what ever. THESE are the ones who need to be restricted from filling up rescues not the 'ggod guys'
Chris

> Well out of that bunch, only the Rottweiler, Boxer, Staffy, Doberman and Akita could have possibly come from KC breeders. The rest are crosses, or breeds not recognised by the KC, so must have come from BYBs.

And interestingly the others are likely to be poor examples of their breed also bred by BYB's.  A well bred example of most breeds sticks out a mile in is' quality.

I have never seen a purebred at my Local dogs home that wasn't one that varied hugely from the breed standard.

Notice most of those listed are the popular breeds beloved of BYB's.

Nopounds - I'm curious, who are you?

I wouldn't normally ask this of any poster on here but then again the usual style of posters is that they contribute to a range of topics over a period of time so one gets to know their style, their attutudes and their knowledge.  You have joined specifically to address one topic.

I've read this thread through from beginning to end and I apologise if I missed it in your introduction but did you affiliate yourself with any organisation?

Somewhere in your posts there is a notion that you wish to stop people getting dogs from anywhere except rescue homes, to stop breeders from producing puppies, and to neuter dogs early in their lives.  I accept that there may have been a few shifts in tone since your start point but these seemed to be your intentions.  I cannot find any information from you as to how you might go about achieving this, alhough you have challenged others as to the workability of their ideas.

What was your purpose in coming to Champdogs?  You've mentioned other forums, so presumably you have some experience of online debating - what have you got from it?  What will you do with all the feedback and advice you've received throughout this discussion?  Have you changed your mind about some issues?

You are now asking for yet more data but with no mention of what you intend to do with it.  If you are hoping to garner support for your cause it would be helpful to know your current direction.  Thanks

My local small rescue has-
Shepherd x
Collie x
Husky x
3 Staffie x
Bull terrier x
pug x
Boxer
Husky

biggest group staffie cross,  A big 80% plus have nothing to do with show breeders. The others may be from byb's.
The show breeders I know always take their dogs back!

Just had a look at my two local rescues, for interest. One had 17 to 4 in favour of crossbreeds, the other was 12 to 3 in favour of crossbreeds. All but one of the pure breds were poor examples of puppy farm type breeds, one Labrador looked decent quality. More collie types than bull breeds around here.

I wish I knew what the answer was, but I am sure it is not for the reputable breeders who health test to cut down on their breeding and turn the market over entirely to those who don't give a monkeys what they turn out as long as they are paid for it. Apart from anything else, I'm sure many puppy buyers would choose not to have a dog if an indiscriminate rescue was their only option.

One of the rescues had a campaign for extensive vet fees on a sick dog - with so many healthy dogs destroyed due to lack of space, I'm afraid that I am no supporter of these campaigns. I'm in no way undermining how hard it must be for rescue workers, I have every respect for them, but I think sometimes there need to be more practical decisions made in cases of illness or poor temperament.

I donate to my own breed rescue, who thankfully don't have a huge problem, but I will kick myself up the backside to get some donations of food, blankets etc. to the rescues this weekend. :(

M.

I have 40/60 at present, 40 percent are pb and 60 are crossbred. I find alot of Staffie breeders over here do not take their dogs back.

Of the purebreds Otterhound how many do you think re likely to be papered as opposed to offspring of mates dog around the corner, and also is it because you are a type specific rescue, and one of the most over bred/exploited breeds is the Staff?

Last year I have taken in 18 Staffies which were MC'd to IKC. Only one breeder took his dog back.

I also took in 2 Staffies one of which was MC'd to a breeder in UK and the other one to a breeder in NI (the dogs came in together as stray, lateron it turned out that their owner had dumped them, both were show dogs) - both breeders took their dogs back.

Just to add, I wish there would be a system in place by the IKC in which the breeder would be penalised if he/she will not take back dogs. I do understand that it can happen on a rare occasion that a breeder is genuinely unable to take back a dog due to illness etc but if it happens more than once then the breeder should be penalised IMHO.

I'm not affiliated with any organisation, although I do want to work with others on all these issues; this is one of the reasons why I am here on this forum. I have worked/volunteered for animal shelters and other animal protection organisations in Asia, Africa and the UK; predominantly as a fundraiser but also hands on work. I have two rescued dogs, one a (very healthy) mixed breed and one (in-and-out-of-the-vets) pug. What frustrates me is that there are SO many animal shelters in the UK and so many "adopt this dog or he dies tomorrow" emails flying around, the situation seems hopeless but hardly anyone seems to be doing anything to get to the route of the problem. All these shelters are desperately trying to find homes for these dogs and don't have the time to do the educational and campaigning work that needs to be done. Granted, RPSCA, Dogs Trust etc do some educational work, but the problem with these large organisations is that they are always so concerned about what their donors might think. So, they always worry about offending them and driving them away - which is understandable since this is where their income comes from, but I worry whether they are actually asking for what is really needed. But it is only the voice of these larger organisations that tend to get heard at government level.

Dogs Trust tell me they have been working to reduce the number of unwanted dogs for many years through subsidised neutering (for people in certain areas below a certain income threshold), free neutering and microchipping incentives for limited periods of time in specific estates or postcodes where there is a particular problem with strays and running workshops for primary school children with their 10 education officers. Their ask of the government is mandatory micro-chipping so sick dogs can be traced back to their breeder (will puppy farm owners do this though?). They are also investigating compulsory registration of breeders. I'm just not convinced by this.

I am here on this forum because I desperately want to stop this situation where we have thousands of dogs sat in kennels waiting for a home. I can't bear it anymore. The answer to this still seems very unclear, but once it is, I'd like to play a part in making that change happen.

> Nopounds - I'm curious, who are you?
>
> I wouldn't normally ask this of any poster on here but then again the usual style of posters is that they contribute to a range of topics over a period of time so one gets to know their style, their attutudes and their knowledge.&nbsp; You have joined specifically to address one topic.

I too found your comments suspicious, everyone on here fills out a profile and you did not reveal anything about yourself. The tenor of your posts is changing which is good in one sense but leads me to believe you already know most of the answers and due to some people who lurk rather than post made me wonder if you were directed here by one of them, as your suden appearance on this thread also seemed suspicious.

However I am pleased to see that the CD members who have replied have been willing to explain things to you and I have as you requested sent you via email links to WAG and Puppy Alert, as well as informed you of a protest which is going on and how to contact DeFRA, CAWC and your MPs. Perhaps you might like to reveal your identity as we do realise there are people out there who cruise this type of board hoping to gather information to use to "beat dog owners and breeders with a stick" in the papers and on TV.

I think it is only fair to forum members to allow them to know more about yourself and your group. If you can't do that then perhaps forum members might be advised to completely ignore your further requests and posts the way many members ignore other peple who lurk here as we feel we have absolutely nothing to say to them as they will not listen and will not take on board any ideas other than their own, and use their ideas to beat dog lovers and breeders like the members of this forum with a 'stick'.

I am at loss here (what else is new :-p).

OP on page 1 you write:

We target Crufts..

and now you went from plural to singular?

edited to add:

Don't get me wrong, I really don't care who you are personally. In 13 years of rescue I've had my fair share of armchair/web "rescues" and keyboard warriors. None of which lasted very long. Everyone can barge in and critise BUT not many actually do something to help the situation. Protesting at a show like Crufts will only do one thing: to smear the rep of rescues who work their bums off to help animals. I for one do not care for being thrown into the same *pot* as animal rights activists etc. I do rescue - pure and simple. The whole stray dog situation has manyfold reasons and cannot be laid at the feet of one single source.

> I'm not affiliated with any organisation, although I do want to work with others on all these issues; this is one of the reasons why I am here on this forum.

But you still have not told us who you are? My son-in-law has worked for Vet Aid for many years in many of the places you have worked.

I have worked/volunteered for animal shelters and other animal protection organisations in Asia, Africa and the UK; predominantly as a fundraiser but also hands on work. I have two rescued dogs, one a (very healthy) mixed breed and one (in-and-out-of-the-vets) pug.
Regarding your in and out of the vets pug I assume you have informed the breed club? Perhaps you could team up with Olive1 who also is campaigning for pug health now.

What frustrates me is that there are SO many animal shelters in the UK and so many "adopt this dog or he dies tomorrow" emails flying around, the situation seems hopeless but hardly anyone seems to be doing anything to get to the route of the problem. All these shelters are desperately trying to find homes for these dogs and don't have the time to do the educational and campaigning work that needs to be done.
Obviously these organisations are not going to explain the difference between good breeders and bad breeders, their first priority is the rescue dogs they have in their centres.

Granted, RPSCA, Dogs Trust etc do some educational work, but the problem with these large organisations is that they are always so concerned about what their donors might think. So, they always worry about offending them and driving them away - which is understandable since this is where their income comes from,
The RSPCA would do better to use it's money for animal welfare rather than political issues. Their political fund is massive, but none of that helps the dogs, cats, or any animal in their care. I will not donate to them because of this. I will donate to the local centres items they can use for the welfare of the dogs though.

but I worry whether they are actually asking for what is really needed. But it is only the voice of these larger organisations that tend to get heard at government level.

Unfortunately regardless of the organisation larg or small the government only ever seem to listen to the RSPCA however as I pointed out sometimes an individual can change things as Sarah Deadman is doing. (web search Justice for Ted).

>
> Dogs Trust tell me they have been working to reduce the number of unwanted dogs for many years through subsidised neutering (for people in certain areas below a certain income threshold), free neutering and microchipping incentives for limited periods of time in specific estates or postcodes where there is a particular problem with strays and running workshops for primary school children with their 10 education officers. Their ask of the government is mandatory micro-chipping so sick dogs can be traced back to their breeder (will puppy farm owners do this though?). They are also investigating compulsory registration of breeders. I'm just not convinced by this.
>
> I am here on this forum because I desperately want to stop this situation where we have thousands of dogs sat in kennels waiting for a home. I can't bear it anymore. The answer to this still seems very unclear, but once it is, I'd like to play a part in making that change happen.

I think every member of champdogs would like to stop this situation we would all like to see a day when dog rescues were no longer needed. Have you spoken to people on the feline foums or rabbit forums? these pets have just as big a rescue problem and I know the cats protection people are always looking for volunteers to foster cats.

But you still have not told us who you are?
What else do you want to know, I've told you my background. I am an individual, a few friends joined me at Crufts. You want my inside leg measurements? ;-)

Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit.

It was meant to be a joke! I'm just not sure what else you want to know. I'm not "an organisation", I'm just someone who has dogs, has worked with dogs and wants to do something about it. If you have any specific questions you wanted answered, go for it ...

>I am an individual, a few friends joined me at Crufts.

So you and your friends are just taking random potshots at anyone, without having worked out exactly who it is you should be targeting? You'll never get anywhere that way.

There must be more productive ways to get your 15 minutes of fame.

So you and your friends are just taking random potshots at anyone
No. Taking "pot shots" at people who are contributing to the dog over-population problem, and that includes ALL breeders for the reasons described above.

There must be more productive ways to get your 15 minutes of fame.
Right, so now you are questioning my intentions. That is unfair.

>people who are contributing to the dog over-population problem, and that includes ALL breeders for the reasons described above.

Is the number of dogs the problem,or the quality of the owners? If the owners were properly educated in the care of their animals then they wouldn't need to give them up to rescue, and they wouldn't have accidental litters. Education is the key, not causing disruption to the responsible.

>Right, so now you are questioning my intentions. That is unfair.

No, you've brought your motives into question by not knowing why you targeted the wrong people. Streaking was the way that Erica Roe made herself famous - how is this any different?

Sigh, perhaps you should re-direct your attention to breeders of racing Greyhounds. Now there is a bottomless pit which contributes to the massve amount of dogs both in UK and Ireland. Makes much more sense than demonstrating at a dog show.

Or alternatively you could go into the ghettos and explain to the scumbags there why they should stop breeding Bull Breeds. I wish you luck with that!

I fail to see what possible effect one person (and I saw only one apart from the streaker) shouting "Breeders kill dogs!" in the seating area of Crufts can have to solve the problem of rescue dogs. All it did was turn people against the OP. The biggest applause of the day was when security removed the person who was shouting.

It's a bit like protesting outside a car plant because they make the cars that people drive badly and have accidents, instead of targeting the bad drivers.

Nopounds i'm sorry it won't let me go right back to read the whole thread hence my reply.

Otterhound i totally agree with you on the greyhounds, our show dogs retire and stay with us as they are family members some may be rehomed but the greyhound where do they go when they retire, now thats a band wagon you should jump on you really could do some good there nopounds.

Looking at our local rescue we have mostly crosses (staffies, akita, terriers, collies), 2 rotti's and a saluki

Greyhound Action have got that well covered.

I fail to see what possible effect one person (and I saw only one apart from the streaker) shouting "Breeders kill dogs!" in the seating area of Crufts can have to solve the problem of rescue dogs. All it did was turn people against the OP. The biggest applause of the day was when security removed the person who was shouting.
- Let's just say that if we pulled off what we wanted to do, there would have been major media coverage and the opportunity to talk about the issues to thousands of people. This is, of course, the aim of most protests, but they don't all go to plan. Did you see all the coverage the streaker got? Such a shame he didn't have a message. It wasn't Breeders Kill Dogs, it was Breeders Kill Shelters Dogs' Chances.

>Let's just say that if we pulled off what we wanted to do

So you were part of a group, not just an individual.

>Did you see all the coverage the streaker got?

Nope.

>Let's just say that if we pulled off what we wanted to do

Nopounds  What were you wanting to do - what was your plan?

Are you getting some information from this discussion to enable you to change your plans/target for next time?

> Let's just say that if we pulled off what we wanted to do,there would have been major media coverage and the opportunity to talk about the issues to thousands of people. This is, of course, the aim of most protests

And just how would the dogs that you purport to support would have been harmed had you "pulled off what you wanted to do"?

We who campaign so avidly for only breeding from the best of pedigree dogs do not look for major media coverage - that is not our prime purpose - our prime purpose is to educate, educate, educate - not sensationalise.

breeder didn't kill chance of a shelter dog here when we bought our well bred carefully raised pup from a responsible caring breeder, I'd already toured the shelters and my required dog, an 8-12 week properly reared large breed bitch pup with zero staffy/bull/rott/collie blood was not there and the staff told me never would be as that type of pup has a value and does not get handed in to a shelter, I could have as many ruined aggressive 18 month old male dogs as any one could want - what i was after doesn't turn up here-shelter staff all were clear i was not going to find that .  Owning a dog is a big thing for me, the dog has to be a good match for our home and circumstances , not an adult that would likely kill our other pets as previous owner and puppy farm breeder has ruined it.

Apparently there was a man and a woman outside protesting i never saw them personally was one of them you then holding banners above their heads?

I think the small disturbance you coursed you really failed on what you were trying to achieve but paid out good money for the ticket do you now think it was worth it? and i ask this just out of interest for myself

I hope while you were there you managed to grab some bargains and some goodies for your own dogs.

Nopounds, if you insist on believing that show breeders are responsible for the rescue problem, you clearly haven't listened or taken on board anything anyone has said to you.

Breeders kill shelter dogs chances? Rubbish, if I hadn't been able to get my dogs do you really think I'd have trotted off to the rescue centre to adopt a (probably) terrier or something else that I had no history of to live with my child and other pets? No, I wouldn't risk my family, I wanted a bichon, I wanted to show that bichon and I'm not going to apologise for this.

Re-direct your attentions to the real criminals, its so frustrating that your not listening.

It wasn't Breeders Kill Dogs, it was Breeders Kill Shelters Dogs' Chances.

Well I doubt if anyone heard that!

Let's just say that if we pulled off what we wanted to do, there would have been major media coverage and the opportunity to talk about the issues to thousands of people. This is, of course, the aim of most protests, but they don't all go to plan. Did you see all the coverage the streaker got? Such a shame he didn't have a message. It wasn't Breeders Kill Dogs, it was Breeders Kill Shelters Dogs' Chances.

I'm sorry but you and your people are really going about it the wrong way.  This is the reason I really dislike protests and extremists.  Trying to sabotage an event that many people spend the whole show year building up to is out of order. 

This is the same as harsh training methods. You get FAR better results being nice!

So you were part of a group, not just an individual.
- Yes, I already said I was with friends.

Are you getting some information from this discussion to enable you to change your plans/target for next time?
- Yes, thank you.

And just how would the dogs that you purport to support would have been harmed had you "pulled off what you wanted to do"?
- Please don't suggest I had planned to harm any animals. What grounds do you have to suspect me of that?

Apparently there was a man and a woman outside protesting i never saw them personally was one of them you then holding banners above their heads?
No. PETA had a protest and there was some Flashmob planned I think, not sure if it happened though.

>Did you see all the coverage the streaker got?
Nope.
- Google it, there are over 100 stories

Nopounds, if you insist on believing that show breeders are responsible for the rescue problem, you clearly haven't listened or taken on board anything anyone has said to you.
- I have listened, and I agree with you that puppy farms and back yard breeders, and even the greyhound industry, are the main causes of unwanted dogs in this country. But breeders, no matter how responsible, still play a part. This is why - you breed a litter of say 8 puppies and do your best to make sure they go to a good home. But let's say just one of the new owners believes that all dogs should have one litter and produces another litter of puppies, and perhaps another one of the owners accidentally lets Flossie play with Butch while she's on heat, and another one of the new owners wants to show the children how puppies are born ... Then from your one litter of 8 pups, we have 3 more litters; 24 more pups. And how many litters are born by those 24 pups? Tell me, what guarantees do you have that the people who buy your puppies don't breed them?  You cannot guarantee that can you?

Anyway, thanks to those of you who have helped by giving useful information. There are some things that we will never agree on, so I think we should call it a day before it gets nasty.

>you breed a litter of say 8 puppies and do your best to make sure they go to a good home. But let's say just one of the new owners believes that all dogs should have one litter

A good breeder would have weeded out this sort of owner, and they wouldn't have got one of the puppies. The pups are also sold with breeding endorsements, preventing registration of any future offspring. It's when explaining this to a prospective purchaser that you find out (by their reaction as much as anything) whether they'd even considered the idea of breeding.

Nopounds, do you have a dog? If so, where did you get him/her from? How were you interviewed to see if you were suitable?

>>Are you getting some information from this discussion to enable you to change your plans/target for next time?
> Yes, thank you

Good. So in future you'll be protesting outside the puppy supermarket in Manchester, or in Harrods' pet department, or any of the commercial breeders' premises, or on the sink estates where the chavs breed their endless staffie crosses to make them look tough, which is where the real problems are, and where you can make a real difference.

>> Nopounds, do you have a dog? If so, where did you get him/her from? How were you interviewed to see if you were suitable?

Nopounds has two dogs - including a rescue pug.

Nopounds - could you please elaborate one why there would be so much media attention had you succeeded in your protest?  I am intrigued!