How does neutering boys tend to affect their coat?

Errol is 16 months old now and doesnt need his wotsits for reproduction since he wont be doing that (temp not good enough to my mind, hind legs not good enuff either but irrelevant realy since his temperament is not good enough for me to even consider showing him, hed have the judge!).

Whats putting me off de-nutting him is the thought that it may make his coat absolutely awful and  I really dont want to HAVE to clip him short (i dont mind useing items that may thin the coat a little but i dont want to lose too much length).

Sooo... any advice?? Any piccies of neutered TTs?

Why are you thinking of getting him neutered?    does he live with a breeding bitch?   you say he doesn't need his testicles, but they do a job besides fathering pups ;) (skin, coat, confidence etc)

Personally I wouldn't get a dog neutered unless there was a really good reason ;)

Unfortunately no one can guarantee what his coat would be like if he's neutered.  I know several different dogs who have been neutered and none of them kept their original good coat, they have all become unmanageable :(  

Mmm....

He doesnt now (shes just been spayed... and is a Deerhound so that was NEVER happening much to his disgust!)...

He is confident in all the er, wrong places - he is a bratty little ratbag who bullies everyone and thinks he oughta... cos hes the one with the balls! To put it bluntly!

I am normally pretty averse to neutering for behavioural reasons... but I do intend to have another bitch in the future (who may be bred from but if not, in any case will be a deerhound and wont be done until shes mature).

My other males... are losing their patience with him. They tolerate him and ignore him to a certain extent but certainly my staffie x boy WILL nail him to the floor if he pushes things too far and Errol STILL will not back off! It is like he is driven to push and push and push at boundaries when it comes to who has the rights to what and when...

This all sounds like I let him behave like a little monster - I dont, he responds very well to time outs, but hes SO sharp... a point in case, he was bullying Rocky for a chewy bone a while back, getting right up inhis face and shouting at him... So he earnt himself a time out for this (and they are done properly, to the point for a count of ten, no faffing around)...

After four goes at being timed out... did he stop bullying and demanding? Did he heck - he just did it silently! (At which point, Rocky had had enough and ROARED at him!)

In some respects such as this, he is super confident and a persistant little beggar and it is extremely hard not to read that as 'I have the balls and I am king of whatever'.. (cuz he is, and his bestest friend is my young bitch who until a week ago, was the only entire bitch in the household).

In other situations hes not as confident, particularly meeting strange men - but instead of shying away and removing himself, he chooses to approach the situation head on and leap in barking and jumping and so on...

Obviously again this is not something we allow him to do... we have been managing him and only allowing him to meet people who have been prewarned to ignore him and certainly NOT make eye contact or point fingers at him or bark at him (yup, someone did that!), and distracting/rewarding him for nice quiet behaviour.

This is working pretty well.. but he still has some fairly brattish behaviours and I was contemplating a suprelorin implant to see how that affected things..

One thing I cant quite fathom out - if we are out with him and come back in.. . his immediate reaction ot the other dogs is to run at them growling, hes not apparently afraid of them since he chooses to run at them (though I know thats not a guarantee), but I cant quite fathom out what he wants to achieve here... he just barges into them going GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR and its definitely not a play thing (that involves play bowing, floor slapping wit the paws, bouncing back and forth and yipping.... )

Gah I am making him out to be a total gitbag and ost of the time he is lovely, cuddley, fun to train and be around.... just sooooooometimes he does earn himself the nickname 'devil boy' and I do wonder if this is because he is the 'only real man in the village' pmsl!

Mmm a 16 month old Kevin? ;)

Yep every TT that I had in for grooming was neutered and yes, everyone had a coat that the owner couldn't handle and so came to me every 8 weeks.

How about trying the Tardak injection?  It simulates castration and if it has the effect that you hope, then maybe you'll be prepared to pay the price with his coat.  But if it doesn't, then at least you won't have 2 problems. :)

Not doing Tardak... have heard bad things and apparently it doesnt work the same as suprelorin.. but yes in principle ill try chemical castration first..

Tibbie folks.... am i just having a wobble? Lol, is he going to belt up and stop being a little gitface (and that is polite you should hear some of his nicknames).

He has always been a cocky little ratbag, he will resource guard.. though the resources tend to be US (doesnt work he tries it and we get up and walk away from him!).

Ive had to put him out of the room twice this morning because he thought it would be rather amusing to stand over my lurcher (who was lying down, pointedly ignoring him)  and walk around him in a very bolshy 'im the boss of you big dog' sorta way....

If it helps... Mr I Am here was still with his mum at 16 weeks ... after all the others had left at much nearer 8 weeks... the other adult dogs in the household were two Shih Tzus who he would run ragged... so hes learned to be a little bratling from a very early age!

Oh he sounds so much like my 19 month old Inka pushy, brattish, bullying, but she is slowly growing out of it with me backing the older crew when needed.

In fact a few months ago she was really challenging my 12 year old who is no longer as physically capable as the youngster, had to wade in to preserve the old girls dignity and make it quite clear that it was unacceptable.

He sounds like he's right in the middle of adolescence ;)  a real Kevin!    At this age he has HUGE amounts of testosterone surging through his little body, so no wonder he's behaving like a git :-D

Personally I would wait until he's much older before giving up on him maturing and responding to training :)

You say he's being aggressive with the others, but that's how my terriers play, there isn't always play bowing, often the youngest will just barge the others growling like a lion and enthusiastic rough play ensues, if you didn't know better you'd think they were killing each other, there is a difference in the sound but only if you know them ;)    The older ones decide how long it continues tho and there's never any nastiness - they are all trained to have excellent bite inhibition tho ;)   I find the play bow etc only happens if she's with dogs she doesn't know very well, or if our dogs ignore her GRRRRR invite to play ;)

MY TT would tell men and older boys off if he thought they were a risk, he was quite protective of me when I was out with him - usually in more lonely situations ;)

Having a pushy, bolshy madam here (well two actually) I've found that time-outs are only effective if they are about 5mins +  and sometimes I have removed the youngster for an hour or so if I can see they are really wound up, tiredness can affect dogs in a similar way to babies and children - they get bratty!

I would also look at what food he is being fed, some foods definitely wind my dogs up, and the youngster gets bratty on food that the other two are fine on, so she has a different food at the moment and the difference is enormous.  It had got to the stage where if the other dogs didn't kill her, I would have she's lovely on this food, but I have proved with her that simply changing back to the other's food she gets manic, bolshy and IYF within days ;)

Right you've convinced me I am having a wobble - the boys nuts are safe for now!

Dill - i find the very short sharp time outs most effective BUT.... if he has got himself into a state we will go off and do something else, whether thats go and get brushed or he can chill out somewhere else away from the others for a bit depends on whats going on, but some winding down time is handy!

I shall make more of an effort to step in and send the little b*gger out when hes being a ratbag/pushing his luck and also to reward him when he ISNT being a pest. He really DOES think the world revolves around him and he oughta get what his heart desires if he juuuuuuust barks loud enough :D

Im still not sure on the growly bargey thing, he is very very demonstrative about play... bum up, front down, smack the paws down on the floor, fakey jump forwards and back and yip  'play with me PLAY WITH ME RIIIIIIGHT NOWWWWWWW'..

This morning he stood at the top of the stairs and I could SEE him thinking... and as my 10 year old staffie x comes up the stairs, gitbag said 'grr' and Rocky turned around and went back down again... But I distracted him (was sat on the loo at the time so couldnt do much else!) and he allowed rocky up then.

As for food - hes on a raw diet which he loves and all seems to be well in that department (nice solid little poos etc).

I shall revisit this thread in another 6 months and see how I feel - youd think id never had a horrible bratty puppy before... but i HAVE... it was just a while back! (My bedlington x whippet... he was uber bratty too!).

LOL

Bedlington pups are always bratty, they are soo ott with everything and so bright  :-D

Just remember you have a very, very intelligent little dog in Errol - TTs are known for it.  So you'll always need to be a few steps ahead, but you've been there before with your Beddie Lurcher ;)

Cheers, kick up bottom recieved and I have stopped wibbling!

Ive been much quicker off the mark timing him out for being a brat tonight and he has also had a longer walk, as a result he has been MUCH more pleasant towards the other dogs.

Ive also been pre-empting his behaviour and distracting him before he can become a pain and again this is helping a lot.

Thankyou!