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Topic Dog Boards / Breeding / Bitch Mated By Two Different Dogs. What do I do?
- By lucysmith [gb] Date 06.03.10 06:57 UTC Edited 06.03.10 08:28 UTC
I am here for urgent advice as i have made a terrible terrible mistake. My bitch was mated on Sunday (day 12 - 30 min tie) & Tuesday (Day 14 - 30 min tie) to a fabulous stud , this has been planned for a very long time. To my horror and disgust (at myself) my own male (same breed) managed to get to her yesterday (day 17) and they tied. I am absolutely heartbroken , i only popped upstairs to get washing and got caught on the phone for a few mins , there were two barn doors between them , he has never ever attempted to climb over doors before. I heard some movement so came downstairs to find them tied , it was only for a matter of ten mins.

What on earth do i do? Is it possible to have a litter with 2 fathers ?? Would it be that just one of them will be the father depending on what day she took?

I realise i have ruined everything that has been planned for well over a year now and i really don't know what to do , plaese advise.
Lucy
- By agilabs Date 06.03.10 07:18 UTC
Well I'm no expert but................
Yes it is possible for a litter to have 2 fathers. I understand you can still register puppies if you DNA test after birth to find who's whos so to speak. I would think that if your own dog is an inappropriate stud for her (are they related?) then your only option is to get her the 'injection' (Can't remember what it's called) that terminates pregnancy and try again next season. Or I suppose DNA test and cull the undesirables but I certainly wouldn't want to do that myself.
I'm sorry that all your plans have come unstuck, obviously you now know that a bitch in season can inspire a dog to new heights of agility!  I bred a litter of labs 3 years ago, all fine. On her next season she was in a brick kennel with a wood and mesh door. I had my Dog outside loose, came round the corner after 1/2 hour to find that he's ripped the mesh off the door and climbed through a 2ft square hole 3ft up. Not bad for a dog that was in the thros of being treated for a really nasty eye ulcer! I had her injected and she was absolutely fine.
- By Hazenaide [gb] Date 06.03.10 07:24 UTC
I also believe there can be 2  sires and you could test when the puppies are born and register them as such but as has been said I suppose it depends on your dog and closeness etc etc
Feel for you as I am sure this is easy to happen and having just had a long awaited and planned litter know about the feeling of anticipation of wanting puppies from a particular mating.
Diane
- By alib79 [hu] Date 06.03.10 07:32 UTC
im sorry, you have too chooses really to do the mis-mate injection to end the pregnancy or to carry on with the pregnancy and do dna test on pups, if you dont plan to use your boy again i would get him castrated for next time. personally i would get the injection if this was a very wanted litter from the stud and try again next season has your girl had litters before and how old is she all theses factors need to be taken into account.
so sorry
- By lucysmith [gb] Date 06.03.10 07:45 UTC
Thank you for your reply , my boy is not at all related to her , he himself is a very sought after stud , he has fab health results and temp to die for etc but i used the other stud as i felt he complimented my bitch better in his build and also my boy carries the longcoat gene which i didn't want popping up if i could help it. I would happily DNA test them when they are born , i am very very reluctant to get the injection as apart from the fact that this has been planned for sucha long time i have many people waiting for one of these pups, however i will do it if i have no choice , i am utterly devestated that i have let her down in this way.
- By ho1mer [gb] Date 06.03.10 08:24 UTC
how old is your bitch ?  if needs be could she have another letter next year ? if the answer is yes then your situation is not the end of the world so stop beating yourself up over it.
let her have the litter, as it sounds as though it should be fine if your boy is the father,  have all the pups DNA tested to prove who the father is,  if it is your own dog then you could use the other dog next time,  ok so you would have to wait another year or so but all good things come to thoughs who wait. 

IF your bitch is to old for another litter you still have 2 choices,  have the jab to terminate and try again next time or have you thought about letting her have the litter and if your boy is the father could you keep a bitch and when she is 2 put the new bitch to the original stud (if health tests, lines ect. are good )

remember we all make mistakes and accidents happen,  just make sure you learn from them.
- By magica [gb] Date 06.03.10 08:25 UTC
What a shame..:-(
It is very real a bitch having different fathers for pups my friends dog got accidentally pregnant and would not abort the unborn pups.
6 were born in all, sets of 2 one male and one female with same coat pattern and build. So we could see that 3 fathers had there way with her. I have 2 here living with me one male very labrador in build but brown brindle. The tinkerbell who the previous owner swears she has a collie father she is jet black and much smaller in build. 
As people in the know have said here a DNA can sort it out for you officially. Maybe send your boy away next time?
- By Carrington Date 06.03.10 08:34 UTC
he has never ever attempted to climb over doors before. I heard some movement so came downstairs to find them tied , it was only for a matter of ten mins.

Where there's a will, there's a way! :-) He had obviously been waiting for his chance and took it. Very unfortunate, the fact that she was still receptive to being mated may be bad news, it's possible as already said that she will whelp from both Sire's. All you can do is the DNA tests and hope for the best, if you do not wish to treminate.

Hey, could be worse, could be the mongrel from down the road. No point in getting stressed what will be will be.

I'll be keeping my fingers crossed for you.
- By Merlot [de] Date 06.03.10 10:14 UTC
I had this happen when on my way back from the stud I stopped at a friends for a cuppa and her male (Very determined) managed to open the car doors navigate the dog gaurd and climb in with her!!! all in the space of 5 mins while we were cooing over her new born tiny medditerrainian donkey foal. We could not be 100% sure he had not had a very quick mating so I let the pregnancy continue and DNA tested the litter (9) all were the choosen studs so no problems. If niether dog nor bitch are dna tested you need to do them as well (Obviously) and of course the romeo!!
I would let it continue if your male is a fully paid up member of the health test gang!! You can register them all with the KC once it is done. A word of warning though do it as soon as they are born as the tests take a while to come back and may delay your KC reg. And you have to give them all names and stick to the right name for each pup as it gets registered with the dna profile. Sooo if you are keeping one and are fussy about the name it makes it a little difficult as sure as eggs is eggs the pup you like the best at 3 days and give your name to will be the one you think is wrong at 7 weeks!! Murpheys law ;) ;)
Aileen
- By JeanSW Date 06.03.10 11:56 UTC
Most responsible breeders do their utmost to to ensure no mismates.  You say that you have made a terrible mistake.

But it happens to the best of us.

It happened to me with a bitch, and the first (planned) mating went well.  She later broke her neck to mate with a different breed (of my own.)  This happened about 3 or 4 days after the planned matings.  I ran to make sure I removed the male, and the little b****r ran behind the settee.  By the time I had pulled it out from the wall, they were tied.

When the pups were born, it was obvious that they were all the same breed.  What I'm saying is, even though a bitch can carry pups from 2 different sires, it doesn't always happen.   I would go ahead with the litter, and wait and see.  Good Luck.
- By sam Date 06.03.10 12:21 UTC
ditto above but also remember that the whole litter can also be sired just by the one sire. Our neighbours ft ch. lab was mated to another, and then his farm dog caught it a few days later....all pups were half collie :( Likewise I know someone else who mated their bitch and when they whelped the all had coats...... in a smooth breed so had to accept another dog of another breed had got into their paddock unknown to them. go for the dna testing route.
- By lucysmith [gb] Date 06.03.10 14:00 UTC
Thank you all for your caring advice , i think i will most probably let the pregnancy progress and dna test once born , all 3 adults are already dna profiled so it will be relatively simple. My girl is only 4 and incredibly fit and healthy , if it turns out all pups are sired by my boy i will still keep a bitch and go from there. Can't make solid plans til i know for sure who they came from. Thanks again , we live and learn i guess , not a mistake i will ever make again!

Lucy
- By Merlot [de] Date 06.03.10 15:05 UTC
not a mistake i will ever make again!

Brave words!!! should have ensured the cock up fairy will be keeping a close eye on you now...look out!!! ;) ;) ;)
Best of luck with you pups and I hope like me the choosen sire had aready done his deed to perfection.
Aileen
- By ANNM172 [gb] Date 06.03.10 15:52 UTC
Good Luck - Sounds as though if all puppies are born healthy you won't have many concerns
- By lleonder [gb] Date 08.03.10 01:21 UTC
Lucy it happened in our breed a few years ago, luckily caught by a non related dog.  The breeder DNA tested soon after birth and the litter had two sires.  They were all KC registered.  The only problem I know it caused was that a lot of the new owners still believed they were picking up pups from the original sire.  Honesty is the best policy.
Good luck
- By Brainless [gb] Date 08.03.10 01:45 UTC Edited 08.03.10 01:52 UTC
What you can do if the mating to the original stud is much wanted, and no overriding reason (like health issues) why pups by your own dog would be a disaster, is to DNA test the puppies when they arrive and of course DNA test your male. 

This will tel you which pups are sired by your own male and the others of course will be by the other dog.

There are facilities to register dual sired litters with the Kennel club, assuming your own male is not full brother or sire of the bitch of course, in that case any pups by him could not be registered.
- By SharonM Date 08.03.10 08:11 UTC
A lady I know in our breed same thing happened to her, so she had the whole litter DNA tested, along with her own boy (who was the second mating) ends up the whole litter were her own boys.
- By Brainless [gb] Date 08.03.10 09:21 UTC
The OP is lucky as all three are DNA tested, but if they were not it would be enough to test sire and dam and one of the two males.

Though I don't know if the KC rules insist on both, but I would think not, because in the case of an unknown romeo from over the fence being involved, it would be just the wanted stud and the bitch.
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