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Topic Dog Boards / Breeding / Inducing a season.
- By Askara [gb] Date 23.02.10 11:32 UTC
I have a husky bitch who had a normal season at 8 months then again at 18 months, she is now just coming up 4 years old and hasnt had a visible season since. She is kept with her husky boyfriend who notices when any of our other girls have seasons and hes hasnt seen aything ith her.
Our boy is the last of his line alive from that breeder and she would like a pup from him with our girl.. but if she wont come in to season we are a little stuck. I read you can give a shot to bring them in is this true? If so what does it do, does the bitch require assistance keeping the pregnancy etc.
- By Brainless [gb] Date 23.02.10 11:39 UTC
The problem is if your bitch does not come into season naturally and you did manage to do it artificially you could be storing up fertility issues for later generations.  Also there can be health reasons for lack of seasons, most common is an under active thyroid.  Now Northern breeds will often come back as in the low normal range where in fact for them they are under active, so a full thyroid panel is needed to clarify.
- By Askara [gb] Date 23.02.10 12:59 UTC
Cheers B.

I just spoke to my husband about it and said how much do you want this.. as shes cracking on age wise etc. Said its going to cost a shed loads just to see if she could even carry.. he was game for this.. so i'll speak to my vet and see where he wants to go from there.

I will get her tyriod doen first before i do any of the breed health testing as if shes never going to carry then no point.

has anyone else had a problem with their woofs?
- By klb [gb] Date 23.02.10 13:54 UTC
In theory you can induce a fertile season in a "normal" bitch using a drug called cabergoline. It is relatively expensive and typically takes 13 days or so to induce signs pro -oestrus, blood testing would need to be undertaken to ensure hormone levels had increased adequately to produce full ovulation as you can have signs of season without the bitch actually producing eggs. In bitches who responded sucessfully to the drug studies have shown that conception rates after inducing seasons with this drug are approx 77%.

If you want to consider breeding from this bitch I would seek a referral to a canine reproduction expert who will be able to advise on investigations of the cause of her prolonged anoestus as a first stage - as Brainless says even if you can get this girl to have a season, and can get her in whelp, you may just be store up problems in the next generation. If all early  investigations seem ok then you could move onto breed specific health testing and if still not in season after all that could perhaps try inducing a season with support from the repro expert.

This will certainly not be a quick process, it will be very costly and there can be no certainty of getting pups. Probably only worth the effort if the lines are considered too valuable to loose.

K
- By Merlot [hu] Date 23.02.10 14:07 UTC
Probably only worth the effort if the lines are considered too valuable to loose.

I have to say (My opinion only) that it is never right to interfeer so much with nature. There may be many reasond why a bitch does not ovulate and to manipulate with medicine is not right. We have so many homeless dogs that it should never be nesessary to intervene like this.

There are plenty of any breed around for us not to do this. I cannot think of an instance where line are too valuble to loose as I would struggle to think of a breed that is so close to extinction as to need this level of intervention, and to save a "Line" is not a good enough reason. Why save a line that maybe a wonderfull specmine of it's breed by manipulation of basic ovulation only to then create a "Line" with reproduction problems? That then in my mind becomes a "Line" I would not touch with a barge pole?
If you want to be a good breeder then find a bitch who is from good whelping lines and ensure you are not damaging your breed by perpetuating a serious problem.

Aileen
- By Askara [gb] Date 23.02.10 14:40 UTC
Aileen.. tbh i totally agree with you.

Huskies arnt really my area, more my husbands. Dobes are my thing! Her bloodline fine, its our dog who the breeder of him would like a pup back from.
I am not all that fussed over it and happy as them as pets. I am sure if i "forgot" to take her to the vets for her checkup and find out why problems for about a year this would be fine! ;)
- By Merlot [hu] Date 23.02.10 14:49 UTC
Hi Askara

If it is your Dogs lines he is keen to keep and said dog has no problems then why not let him use him at stud? You could ensure your boy has any relevant health checks and that way feel easy that you were not passing on any problems. Just tell him that you think your bitch is not suitable for breeding as she has a reproduction problem. (If he argues this then maybe he is not the best breeder around!)
When all is said and done it is you who will have to live with the consequences if your stock pass on any undesirable traits! And believe me you will get the blame!! People are very quick to chatter amongst themselves!!
Aileen
- By Askara [gb] Date 23.02.10 15:20 UTC
oh i know! the 2 legged bitches are the ones to look out for more than the 4 legged ones!  LOL
- By Noora Date 23.02.10 17:03 UTC
Why not let his breeder have some semen  off him to use when he has a suitable bitch.
- By henrieke [gb] Date 23.02.10 18:44 UTC
In my opinion and experience, if a bitch wont have normal seasons, or refuses point blank to stand for a mating it is always for a reason.  I stand by 'the bitch knows best'.  I've known of bitches being forced to have litters, all carried to full term, half had C sections and no more than two puppies survived to 6 months old from each litter.  Its horrible to watch, and I had a few choice words to say to the owners!
I'm sure your bitch is gorgeous, but is it really fair on HER to go against nature to force a litter?  Is there not a suitable litter sister?  Rightly or wrongly I admit in the past I have 'borrowed' an in season bitch for the day to sit with my bitch before to bring her regular 7 month season in 2 weeks early so that she would be out of season in time for a Champ show.  This has always worked with no ill effect.  If you do go ahead, could you please try this first?
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