PLEASE CAN ANY ONE HELP I WAS MISLEAD AND HAVE PURCHASED THIS DOG, NOW I HAVE FOUND OUT WHAT THEY ARE, AND AS I HAVE KIDS I NEED TO REMOVE THE DOG, ANY IDEAS
MOIRA

Moira ...can you register with us and then explain a bit more please?

We have a poster here called Mr Murphy who I am sure will be able to talk to you and help ....

Melody :)

have now logged and registered
moira

Welcome to the forum Moira :-)

Have you approached your dogs breeder to see if they will take the dog back?

not yet, i have contacted the police and at this moment i am waiting for a reply

Hi Moira and welcome :)
Would it be possible for you to go into a bit more detail concerning your situation?
Such as -- How you were "misled"? How old is the puppy/dog? What is its behavior at the moment? Is it dangerous now or are you worried about future? etc...?
toodles

HI,

I think she is refering to the belief that irish staffords are actually pit bulls... This is not esssentially true, though some people to hide them under that moniker - or a staff crosses. Do you have proof that this pup is a pit bull? Because irish staffords do look different to your KC reg ones - they are longer in the head, leaner and lighter built - but they can and most do have the smae temprament as any other stafford. Lots of socialisation with dohgs and people from a very very early age is what is called for . They are no more a dnager to yourself or to your children than any other breed of dog if they are bought up correctly.

Alex

we have a bitch staff who is wonderful, and we wanted another and saw an advert for staff pups, husband went and saw a large boy the breeder said they were irish staffs, we didn't know any better. Now i do not want this dog, i have read up on them and quite frankly i find them scary.

Hi again Moira.....have the Police said what they are going to do at all? They will probably want the name and address of the breeder in order to check the person and their dogs out .

Have to say , on the market here yesterday , there is a stall holder who has a litter of Irish Staffs and was openly advertising the pups ....I rather assumed this was legit ..

Melody

Melody. Irish staffs are legal. However, what a lot of APBT breeders (Illegal!) do, is call their pups irish staffords, to sell them.

IMO, if you really feel this way and are scared of the breed, your best bet is to return the puppy to the breeder as soon as possible --for the dog's sake.
That's probably the first telephone call you should make and not to the police since no laws have been broken. I really don't understand where the police would come into this unless the dog bit a child or something illegal had happened.
good luck with the wee puppy.
toodles

Being a bit of a dumb dumb, I am a bit confused (nothing new there then!) I really thought Irish Staffs were Staffordshire bull terriers that have been bred in Ireland and were of Irish lines - ooohh obviously I am a dumb dumb, now I knew that American Staffs were a different breed, and know that American Bulldogs are too (a friend of mine has a rescue one - gorgeous girl!!) But would like some more info on the Irish Staff - if nobody minds???? If I do a search will I get the info I want ? Are they actually illegal in the uk then? do I sound really stupid - I feel it? :D :D :D Julie:)

Yes, do a search ;-)

Thankyou Leigh :D :D :D :D I will!!! Julie:)

I think, sara & Julie, that the problem is that Irish Staffs are a breed....no problem...end of story. However, in order to be able to advertise APBT's (which are of course illegal to breed from/sell etc) then people CALL them irish staffs as a way of selling them without drawing attention to their illegal activities. Maybe this is what Moira has discovered? Obviously I don't know this to be her situation, but its possible.

I see your point and agree with that possibility, Sam. I'm just going on what I'm reading from her post. --
Husband brought home puppy from "Irish Staff" breeder. Moira then "read up on" the ISBT 'breed.' So now doesn't want the puppy because of reports of breed aggression, and wants it gone from her house to protect her children.

Wouldn't contacting the breeder to see about returning the pup be the first step?
If there is actual fraud involved, calling the police is a good idea. But her original query was to get the puppy out of her home due to its 'breed'.
This could be easily resolved if the breeder agrees to take the puppy back. If not, then contact Police, Breed rescue, RSPCA, etc...

Cleopatra/sam/and Toodles have said it all. I wont go into it anymore on here as it can be a very long drawn emotive topic that has been aired e few times recently. A search under ISBT orAPBT or Irish Staff should get all the old threads out. If anyone wants to discuss the Irish staff they can e mail me.
Mick

As a reply to the guest. If you are so afraid of the ISBT then I dont think you have the right make up or mentality to own any Bull or Terrier breed. So your man just went out and looked at a dog that he knew nothing about and said I'll have one of those, heres your dosh. How much did he pay for the dog?. Was a pedigree of any sort given or discussed?. If you assumed it was a staff would you not have wanted its pedigree?. You say you have a staff, Im sorry but you dont sound like a bully person. Bully people tend to like all bully breeds regardless of reputation. Proper ISBT's are like gold to find in the UK, they are not illegal. It took me 6 months to find two pups with years of history and pedigree. The real ISBT's are sold without advertising. I have an 11 month old male, and a 4 month old female that I may breed all being well in a couple of years approximately, I have bookings provisionally for 4 pups so far. If you are genuine you probably have a poorly bred ISBT or some sort of cross. This does'nt make them bad dogs or unhealthy dogs, they are still bully's.
Perhaps its another devil dog wind up.

I think that is very harsh Mr Murphy ..especially as I asked the guest to register AND I put forward your name ..I assumed you would give helpful and useful advise :(

To say to the guest that she *doesn't SOUND like a bully person* is daft ..just what does a bully person sound like?

I'm sorry ..but I don't feel that you are being helpful .

Melody - disappointed

Hi, I don't know an awful lot about BTs but I am feeling alittle confused!!! I spent months researching the right dog for me, speaking to breeders etc and have found the perfect companion for me..... Surely all bull terriers have a similar temperament (of course I maybe wrong) ,So how come you are scared of one but are quite happy to buy another as a family pet??????

Sorry but no they are not all good tempered, most like people but some are unstable. It all depends on if they are carefully bred or not. A badly bred puppy of any breed may not follow the bred norm in conformation or temperment. We have not been told by this lady why she is so concerned but I quess it is because she or someone else have decided it is a Pit Bull, when in fact it is likely to be a badly bred Staff or a Staff cross but unless the lady comes back to us to give more detail we can only speculate. Ja:)kie

But surely if the puppy's only crime is to look like it might have a bad temperament is not a good reason to send police to the breeder???

Unless the lady tells us we dont know, we don't even know if it's a pup. Think I will wait until thing are more clear before I make any more coment. Ja:)kie

Im sorry Melody I just feel that the post sounds a bit hysterical to me.

Perhaps your right and I am wrong. I am loaded with the flu. Maybe its affecting my judgement. Not making excuses though.

Regards Mick

Oh dear ...hope you feel better soon Mr Murphy :(

I just think we *have* to take each post as though it is genuine until we know otherwise ....and at least Moira registered :)

Melody

mr murphy--it might be the implications that the new owner is struggling with-as its illegal to own a pitbull, if she feels shes been duped into buying one, then it mightbe shes a law abiding person and cant see a way out :(
also "IF" . its a pitbull she may not feel experienced enough to cope with it [even if she wanted too] , it is a sort of no mans land to most, --if irish staffords are considered a true breed, then how come theyrenotregistered with the kc, --another thing in common with the pitbull, -i feel sorry for this person, its such a minefield out there with the way many adverts are phrased, i read them often and wonder???? :D

Hi Dizzy

I doubt very much its a pit bull. They are available. They are not normally advertised. You might get staff x pit x whatever put out under the ISBT banner. You will also find people with illegal pits saying they are ISBTs to stop them being taken from them. What this person most likely has is what they bought,(giving them the benefit of the doubt that they are genuine) a bull terrier of unknown origin.

As to why the Kc dont recognise the breed, it is probably the same as the reasons why they dont recognise numerous true breeds.

Regards Mick

Cant you just return the pup to the breeder you bought it from- seems the best and easiest thing to do to me??
Gina

one of the reasons the kc do not register the isbt is because it is a cross of bull terrier x stafford in many cases.psycho and stormer 2 of the foundation dogs were 1/16 and 1/2 (english) bull terrier blood.i have found it is just as simple for the unscrupulous breeder to have his apbt's registered as staffords if he has owned them before he just needs invent a litter from his own male and female and thats it.the irish stafford is legal but imo is not a breed but a cross bull terrier.the red strain and flynn lines are more pure but in their pure form are hard to find.the fact they are not registered has meant some apbt blood has been smuggled into SOME lines and a few apbt's will be masqueading as ISBT's (i hate the term as they all originate from english show staffords of the 60's and 70's).on the whole though if you have bought an ISBT then their was no reason to go to the police and odds are you will have a stable family pet.

hi all
mick you are right if people are breeding pit bulls they do not normally advertised them. as they have buyer lined up to buy them.i am sorry to say but the breeder of these dog is very underground about it. i also think as mick said that this dog is not a pit bull.

lorraine

WELL, NICE REPLY. ALL I ASKED FOR WAS A BIT OF ADVICE, I READ ON A SEARCH ABOUT ISBT AND WAS QUITE SHOCKED BY MY FINDINGS. I DID RETURN THE DOG TO THE BREEDER, I ONLY ASKED THE POLICE FOR ADVICE, NOT FOR PROSECUTION. I HAVE ALWAYS HAD DOGS ADMITTEDLY AIRDALE TERRIERS MOSTLY AND I FEEL QUITE ABLE TO HANDLE MY 'BULLY STAFF'. YOURE REPLY WAS TOTALLY UNCALLED FOR AND RUDE, I CAN THINK OF MANY THINGS I WOULD LIKE TO CALL YOU BUT SHORT OF LOWERING MYSELF TO YOUR LEVEL I THINK I LEAVE IT.

KIND OR NOT SO KIND REGARDS
MOIRA

If I was rude the post would have been removed. Your original post sounds a bit OTT. I wanted a dog My husband bought a dog. We bought the wrong dog. Im scared. I want the dog out of here before it gobbles up all my little kiddy's. I have been to the police. Did the dog come home with a ski mask and baseball bat or what?. Its this stupid hysteria that gives all bull terrier owners(inc staff owners)the daily hassle they get with the publics perception of our breeds. Thats why I said you dont sound like a bully type to me. Sorry if I upset you, but you upset me by saying that you found out about these dogs and now you are afraid for your familys safety, making out that my breed of dog is naturally dangerous. This is completely unfounded and biased. I do my best to promote my dogs good temperament. People with your attitude towards these types of dog make that hard work.

The ISBT/APBT/Staff/English Bull terrier/Am staff/ Am bull/etc the list of these types of dog go on, all are as stable as any other dogs. The cross bred types are probably just as stable. Its the unstable owners that are the problem. Sure you get the odd dangerous dog, but that goes for every breed and every crossbreed.

The Isbt is no more likely to bite your kids or anything else than your staff is. If its a real Isbt you should be happy, you have a good dog.

I would like to point out that I am neither being cheeky or rude. I am merely stating facts about my breeds of dog, and your post(which has a very familiar style about it). I dont comment on labradors or Alsations or any other breed of dogs nature as I dont know anything about them. Perhaps people who know nothing of my breed should do the same.

All the best Have a nice day a nice christmas and a nice life. Mick