I like golden retrievers, the one i had was easy to train & she had a nice temperament but she was heavy coated and took a lot of grooming, so next time i get another dog i think i might go for a labrador.

So what's the pro's & con's of your breed, & would you choose that breed again. :)

Spaniel show cocker - lovely dog the coat is fine with regular grooming, pro's devoted friend - con devoted friend when you have to get on with something, likes to be close thats all over the house and outside the loo door, you cant leave him long he needs company
Does need a good comb almost daily and keeping clean - grooming 6 weekly would I have again - tomorrow, he's my best friend.

Border Collie - high mainteance walking wise, very clever needs stimulation, very thick coat and needs grooming to pull out the hair - cons - MUST be exercised no wait until later for this one, but he can be left to sleep for an hour or two. Pro - cant be a coach potato ever. Would I have another one - no but by the time its time to get another we will be far too old to keep up. But neither of us would miss having had one once in a lifetime he's wonderful but is hard work and a one man dog and that my OH's not me!! Im tolerated if he is out.

Dogue De Bordeaux- lovely short coat, minimal grooming-very devoted, loyal companion and great family dog. Lower energy dogs... sleepy dogs.
Cons- drool (doesn't bother me though), ummmm can be stubborn and head strong.
I would most definitely have another Dogue, however its going to be tough to meet up to Murphy's standards lol

>> So what's the pro's & con's of your breed, & would you choose that breed again.

Mastiff.
CONS.
Size - needing to get a larger to car to fit him in, passing people on walks on narrow pathways, if walking in slippy conditions he only has to step into me ot knock me over, socialising with strangers & other dogs is hard due to public perception (even as a pup). Don't have the room for another Mastiff :( Easily kncok you off your feet in play or bargin past, or drag you to the door (or even give you a ride to the door if he tries going through your legs )
Slobber - it gets everywhere
Shedding - (I can't understand how he isn't bald!!)
Temperment
stubborn, if he doesn't want to do something it is extremely difficult to entice him to do it, even with his best motivator (food), it has many implications - eg. passing people (esp. on narrow pathways) if he decides he wants to say hello he will sit in the middle of the path and will not be moved, despite the most embarasing high-pitched vocal eticement form me and rubbing cheese in his nostrils! If he wants to go a different way than I do on a walk, he will sit/stand facing the way he wants to go (but it only takes about 15 mins now-a-days for him to give in and follw me - yay progress!! :) )
Playful with other dogs as he hasn't matured yet (I expect him to outgrow this), this would not be a con for a smaller dog, but people really do not like such a huge dog doing a play-bow at thier dog, even if it has ambushed us and it can get tricky tring to stay on ones feet when he gets OTT :(

PROS.
Size. Yep, its a 'pro' too!. When walking in slippy conditions, he can be used as a hand-rail (grab collar which is at hand-height, say 'walk gentle' and he'll slowly take one step at a time), or he can be used as an 'anchor', great for going up hill- send him ahead on long-line, say 'wait' and use long line as winch to pull oneself up the hill :) Loves rough-play so his sizes makes that easy.
His size makes him robust, so it doesn't matter if you step on him, LOL (but it's not nice if he steps on your feet!).
Perfect size for big, hearty, cuddles and you can use him as a pillow to cuddle up against on the sofa.
Slobber
Can be used to one's advantage when you meet somebody you'd rather not hang around to chat too, LOL (" must dash, before he flicks his head and sends that 8 inch slinger your way" ).
Temperment
Doesn't appear to see the bad in other dogs, even when they are not being very nice to him :)  Loves meeting poeple. Adores cats, pays no interest to birds/small aniamls. LOVES being 'lounged' on - he'll happily spend the whole day snoozing on the sofa if he has somebody draped over him! Really chilled-out and the perfect couch-potato companion.

Would I choose this breed again? YES, without a doubt! the only problem is I simply can't fit 2 of them in my home, we've talked & talked about it, but it just will not work (haven't got the room for 2 dog beds that size and if they both slept on the sofa we would have nowehre to sit!). So if we do get another dog while we have Buster(really want one, but he's got some maturing & training left to do yet), it would have to be something smaller (lab size would fit).

Oh dear, I've waffled on again, I could type all day about my doggie!!

Akita - Pro's...fun, keeps you on your toes, very loyal, aloof (I like this).
          Con's....temperamental with other dogs, when they moult, they really do moult! And can be very stubborn.

Rottweilers - Pro's.....fun and very playful, they love a good play with other dogs, very trainable and they enjoy making their brain work, will sleep after a good walk and be content, and very loving and cuddly.
Con's....can't really think of any but occasionally the males can be a little pushy if allowed.

weimaraner.
pros. live wire personality. very interactive breed. all go.  keep you on your toes.

cons-see above !

Leonberger
Cons:
lot of hair to clean up during blowing season
can be a bit clumsy
need a big car with fab suspension :-p
have to have dog friendly holidays because family members are reluctant to look after them due to their size
are addictive
cant walk 5 paces in unfamiliar territory without someone stopping you with: what breed is that? whats it crossed with? where they from? you should put a saddle on it? (like we've never heard that before), it looks like a lion (that was the idea) etc

Pros
hairy to snuggle in to
clumsy.... make you laugh
people dogs, easy to "train" provided you start early
incredibly loyal
great way to meet people (nobody knows what they are)
are active breed if you are active person, lazy breed if you are lazy person
want to be with you all the time
cuddly dogs
good deterents (sp) for thieves, salesmen, etc
not particularly noisy unless they need to be!
handy grab rails when you need extra balance
happy to carry your shopping
laid back
big dogs
full of character and very puppy like no matter how old
are addictive
doesnt see bad in other dogs (this could really go in cons list)
won't fight back even if provoked (could also be considered a con)

would i have another one...? i cant think of any breed that i would want after a leo. have a border collie, but he's way too intelligent for me, love him to bits tho

border collie
Cons
way way way too intelligent
very energetic
gets bored easily due to high level of intelligence
shed quite a lot
can be a bit noisy
have tendancy to be a little sharp if you dont nip it in bud as youngster

Pros
very intelligent, within 7 days as 9 week old pup had learnt sit, down, paw, rollover, beg, bring it, drop, stay, wlk to heal
highly alert
alert you of intruders
when you manage to tire them they love a cuddle
suit an active person/ family
will play all day given chance
LOYAL
a good size for everyone, not too small to be hurt easy by kids, not to big to bowl people over, or clear a table
natural drive to please people
very good workers
self cleaning coats

would i have another...? not just yet, although i love him like no tomorrow, another bc would be too much for me to keep entertained

Bearded Collie.
pro:
Very Intelligent
extremely  loving ,
people dogs and thinks everyone 'want to speak to them' ,
brilliant with children,
beardie hugs are non negotiable :)
live to a good age
have beautiful eyes ..
learn easily ..never forgets!!
they recognise and are friendly with thier own breed..
bit like choccy ..cant just have one!!

Con:

free thinkers so can seem stuborn if they 'think they know an easier way and usually do',
need mental stimulation as well as physical ,
lot of grooming involved but hair easy to pick up as its like fluff.
cause a lot of attention when out when you just want to enjoy your walk.
can be immature
wet laps from beard
bouncy ,can jump 6ft fence with ease.
Sulk if left alone for long periods
would allow burglars in and offer them tea and a scone as long as they can be kissed all over!!!!

I have owned mastiffs for 40 years, they may slobber eat a lot spread mud round the house but would I change!! and I didn't want one. We do have to watch them with the poultry, but we have to watch for foxes too. I would hate to be without the mastiffs
They are slow learners but once they learn something they never forget. Early training is essential and sadly taking even a puppy round a town can get horrid remarks. They do have their admirers and melt when someone makes a fuss of them. Years ago we had one of the first Pat Dogs. Not long livers.
Their size alone is a detterent and voices to match, the daxies have very acute hearing.
I have had mini wire and long daxies for 16 years (my first one)who adore the mastiffs, they need a lot of grooming and the wires I now have to clip as I have RA and can't cope with the stripper. Teeth are a problem with them and we have had to dental work done. They also tend to have the awful habit of eating faeces. Never kill the poultry not so far but if they catch a hen will put it on its back and pluck the breast, so far have never got any further.

Working Cockers

Pros
Intelligent
Very active and athletic
Excellent little gundogs
Fun and challenging to train
Fantastic temperaments
Very characterful
Very loving and people-oriented
Minimal grooming required
Quiet, don't tend to be vocal or barky dogs
Good size, not too small but small enough to be able to lift over fences, into the car etc.

Cons
Very active - they need a lot of mental and physical stimulation
They have a very high hunt drive which if not channelled can result in poor recall and bogging off hunting
Can have a strong chasing drive
Challenging to train!
Love water and getting dirty is a speciality, they bulldoze through any cover and their ears and feathers pick up burrs and sticky willies like velcro
Stubborn and can be very strong-willed
They will steal every pair of socks you own and parade around the house with them
Have to be involved in everything and hate to be left out - you'll be lucky if you get to go to the loo on your own ever again, you certainly won't get to open a cupboard or kneel down on the floor without being immediately 'helped' with your task :-)

Would I have another one? I have 3, will have more and can't imagine having anything else!

Golden Retriever

Pros:

Intelligent with great desire to please
Gentle
Very Calm
Sunny disposition
Friendly with everything
Very loving and people-oriented
Will take as much or as little exercise on offer
Coat easy to maintain with a quick groom each day
Fun loving with a fantastic sense of Humour
Athletic and willing to turn their paws to most K9 disciplines

Cons:

Mud magnets, can find a thimble full of water in a 1000 acre park!!

Don't Knows:

No guarding tendancy, (3 years on i'm still waiting for her to bark when someone knocks on the door). I like this but suppose it could be a pro or con, depending on the owner

Sorry can't think of any more cons, as you can see I am smitten by the breed.

bernese mountain dog Pros = good loyal companion, laid back once matured, love cuddles, very sociable, great with children, fantastic hoovers! Easy to train, no slobber!  great when out on walks as people stop to admire them and ask questions about the breed!    cons = need lots of grooming, moulting, shorter life span then smaller breeds, being called a st bernard, batehoven dog, or cross breed, large collie etc by people that dont know the breed! Would i have another one? Yes please! 3 is just not enough! :) :)

Elkhound [only got/had 1] so def no expert
PROS
loving
gentle - especially with mE + MIne, my teenage kids/kids/ EVERYONE amicable
only needs a quick brush/comb through a couple of time a week [except when shedding - see cons] - great fun removing TONS of hair at 2x/year moult
wants to please
listens when you talk [verbally and body language[ally] - responds to your moods
understands what clothes you wear means what your going to do and how they shouldreact ie work wear  - keep your mawlers off - jeans or somesuch - walkies, rough and tumble, garden stuff, 'training'
good watchdog - can be taught when regular 'intruders' are ok - eg 'it's only the postman' only a muff or 2 to alert - depends on where you live - if lots of agro around can become quite tetchy
remember things for a long time - once learned never forgotten - with maybe just a little reminder
not that keen on other kinds of dogs - unsure of how to play [maybe only mine I think]
accepts being left as part of life but loves it when you're there
will come back - when they're ready
will always try to please you - when they're ready/not tooooo many distractions

CONS
TONS of shedding for about a month 2x year
put on weight v easily and adore food
remember bad things as well as good for a long time - learn for life
will come back - when they're ready
not that fond of playing ball - I've brought it once - why've you thrown it away again?

Wire fox terrier
Pros:
Cheerful, bouncy, energetic, always ready for a game.
Loves people.
Very clever.
Huge personality.
Independent but also very affectionate.
Very, very bold and feisty.
Always ready for new experiences, and approaches them all bravely.
No doggy smell.
No shedding (hand strip two or three times a year, though I have to clip now, as her wire coat gradually went after spaying, the coat still doesn't shed though).
The most wonderful expression. How could anyone resist?!

Cons:
Too clever for her own good sometimes.
Cunning and a thief!
Very opinionated, and not afraid to let you know if she doesn't want to do something.
Huge prey drive - goes deaf and forgets all commands if she sees something to chase.
Takes an instant dislike to some dogs (well, bitches actually!)
Very, very bold and feisty
Impossible to tell off - she thinks you are mad or joking. No one has managed it - not even our trainers at obedience classes.
Can bark for England (and, being very opinionated, likes to hear her own voice!)

Would I have another one?
Yes, in a heartbeat. But it's not the right time. However, I read all the breed club yearbooks, follow the show results and know which lines I like, so, one day, when the time is right, I will get another.

Claire

Great post Ive earmarked a big dog when im a older and maybe a Rough Collie, Oh and a worker and a retriever - did I say great post!!

Someone should write a book on the pro's & con's of each breed, then hopefully everyone gets the right breed for them. :)

Cavaliers - pros - loving and loyal, want to please you, happy to have long walks (build up fitness) or no walk in the rain. Wonderful lapdogs and lap warmers, really versatile - my girl does breed, obedience, rally, and dabbles in fun agility. Grooming not too bad, but easy to trim the length off the feathering on a pet to make it more manageable without completely destroying the look of the breed. Should be friendly and outgoing to all dogs and all people if properly socialised.

Cons - health issues - be sure to buy from breeders who health test for hearts, eyes and SM, and that will maximise (but not guarantee) your chance of a healthy dog. Will whinge constantly if you want to put them in another room if eating / entertaining non-doggy guests, though mine are fine if I'm not in the house at all, it's just if I'm there but not paying attention that they complain! Follow you everywhere, even into the bathroom if not stopped. Sometimes lack sense of self-preservation due to extreme friendliness!

American cockers - a bit bigger and more robust than the Cavalier, better if you want to do hillwalking. Again very friendly confident dogs, tail always wagging. Lots of different colours if you fancy more variety!

Pros - hips should be checked (I think, I don't breed these and can't remember what the advice was when we bought G anymore!), can be prone to 'cherry eye' though an op will fix this. More active than Cavalier, which is good if you want to do more, bad if you want to relax. My boy is a terrible scavenger and thief! Grooming much more involved, though you can trim the coat to a 'puppy cut' for convenience.

Pyrenean Mountain Dog:
Pro: Very protective, excellent guard dog, active outdoors, beautiful, love their family, calm and relaxed indoors, independent minded, long lived, take as little or as much exercise as you can give, though they do need a reasonable walk daily
Cons: Loud voice and they like to use it, prone to separation anxiety, can be tricky with other dogs (especially males), very powerful, leave hair everywhere even where you never thought hair could get to, get hot in warm weather, if vet is needed, bills cost a lot due to size, extremely independent

Saluki/Saluki Lurcher:
Pro: very laid back indoors, often very intelligent, independent, beautiful, affectionate, cheeky, love running, usually get on well with other dogs, stay young long, long lived, easy to care coats, relatively healthy breed, like lots of exercise
Cons: can have selective hearing if there are things about that run, very strong pray drive, exercise must be controlled as they can only be let off lead where safe, lots of recall training necessary to allow them to go off lead, don't ever seem to grow up properly, very accident prone, need lots of exercise especially a good run, salukis are extremely independent

American Cocker Spaniel:
Pro: wonderful temperament, affectionate, bidable, energetic, love playing, beautiful, handy size, very trainable, love working, total allrounder and will try his paw at anything, loves food, love company, take as much or as little exercise you give
Cons: many health issues, long coat needs lots of care, scavenger

Don't Knows:

No guarding tendancy, (3 years on i'm still waiting for her to bark when someone knocks on the door). I like this but suppose it could be a pro or con, depending on the owner

Depends entirely on the Golden, and its breeding. All mine have guarded, certainly barked when somebody knocked at the door but I've also had several that would guard properly -including one that chased burglars off.

Irish Setters

Pros : loving, fantastic sense of humour, good natured and good with other dogs, trainable,  love to play, beautiful to look at ;)

Cons : some of them can slobber, recall can be selective, never tire, when off lead you rarely see them (but they always know where you are !!) sense of humour (not funny when you are trying to do something and they are stealing socks/t-towels/baby bibs etc. ... although I still laugh !)

Mine will guard, they bark at the door but then proceed to bundle who ever it is to be first to get stroked !!  Exercise, I dont like to say they will take as much or as little as you want, I think all dogs need a certain level.  I would say they need a good 1-2 hours off lead running a day, not always possible and they do live with that but you can tell the days they havent had a good walk, more socks go missing, you are constantly harrassed to play tuggy and pat heads :)

> not that fond of playing ball - I've brought it once - why've you thrown it away again?
>

To me that is a pro there is nothing I want to do less than play ball, my friends Border collies are ball obsessed and you spend your whole walk tripping over them and being handed a slobbery ball ;)

Don't Knows:

No guarding tendancy, (3 years on i'm still waiting for her to bark when someone knocks on the door). I like this but suppose it could be a pro or con, depending on the owner

Depends entirely on the Golden, and its breeding. All mine have guarded, certainly barked when somebody knocked at the door but I've also had several that would guard properly -including one that chased burglars off.

Well I suppose it may come in time, but I won't be holding my breath and really don't mind. The funny thing is her Mum, Aunt & half sister are all noisier than any of my GSD's were. It's not that we have ever discouraged barking, she has just never shown any inclination.

Chow Chow
Pros: very loving, welcoming to visiters (although bark when they knock), they have no body odour! like to be with you but not demanding, calm & dignified, non-destructive, good with other dogs if they are friendly. They love their cuddles and are so soft and fluffy, tolerent of me grooming them and jump in the bath when asked. Born housetrained.

Cons: very high prey drive, embarrassing screams and 'yip, yip, yips' when prey spotted, no interest in recall even when bribed ( although sometimes they humour me), lots of grooming required and take forever to dry after their baths, can escape from sheep proofed fields so can very rarely be let off lead.

Pugs
Pros: very loving, cheeky, cuddly, fit nicely unnder one armpit when sitting on the sofa, never stray far if off lead, everybody loves them and they love everybody. Very easy to bath and groom

Cons: sometimes too cheeky but they somehow get away with it, never learn not to lick my coffee mug no matter how many times told and tongue burnt, need nose wrinkles cleaned. Very slow with house training, and still have to be taken out and supervised to make sure they do go. Gas.

Doberman
Pros: Very soppy and devoted, protective but not aggressive, very obedient and easy to train, good with other dogs and people once introduced. easy to groom

Cons: A bit needy, has no spatial awareness so quite clumsy, throws head around so carefull positioning needed for cuddles to retain teeth and not get nosebleed (sorry OH's grandad, forgot to let you know )

Gosh, how empty would my life be without my dogs?

Mel

Labradors.. Always wanting to please, up for anything, loves life and everyone in it! faithful, kind, intelligent

Can be a head strong especially in younger years, can be greedy.

Vizslas... Very Lively, very intelligent, busy dogs need to work their brains, clingy and super affectionate, great characters love em! loyal,

Can be vocal, whingey and strong willed and deaf!! I blame the ears LOL:)

forgot an important thing about mine ........... they love mud and love water (not swimming in it, just wallowing !!!)

Isbts. Pros I love bullys. Cons hyper and can be a handful. APBT. Pros everything. Cons Other peoples opinion of the breed.

Welsh Springers--PRO: cheerful, devoted, working, handsome, active, self cleaning coat, more fun than people ;)

CON: the coat is self cleaning because the carpet gets it and, like M&Ms, you can't just have one!

Would I choose a welshie again? I already have...3 times. And whenever I need to wind up my family, I just tell them I am planning to get another. I see three as a minimum requirement

> Isbts. Pros I love bullys. Cons hyper and can be a handful. APBT. Pros everything. Cons Other peoples opinion of the breed.

I would think the main 'con' for both these breeds is that they're illegal!

Borzoi

Pros - Breathtakingly beautiful, loyal, very sound with no genetic health problems, aloof with strangers, very quiet and unassuming in the house.
Cons - Constantly shedding hair, typical sighthound - if I can see it I'm gonna catch it and eat it

Border Collie

Pros - smart, quick, biddable, trainable & entertaining
Cons - impossible to tire out, so intelligent they can sometimes make their own entertainment up

Silken Windhound

Pros - the same as the borzoi - breathtakingly beautiful, sound, loyal little creatures.
Cons - so sweet, cute and beautiful it's far too easy to spoil them!

"titter".. :)

What's in Isbts anyway? 

On the other hand......
Staffordshire bull terrier

Pros

Lively, fun, completely devoted
Fantastic character
Besotted with humans
Always happy and good tempered
Biddable (sp)
Loyal (same as devoted I know)
Great at obedience

Cons

Definitely some people's general perception of the breed
Not always good with other canines

Either/either

Strength compared to size
Too lively for some owners?

> What's in Isbts anyway?

I'm guessing an Irish Staff?

Schipperkes - depending on the day I'm having these can swap lists lol

Pro's energetic, very busy be they alone or in a group, turn the fire on and they do the couch potato impression, long lived 16 average, great coat no knots mud will groom straight out when dry, can hand groom, love people but can be aloof, bark at strange noises or risks.  Funny behaviours not adverse to following the cat onto a table etc, have one who sits/lay on the dinning room chair when I sit down - even when said chair is tucked under the table!  Another uses our crate of plastic bottles like a ball play pen throws himself in and rolls around like a kid then chooses 1 bottle to hunt and kill like the cats.

Con's entergetic, few bring a ball back a 2nd time, blow enough coat to fill a black bin bag, sing during seasons, 2 secs late with dinner, getting up, going for a walk, can become barky - did I mention bossy?  High prey and herding drive bizzare they'll hunt the chickens or round them up depending on the day, can be difficult to train even with treats always one step ahead of you, several have been sent back from trainers - whimps lol

I keep thinking about going into an easier breed but always end up back with my babies they just checky loveable rogues who make great hot water bottles lol.

>> What's in Isbts anyway?
> I'm guessing an Irish Staff?

sorry Sue, I was being facetious! lol  As in, there is no such breed :)

I know, generally another name for a Pitty..

First off only one of these types is illegal. Next just because the KC dont recognise the ISBT doesnt make it any less of a breed. Im sure the ISBT owners on here would agree.
Next I see there is a new group of witches on the board.

>First off only one of these types is illegal.

If you read the official Defra leaflet you'll see it clearly states on Page 5 that Irish Staffordshire Bull Terrier is a name often used to describe Pitbull types, and therefore illegal.

Once again If someone says a red car is blue it doesnt mean its true.

Yes some people call the APBT an ISBT  Some people call jack russels and lurchers mongrels.

I wish I was as high and mighty as the ill informed ladys on here.

> I wish I was as high and mighty as the ill informed ladys on here

Ah.. your wish came true then

maybe im just stupid and ignorant but ive always been told ISBT  were APBT "type" and therefore not allowed in this country.... am i barking up the wrong tree here?

Bullmastiffs......................

Pro's

Adores all within the family.
Despite size sill loves to cuddle on the lap.
Short coat easy to maintain, don't have to bath b4 every show.
Good to train though a little strong headed.
Easy going.

Con's

Wait till you hear one snore

Quite expensive to feed.
Vet bills like the dog will be big.
Its a two man job to get into a bath.
Despite his easy going temp people will judge by the looks.
Can forget how big his feet are when playing with smaller dogs.

Oh and the dribble and knocking your cup over when he puts his head on your knee

English Bull terrier;

Pros...
Loving,
cuddly,
fun loving,
comical,
loyal,
easy to groom,
compact size.
Will not start a fight.
very laid back.. can be lazy.

Con's...
White stubborn hairs impossible to wear black! or vacuum car.
Can be savage if meets a dog who wants a fight.
Needy & demanding for companionship -needs a cuddle everyday.
wrong reputation as a meat head.
stubbornness.
People assuming their like a staffordshire bull terriers- wrong wrong, so different in personality & energy levels they would rather be crash out on the sofa.

Hello Tanya, They are no more banned than a lab x boxer which any over exuberant plod could place as apbt type. If you have the two next to each other they are nothing alike. However there are the bad guys who call anything an APBT for cash and call ISBTs APBTs to try and keep them legal. They are two entirely different dogs. The APBT is a pure bred. The ISBT is a working dog and bred more like lurchers for working ability. Im sure there are baddys who dont do this. The ISBT was bred for badgers in Ireland.

thanks :-) you learn something new everyday!

Bull breeds: love them love them especially the APBT. Don't need to tell you that the negative thing about the latter is the bad press they get... and don't deserve.

Otterhounds: my second but no less strong love, funny creatures who are ever so soft and get on with everything, their only weak point IMHO is their love for everything mucky which sticks to their oily coat like glue ;).

Its good to hear people who are not so negative on these dogs. As for the otter hound. I had never seen one until about a year ago and I asked this guy what this incredibly funny powerful and very friendly dog was and it was an otter hound.
Its a breed I would consider if I couldnt own my chosen breed. a real character.

what is the law regarding APBT in Ireland?

As far as I know, legal in southern ireland (Eire).

The ISBT was bred for badgers in Ireland.

Forgive me if I am wrong, but is badger baiting not illegal in Ireland?

The APBT isnt illegal in ireland although that could change. Yes badger baiting is illegal in ireland but it wasnt a hundred years ago. After badger baiting the dogs were used for fighting. Just because I have these dogs doesnt mean I condone any kind of animals abuse. Its a common misconception that people with these dogs must be like that.
My dogs are as cuddly and loving as anybody elses. I will just add for those that dont know. I am over 50 I first got an APBT in 1985 when nobody had really heard of them.