I was recently approached by one of my pups owners about having his Endorsements lifted as they had been approached to use him at stud. 
Although he hasn't been shown, he is a fabulously looking dog and I can see why they were approached.  I have spoken the owners in depth about what they are embarking on and also encouraged them to have hips/elbow and eyes tested.  They got his results back yesterday, hips total 7 & 0 elbows - so I'm very pleased (and they were back in 12 days!).  His owners are a very sensible family and I am happy to lift restriction, especially as the bitches owners have experience of handling etc.
I was wondering if anyone asked their owners to sign some sort of agreement stipulating that all bitches must have relevant health tests done before matings are permitted etc, and also no 'doodle' crosses etc.  If so, how/what would you put in it etc.  I am trying to create something now but the old grey matter isn't focused tonight!

you could ask but if you trust them and like them why would you want them to do that? im sure if theyve gone and had tests done im sure thay will only use same breed! my thinking on this is !!!! they could of used him to other breed for the mix anyway ,end of the day its a cross or a mut ,and they dont do any health tests to sell them :( ....but i think if thay did use him for that u will never know....and anything signed wouldnt stand up in court i dont think?

I don't know but would of thought that if they have approached you about lifting the endorsements, completed the health tests, guessing eyes still to be done? And they have spoken about the potential bitch and you are happy about this and he is a very good example of the breed then i don't think you'll have any problems.
If they cared about the money more than anything then there wouldn't of been any contact and he'd of been put with any old bitch down the road so to speak.

If you mention that you'd like to be part of any potential further queries on matings and that you'll help them go through whether they are a suitable match i'm sure they will oblige and would be willing for your help. You know your lines very well and they may really want to learn more and improve the lines of the breed in question.

His eyes are also fine - had them done first as its less expensive should they not pass!

I do trust these people 100% - they are a fabulous family and I think they will enjoy the experience especially as the bitch is local to them and they will be able to see puppies etc.  They contacted me as soon as they were approached for my advice and have provided bitches pedigree etc.

I know they're not in it for the money - they seemed shocked when I suggested they should receive a fee - even if only to help re-coup the cost of health testing.

As they do not seem too knowledgeable not even knowing they should receive a a fee :)...
I would just have a chat about the crosses and why they should not be part of it.
They obviously are not in it to make money and have contacted you, if they were to make mixes they would not need the restrictions lifted, only if they thought mixes could be registered(which some people believe)... Some people can be very good talkers so just make sure you get there first to advise them so they are equipped to deal with it if any such situation arises and decline straight away. I have had some "doggy" people at training talking about their doodles in a way if I did not know better they could have tricked me in believing (and this is probably partly because they really do themselves believe what they are saying about being more healthy, allergen free etc!)

> I do trust these people 100%

Then you've answered your own question in my mind!  :-)  :-)

make sure you explain the risks to them as well, not to put them off but to warn them of any eventuality

I've had this problem recently and I replied.....

"Please remember that the owner of a bitch gets to decide who owns her puppies and so has relative control and safeguard that one of her offspring doesn't get into the hands of puppy farmers.

The owner of the stud dog has no such safeguards and I have lost count of famous and reputable Kennel names getting into the pedigrees of BYB and Puppy farmers dogs.
I would be very angry if that happened and for that reason I will not lift endorsements, put in place for that reason.Your dog was sold as a pet, please keep him that way"

Toolz - that is an excellent point.  I have given them lots of advice and I really think they will be sensible over it but will also add this statement.

You've already started down this road but I wouldn't lift endorsements on an unshown dog unless in a numerically small breed I thought that his genes were really necessary for the breed. 
Once we sell a puppy we give over control to the new owner - except the endorcement.  If they are not showing and involved in the breed, I don't see how they would know if an owner has a bitch is suitable for him.  This particular bitch may be suitable and have an owner who is experienced at handling a stud dog and whelping her own bitch.  The fact that the bitch is local makes me uncomfortable.  How often is the most suitable dog for your bitch on your doorstep? :(
And what of the next generation?  And what about the next bitch enquiry?  Will she have a knowledgable owner or just someone wanting to produce a litter of puppies?  And what if being used changes this perfect pet into a pain in the neck chasing bitches in the park?  It doesn't happen in all cases but it does happen.
Sorry but not something I would encourage. :(

Although I said local, bitch is in same county - not hundreds of miles away as some of us travel for a mating.
I am confident that owners will contact me in every case regarding a mating - I doubt that he will have many enquiries as they won't be advertising the fact he's been used at stud.  I have pointed out that they may experience some changes to his character - fortunately his father didn't - and I know he has been well trained, so hopefully it won't be an issue.

Toolz:  in our breed now, many stud dog owners are getting bitch owners to sign contracts stating they will put restrictions on all pups before allowing them to use their boys

sharonM thats a good idea! i will be doing that too ,if my boys tests all come back good but he still got abit longer yet before we use him :)

in our breed now, many stud dog owners are getting bitch owners to sign contracts stating they will put restrictions on all pups before allowing them to use their boys
I wonder how many will conform after signing contracts and how you'd enforce it after the deed is done?  Few would honestly want the hassle. :(  And in the popular breeds there are still enormous numbers being sold without Kennel Club registration.

I agree with Westcoast....it's un-enforceable and for that reason I wont do it.

If you search on this site alone, you will find many cases of owners having endorsments lifted against breeders wishes. In the case of a one off breeder why would they bother?

Surely the contract would be as binding as the breeders contract to new owners stating the restrictions?

I personally agree with it, I also put restrictions on all my pups, which I won't lift, but I do get the owners to take a contract away with them when they first visit, then when they come back ask them to sign saying they understand and agree to the restrictions.  Only ever had one family try and get them lifted without my permission, but they failed as I had done everything correctly and the KC backed me all the way.

In my breed you often see puppies advertised on the internet, not KC but going for pretty much the same price as KC reg puppies, which is very worrying. I always advise people that whilst being KC registered does not guarantee that the breeder is reputable, NOT being KC pretty much guarantees you that the breeder is NOT REPUTABLE .
My point being though, is that these non registered puppies could well have KC reg parents but their pedigrees are endorsed. Endorsements are a good deterrent but do not guarantee your pups will not be bred from at a later date. I guess it all goes back to trust doesn't it - you don't sell a pup to someone you don't trust, just as you would not lift an endorsement for someone you don't trust.
In the case of the OP, the potential stud dog owners do sound very responsible - but have you warned them that being used at stud, even just the once, could actually change his behaviour/personality. He could become a nuisance with scent marking around the home etc.

I am finding this thread very interesting. Having had a litter, all with endorsements go to their new homes last year, I don't think I would allow any of the endorsements to be lifted, unless of course one had done well in the showring etc. I'm sure this dog is a glittering example of his breed, but surely as a breeder, where you sell a litter of puppies with endorsements, there should be an extremely good reason why the endorsement should be lifted, not just because someone down the road fancies using him on their bitch? This to me is not a good enough reason. Sorry.

After all, in most breeds, there are many quality stud dogs producing good quality puppies over the country.

With my previous male dog, I was approached several times and asked if he could be used as a stud. I always refused, although I didn't show him, in fact I didn't really take much notice in his pedigree until recently when I realised how many influential Champions were in it!!! Spending time at dog shows and seeing the pictures I have of him make me realise what a superb dog he was for what is a very numerically stong breed!

He had no endorsements on his pedigree. However, he stayed intact his whole life, and was never used as a stud dog...

And if in the future someone buys a puppy from me and expresses and interest in showing their pup, comes forward later on after doing just that, wants restrictions lifted (obviously after health tests done), I'd be more than happy to do so. If the puppy owner states at the time of purchase they have no interest in breeding/showing they just want a "pet" (lets face it, 99% of puppy buyers say just this), then I'm sorry, endorsements stay put.