Big Hello to everyone

Right here goes I have recently brought over a dog from the czech republic and I am new to the dog show world a complete novice. I have registered him here with the kennel club. Whilst over in the czech republic he won 8 first's at shows. With 2x BOB puppy 1x BIS puppy and BOS puppy. Can I enter him straight away into a champ show ? if so what classes would you suggest? he will be 12 months old tomorrow. Here are his results.

Date                 Show                                     class                      Result                                      Judge
11/04/09           CS SC CZ Mladá Boleslav            baby                     VP. 1, BOB PUPPY                      Anna Jaszkiewicz  Pl
12/04/09           CS KSP CZ Zbraslav u Brna         baby                     VP.1, BOB Puppy, BIS PUPPY        Ing. Jaroslav Simek
02/05/09           CS SCS SK Skalica  SK               baby                     VP 1, Best Baby, BOS Baby,         Hazel Fitzgibbon  UK
24/05/09           IDS Litomerice                          puppy                   VP1,                                        Petra Márová  CZ
07/06/09           NDS Walbrzych  PL                    puppy                   VP 1                                        Katarzyna Fiszdon  PL
28/06/09           IDS Brno                                  puppy                   VP1                                         GE
04/07/09           CAC KSP Msec                          puppy                   VP1, Best Puppy                        Mgr. Boena Ovesná  CZ
19/07/09           NDS Mladá Boleslav                    puppy                   VP1, Best Puppy, BOB Puppy        Viva Maria Solejcki Szpunar  PL
09/10/09           CS SCS Kamenný Mlýn SK           young                    Excellent  ( 18 )                        John Ronald  USA

We attend ring craft and although he does need a little work regarding attention he is comming on great. I would be very very gratefull for any information or tips anyone can provide to enable me to show him to his best potential and have loads of fun too

many many thanks

Tracey

You would enter him in the lowest class he qualifies for which is Junior.  Then depending if the breed is one with large entires at championship shows you could enter him in a second breed class.

If he has not one any award that counts towards the title of champion (adult) then he could go into Post Graduate class next.

If he has won such an award but less than three of these then eh could go in Limit class.

If he has won 3 then eh can only go in the Open class after he leaves age classes.

I personally would also enter a stakes class if there is one such as Junior stakes or Open stakes.

These get you seen by the group level judges who are usually the ones that judge these.

Your too late to enter any championship shows for this year, so I suggest entering some Open shows, and you still have time to enter Manchester Championship (entries close first week of December).  Also I suggest you go to watch your bred at LKA in December the last champ show of the year.

Thank you Barbra for your advice. What paperwork do I need to take to shows? do I just take his kc registration and pedigree? or are there any forms i need to get and take with me

You don't need to take any of your pup's paperwork to shows with you. Just your passes if you've entered a championship show :)

You can download schedules, enter online for champ shows at:

http://www.fossedata.co.uk/  - this one also has some open shows

http://www.highampress.co.uk/

Good luck with your new babe :) xx

The scheduke for Manchester is here:  http://www.highampress.co.uk/download.asp the entries close soon.

Can I ask a silly question.  Did I miss what breed of dog we were talking about?  Would only have a query in the fact that I assume the breed is one that has classes or is on import reg. etc.  Other than that, everyone else's advice stands.

Also Boston is still ok to enter online!

I think its a spitz they are talking about

He's a Samoyed. Born in the czech republic. He's been here a month. I have registered him with the KC . I recieved his registration last week.

thanks Tracey

Ooh he'll be interesting to keep an eye out for then. New blood. Not my breed but keep a keen eye on them as friends have them and i think they are a wonderful breed of dog to own!! Good luck with showing him over here

thanks suejaw your good luck very much appreciated :) and your right they are a wonderful breed ;D

Barbra I have a entry form for bolton open show and under the samoyed listing it says ; CLASS, YEARLING, POST GRADUATE, and OPEN. I know he can go into yearling and post graduate  but what is the CLASS is this for puppies??? forgive me if I sound a bit of a numpty but i'm still trying to figure out all this show stuff

many thanks

Well the first if for under 24 months the others are adult classes, but nothing preventing a youngster being entered. 

At Open level when there are no puppy classes the judge will declare Best puppy from any dogs in the classes, even if they don't win or even are unplaced, basically the highest placed puppy.

I would enter him in the Spyrl and PG class.

Also a Junior stakes or Open stakes if they have one.

WOW your so fast with your response thanks for answering my question so prompt.

> I would enter him in the Spyrl and PG class.
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what is spyrl

I just couldn't be bothered to write out Special Yearling.

> what is spyrl

oh I see lol  :D so whats the difference between special yearling and yearling or are they the same ?

Yearling is for dogs between 12 - 24 months, but special yearling is for dogs up to 24 months, which means puppies can enter it too.

Thank You Barbra you have been a huge help. Its great to be able to get advice from someone who knows what they are talking about. I love this site its great :-)

Barbra can I pick your brains again? just about to fill in the entry form for the manchester champ show. What would be the best classes to enter him? am I right in thinking I should enter him in JD and PGD and then the Bannerdown Special beginners stakes. Need to get my head round the rules. If he enters the JD and gets a first place but is beaten in the PGD does he still stand a chance of going through to the BOB ? also If he gets a first place in these classes do I pull him from the stakes class?

Many thanks

Only unbeaten dogs can challenge for Best dog, so you need to win both. 

Of course if the dog that beats you into second in PG wins the CC you can challenge for the RCC, with the winners of the other classes.

You only need to pull him from the stakes class if he goes Best of Breed.

Thanks once again for a prompt reply. You are very helpfull and it is much appreciated. Do you think I should stick with the JD and PG then?

I personally love the stakes classes, and enter them whenever I can.

In my breed we don't have large classes so often your in and out of the ring to quickly for the dog to get worthwhile experience.

I also love chatting to the other exhibitors and learning something of their breeds, compare handling styles between breeds, and all in all in the 'apples against oranges' classes I (and therefore the dog) are more relaxed.

Well I have put him into JD and beginner stakes. I think that will be enough for him. I am going to the LKA next week to watch enquire and meet new sammy owners :-D

Good Luck, I have just entered Manchester £75, ouch!

Hi Barbra Went to manchester champ show. I must say there was not many samoyeds there at all. I was quite miffed :-(. There was only 2 spectators and 1 of them was me I couldnt believe my eyes. Cant wait till january for his first show yehaaaaaa

> Hi Barbra Went to manchester champ show.

I think you mean you went to Boston so called championship show?

This is really an Open show that has been granted the status of mini champ show, nothing like a real general or Group championship show, it only has CC's for a small number of breeds.

> Boston so called championship show?

A CC won there is of equal value to one won at Crufts ;)

I think you mean you went to Boston so called championship show?

Not unless it was 11 months ago -Boston isn't until January. It was the Open show that was in December, since it became a champ.show it has been in January. I received my passes for it today as it happens. :)

Yes but it is only a champ show for very few breeds.

Wonder what show it was then.

> I think you mean you went to Boston so called championship show?

The OP said she was "going to LKA next week to watch enquire and meet new sammy owners :-D"

Mind you with the weird geography that applies to dog showing - she could have been anywhere.  With a few notable exceptions, no show is ever quite where one would expect!  :)

Quite possibly LKA as there were no CC's on offer and i went searching for people i know in the breed and there were very few people about or dogs entered and none of my friends..

I also thought that the Boston show was in Jan?

Your probably all right, I am already in January with Manchester entered and Crufts needing doing soon!

There were 22 Samoyeds in the classes at LKA, so the mystery deepens, LOL ;)

Sorry didnt notice I'd put manchester lol.......... had so many things on my mind the past couple of weeks. You were right i ment to say LKA at birmingham. So barbra is that the normal number of entries for the samoyed breed ? I thought there would have been more than that

Maddie there are normally quite a high entry for Sam's at Ch shows where CC's are on offer, the number is slightly dropping as are most breeds this year.

Have you been on the following websites, you can see your breed, and how many were entered and results.. You prob know them but here they are anyway.
http://www.highampress.co.uk/

http://www.fossedata.co.uk/

They are the 2 main ones for Ch shows..

I'd say 22 without CC's would be average, as that is about what we get (though Sams are a stronger breed numerically).

Just looked at the entry for Birmingham National (has CC's for all breeds) this year, and there were 76 entries (some dogs may have been in more than one class though, and some absent).

Good luck Tracey, I am also a brand new beginner who has opted to go to Manchester with a new puppy for a mutual baptism of fire...still wondering if I have gone completely mad.

Good luck to you too JAY15. Its nerve racking isnt it and were not there yet lol.