I've just been looking at potential classes at forthcoming champ shows for our puppy.  I am considering entering him in the Puppy and the junior, with the Minor puppy class starting at 9am.  At the same show, I want to enter the YKC Stakes, starting 8.30am and possibly the Junior handling which is held after the Stakes with a class for younger handlers before they would be in the ring. 

I have two questions......
1. it is a requirement for the dog to be entered in the breed class at the show to enter the stakes and handling BUT what happens if they do not actually get to take part in the breed class as it's on at the same time?

2. What happens if they do the stakes and get back to breed class to find they've missed the puppy but are in time for the junior - will they be frowned on for missing the first class and will they still be able to go into junior, or maybe take part in the puppy but miss the junior to get back to the handling ring?

I suspect we'll have to choose where our priority will lie as we ran around LKA like demented fleas with her showing her puppy in the handling in hall 3 and due to the size of the class, the steward let her out of that ring to take part in the breed class in hall 2, before racing back before the final line up in handling again.... They were unplaced in both but were flustered and shattered by 10am!!!

  I'm only considering entering more classes in the breed as I've kicked myself a couple of times for missing a possible qualification by only going for Minor puppy and not puppy as well, any thoughts?

1. You will be disqualified from any wins or placings in the stakes classes if your dog does not compete in the breed classes. So if there is a clash you need to give the breed classes priority.

2. If you miss Puppy you cannot compete in Junior or any further breed classes. You may withdraw from Junior to get to the stakes ring, but if you win Puppy you won't want to do that, as you can't withdraw to remain unbeaten and then expect to go in the challenge for the CC or best of sex. If you don't win Puppy, then yes you can withdraw from Junior and dash off to the Stakes ring.

Dawn R.

If you withdraw from further breed classes then your wins won't coutn at all, so you must compete in all breed classes unless yoru dog has to withdraw due to ill health.

Thank you for your replies - all so complicated!  looks like we'll go for the stakes and the puppy and hope the rings aren't too far apart and there should be time to get from one to the other.  I guess if we enter the handling and she can't get back for it, it won't really matter too much but we can let the steward know what we are doing.  If LKA anything to go by, I've never heard so many versions of "final call" for the handling, think there was "final" through the "very definately final" 10 to 15 minutes later!

Will be finished by 11ish and probably on the way home unless a miracle happens and he wins his class.

Wow I never knew that.

So even if you are unplaced in the first of your two breed classes, you still have go into the other class to be elligible for the stakes?

For the most part, I'm one of those also rans that is unplaced in everything, so I've never had to worry about being disqualified from any wins, I should be so lucky.

Dawn R.

> so you must compete in all breed classes unless yoru dog has to withdraw due to ill health.

Just wondering about a show we entered a few months ago....

There were no breed classes for my dog so I thought I'd entered the Any gundog NSC class.  However, when we got to the show, I realised I entered the wrong class number in the entry form and we were in the AV Gundog.  We were also in the Junior handling.  As it happened on this day my daughter handled someone elses dog (corectly entered) in the JHA class but presumably she could of been disqualified from the handling if she'd taken her own dog in.  Someone said the secretary should of picked it up when the entry arrived but I'm not sure how much potential issue there is in this case

The poor puppy, it will be shattered with all them classes, not to mention you with all that running around.

It would be best to stick to one class if you want to enter the stakes, the dog will be exhausted and the more classes you enter the less chance you have being in the final line up if your lucky enought o get a first.

> The poor puppy, it will be shattered with all them classes, not to mention you with all that running around.
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Perhaps I should add we usually have 2 dogs with us, and LKA had only entered 2 classes with the one puppy, they just happened to coincide but at least he wasn't there all day.  The max classes I've entered at one show is 3!

I regularly enter up to 3 classes with my pups, but I am in a numerically small breed and the puppy classes rarely have more than 3 to 6 exhibits, so the pup barely gets the idea before it is all over, so I prefer to enter two bred classes. 

In the second all you will be doing is standing waiting for the class to finish and then setting your dog back into a stand with the others, and perhaps be asked to move once more.

Now the stakes class for me is the one that teaches the dog about being in the ring.  Both you and the dog can learn to relax before and after being seen individually, then get into position when the judge is doing the first/final look see etc.

The stakes is a great for getting the dog used to a Group situation, should you be lucky enough to win through, as so often dogs don't compete in the ring with anything but their own breed.

Beng at the show is what is tiring, not a bit of standign aroudn and a couple of laps aroudn a ring, not likely to be more than 6 circuits with three classes.