> We all have vices

Obviously not all :( Oh to be perfect ;)

Daisy

> Oh for gods sake....if you use Anorexia as an example that only confirms what I have said... eating less calories and you will become thin! 

You miss the point I was trying to make entirely, Anorexia was not an example of being overweight, it was an example where poeple use food (in the case of Anorexia, the control of food)as a coping mechanism  and they do so to a poin tthat is damaging to thier health and even to the point of being fatal.
Over-eating is the other end of the scale, it's just that you really have to put on much more weight to make a drastic difference to your health, than you do to loose it to damage your health (ie. somebody 4 stone underweight may need hospilistaion, but somebody 4 stone overweight can carry on thier daily work.), which is why, IMO, you are struggling to comprehend that over-eating is much harder to solve than telling somebody to 'cut back' thier food.

> I can understan Anorexia being an illness as people want to be thin.

I think that is a very over-simplification if ever I heard one. I do not belivee that anorexia is about looking thin atall. As food is so important to us, even those peopel that have no issues with it rely on it to live, it is a common focus for people that are struggling with other aspects of thier life.

Some peopel use food to comfort them when they are low, some people have such a strong compulsion to eat they can't stop thierselfs, some people are so upset by something in thier life they try to control it by controlling thier food intake untill they are starving thierselfs, some people hurt thiersefls (self harm) ,some people get addicted to excercise, the list goes on. ALL of these people are doing something to thier bodies that is not good for them, do you really think they would be doing that if they had another way of coping?

It's ironinc how the most advanced species on the planet can be so silly as to harm them selfs by bad habits, but it's BECAUSE we ar so advance, our emotianl state is very complex. I'm sure most of the worlds populations would love it if vices, phobias and problems could be cured with the snap of the fingers but it doesn't work like that atall.

I will not waste either of our time FooFoo trying to explain this anymore, it's appears you have no interest in trying to understand, I do not see why you feel the need to keep having a go at everybody.

just tagging on to last post ....

Unless im constantly strict on what I eat I put on weight very easily - even going over by a couple of glasses of wine I manage to put on 2lb !!!.  I walk the dogs for 2 hours per day but because im quite fit walking does nothing to assist my weightloss, I have to run daily if I want to boost any weight loss otherwise it stays stagnant.  I had a baby 6 months ago so am still trying to lose the extra weight ive put on, ive lost nearly 2 stone so far then have another stone and a half before I will be happy with myself, but im a stone off the top end of my BMI.

Thin people arent always healthy, I know of thin people who eat loads of rubbish and manage to stay thin, but give them a few years and they will end up having heart attacks, high blood pressure and high cholesterol.

FooFoo people don't want to be fat that is just a silly answer. People know what is making them fat, they enjoy what they are eating & drinking & don't want to give it up that's the trouble.  I suppose if we were all perfect we would all be our perfect weight & be perfectly healthy but there is no such thing as a perfect person.

Food for some people is like alcohol & tobacco for others, people enjoy them & don't want to give them up.

Loosing weight is not as easy as it sounds.

Heres a new diet that I say today the up day down day diet!!! What ever will they think of next!!
http://www.johnsonupdaydowndaydiet.com/html/diet-landing.html

> just eat salad and veg and you wont get fat!

.........but you won't be very healthy either, this isn't a 'Balanced' diet! :)

I tried just eating salad and veg when I gave up smoking many years ago. 

I knew I was going to have problems with my weight so I decided to stick very carefully to 1200 cals a day, just fruit, vege, salad and a bit of brown rice (yuk). I was working for a dog groomer so spent all my day on my feet, brushing dogs for hours. I also walked to work, a good 40 mins each way with a killer hill at the end.

At the end of the first week I had gained half a stone so I panicked and reduced my intake to 1000 cals and at the end of week 2 I had gained another half stone.  I kept reducing my cals until I stopped gaining and for me that meant I was eating one small green salad, half a tin of tuna and a boiled egg a day.  I didn't lose weight on this but I did stop gaining.

My husband at the time was always underweight, he gave up smoking with me and didn't gain a pound.  In fact at 5'' 8 and 8 stone he needed to put on weight so whilst I was starving myself, I would stuff him full of sausage rolls, pie, chips, pizza etc. plus he would have a good 6 cans of beer a night.  He had a desk job, caught the bus and did no exercise. He refused to gain weight.

It's true that calories in and calories out equals the weight you are but for different people the calorie amounts might be different.

Some bodies are more efficiant than others and some peoples bodies tell them they are hungry all the time when other peoples bodies don't give out hunger signals when they should.  Thats why 1 slim person might be slim because they are constantly tortured by hunger and another might be slim because they just don't feel hunger in the same way.

What I am trying to explain (probably not very well) is that for the people who are not constantly feeling hungry it must be a lot easier to maintain weight than for people who always feel hungry.  And let's face it, if it really was that easy we would all be slim.

>> Some bodies are more efficiant than others and some peoples bodies tell them they are hungry all the time when other peoples bodies don't give out hunger signals when they should. 

There was an interesting Horizon programme a while back which looked into this kind of thing, there were people who could eat loads and hardly gain any weight and their bodies seemed to be more efficient at burning off excess calories, it is not as simple as it first seems. Also they explained how the physiology changes when people diet and the battle to lose weight becomes much harder.
I have the opposite problem as I have very little appetite and tend to have to make myself eat, I can't imagine how hard it must be to feel hungry most of the time. There does seem to be a lot of pressure to be slim and it is quite possible to be bigger and healthy, I know bigger girls who are fit and gorgeous!  

> And let's face it, if it really was that easy we would all be slim.

  Well said Lunamoona!  :)

> were people who could eat loads and hardly gain any weight and their bodies seemed to be more efficient at burning off excess calories, it is not as simple as it first seems.

My dad has undegone many operations due to being injured in a car accident when younger, in one of the stays where he was having skin grafts, the nurses tried to feed him up beacuse he was so thin. However, they gave up as he wouldn't put on weight and told him he was just 'one of natures lean kind'. Once he reached his 60's he started to fill out a little around the middle but up untill then, despite having a HUGE appetite he has always been extremely thin (bless, him, my dad is such a pig, LOL).

I always wonder what naturally thin people have to worry about!!  :)  :)

Well my nice friend who is a Baker brought me two Danish Pastries and 3 Mince Pies.

Looked up the points values and they a re each around the 6 points mark, a third of my daily allowance on weight watchers.

So 3 mince pies and nothing else and I would be unable to have any more to eat.

4 mince pies and I would have eaten a maintenance level of food. 

Not a lot really is it.

So I have cut the Pastries in half and will have half each day, and the Mince Pies are going to my daughter.

> So I have cut the Pastries in half and will have half each day,

It makes no difference whether you eat them all at once or ration them to one a day!!  :)

Well it is better to split them up and eat something more balanced/healthy too ;)

:)  :)  Is that why you always see someone eating a doughnut with a diet coke?  :)

What I found helped was I didnt go to the supermarket.  I decided that I would enpty the freezer, and clear out the cupboards.  after I had done that it also saved me money.  what I did do was stopped eating bread and tatties, and of course the chocolate.  although I did have the odd 'sin'!

Well sadly the two Danish have been eaten!

So that is me on Fruit and veg tommorrow, yeah right.

I always wonder what naturally thin people have to worry about!!

its not always as good as it seems. i have my big son who has now lost 6 stone and also 2 thin ones. one is so skinny he worries about it and takes supplements he buys on the net to try to gain weight! he would also like buttock implants! so i see it from both sides and both sides are hard

Ooooh I didn't know you got a free house for being fat?! I'll have to look into that.........

Thank you suejaw :-)

I joined Weight Watchers again last night - at fifteen weeks away it is obvious I am not going to get down to a size 8 on time for the wedding, but I hope that I can loose enough to feel beautiful on my Wedding Day :-)

Nicki xx

Very well said mastifflover! :-)

Nicki xx

If people want to over eat that is fine.... just eat salad and veg and you wont get fat!

Foofoo, I think your view on this subject is very immature to be honest.

Well done you!!!

In fifteen weeks, you could lose around 2 stone, and be 2 - 3 dress sizes smaller!

Are you going to meetings or have you signed up online?

Thank you Jolene :-)

I am going to the classes, I have been a member many times before, but I am hoping that this time will be different. I did loose over two stone on weight watchers about 9 years ago, kept it off for about 5 years and then it gradually crept back on......plus another 2 stone! :-(

I keep saying to myself that if getting married isn't a big enough incentive to loose weight I am destined to be fat for ever!

Nicki xx

Absolutely, but you still have to have the right mind set.
Like above I have private medical insurance so im not a burden on nhs. BUT, I was getting problems with my knees ect so now Im on a diet and Im sticking to it. But I neede to 1) get sick of myself and 2) have a goal - new wardrobe Im 55.

Like above also Im walking the dogs more and more, and I feel in myself a lot more active.

Like smoking and drinking eating can be addictive, how many of us remember eat all your dinner rememeber the starving children in Biafra? or if you do not clear your plate you will have it for breakfast?

We were encoraged top eat.. now we have to retune the mind, but it isnt easy, it is however do able.

From a health point of view I am fine until I go over 14 stone (size 16) as that is when I start to find my feet hurt after a good route march with the dogs road-walking.  the walks start to become a chore and I notice aches and pains.

I am one of the lucky ones whose blood pressure is always low, so that has never been the issue.

The rest is down to vanity, and I am not particularly fussed, except if there is a special occasion to dress up for.

So it is hard to stay motivated to lose weight.

Just checked and I am about half a stone heavier than this time last year (and when I got married), but my best weight last year was 11, 5.

Now 12, 12.

So maybe start letting you all know my weight each week may help.

I agree I stared dieting on holiday - at my heaviest I was 18 stone 8lb huge now Im a size 18 at 16stone 3lbs.

My aim is just under 12 stone maybe under 11 stone. At 15 I weighed 9st 12lbs Im tall over 5' 9" so I wore a size 20/22 at my heaviest and Im not going there again. I want to be a size 14 again I was after Ben was born.

I think a weight check in may help us keep focused.

Okay..............sounds a bit confessional here.
I have managed to avoid going on the scales for over a year!
Even when admitted to hospital and was weighed by nursing staff I looked the other way and asked them  not to tell me.
NOw I am starting to burst out of the 16s and have no option but to go with an 18....so I am building up to facing the scales and going for it again.
Ideally a 14 is best for me at 5'7". I suppose that means around 11 stones.

Karen :(

> Ideally a 14 is best for me at 5'7". I suppose that means around 11 stones.
>
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I'm only 5' 4" and at 11 stone I am an off the peg 12 so I think at that weight you'll be less than a 14.

So off we go, again!!

Doesn't always work like that Barbara...........I'm 5' 4" like you, and at 11 stone, not only is my BMI classed as overweight, I'd not be a size 12!

I am currently 8 stone 11 ish! and size 10 on the bottom, size 12 up top!

At 5' 7" a healthy BMI range is 9.2 - 11.6 stone :-)

This is where I fall out with WW and the BMI.

I have got down to my maximum BMI weight of 10' 4", but found it impossible to maintain, was not Happy about how much weight I had lost on the upper body and face (not good at over 40).

I would be much happier at 11 - 11 1/2 Stone which I might realistically be able to maintain and be a size 12.

> I am building up to facing the scales and going for it again.

My bathroom scales broke last year (kids got them wet) and I decided not to replace them as I would stress over my weight. During the summer I bought a new set (cheap, mechanical ones that the kids can't ruin!) and am back to daily weighing, this has really got me back on track and since getting them I have lost approx half a stone.

Don't be afraid of the scales, sometimes the truth is all we need to keep motivated :)

> Don't be afraid of the scales, sometimes the truth is all we need to keep motivated :-)

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Thats the bit I am afraid of......the truth!

Karen ;)

If you dont need to loose weight and you find my comments harsh reading then there is a chance you do need to loose weight!  We all have vices because they are put ther for us to use. we dont have to use them.  Oh for god sake.... some people will never be thin!!!  What a load of shit! SHow me the fat people in history!  You cannot because the didnt have the food!  WHy do you all make excuses for being overweight?  It is NOT OK!  Is is damaging to the NHS and to your kids!  OK if you want to kill yourselves and your families by eating crap.... go ahead.... just dont pick on me for speaking the truth!  I do not want to pay for fat lazy people to get surgery when they could have done it themselves!

Thyroid excuse AGAIN!  I have underactive thyroid!  Guess what... when you take your meds and your thyroid is normal..... no excuse.... people have had thyroid for years... stop making excuses!

> If you dont need to loose weight and you find my comments harsh reading then there is a chance you do need to loose weight!&nbsp;

I find your comments very harsh,rude, insulting and very unfair.. and NO... I dont need to lose weight..

There's no need for bad language, Foofoo.

> If you dont need to loose weight and you find my comments harsh reading then there is a chance you do need to loose weight!&nbsp;

Umm no i don't need to loose weight. For anyone that knows me on here will agree with me on that. I'm a size 6-8 currently.

> some people will never be thin!!!

No they won't as some people have a larger bone structure and therefore will never look very thin.

You can be of a larger build and be healthy just as you can be of a smaller build and be unhealthy.

I have a friend who is large, she does a lot of exercise, eats healthily and doesn't overdo the portion size. She has taken her mothers genes in the bone size so will never ever be 'catwalk model' thin.

Blimy I hope Im not paying for yopur thyroid!! or anything else on my NHS bill.

I think over eating like smoking is an addiction, I thionk people with mental health issues, fat issues, diabetiies ect ect all need a hand.

Im not sat here saying "dont spend my NHS money on smoking problems ect" FOO FOO get out more and lighten up, yep Im fat but Im also earning and paying my own bills so I really dont need you money or advice.

Oh I weighed in at 16 st 1 lb so its 2 stone 7 lbs so far and at my cost. Good luck to you all and if people like FooFoo have issues with fat people go write on another topic!!!!!

Good grief Kay no you dont you'd disappear if you did

plenty of fat people in history....
Henry V111
Daniel Lambert 1700's (and he wasnt a rich man)
and there are so many more...so check your facts before sprouting off your anti fat rubbish....
i am big and i dont care!!!! it keeps me warm...saving on fuel and heating and helping keep global warming at bay!!!
so yes i am usefull and being big does have benefits!!!

> 7 lbs so far

Well doeh, each pound is won painfully.

> I think over eating like smoking is an addiction,

The thing is that with most addictions the answer is to cut them out totally and then keep away from them, and those who have smoked or are still smoking but wish they were not will know.

Unfortunately you cannot avoid food, so you cannot cut out your addiction, ever.

Foo foo I would be interested in whether you are a healthy weight. 

Have you always maintained a steady weight? 

There are such lucky people, I have them in my own family. 

My size 8 baby sister eats and drinks what she likes (loves rich foods, drinks sociallly and eats an average amount of rubbish) and is almost painfully thin (in my view any woman under a size 12, unless very small framed is too thin).

Do you drink or smoke?

You seem extremely passionate in your anti fat feeling, I am just wondering why?

I know a lady like you, and it turns out she was once twice the size she is now, and admits part of it is that in a way she is jealous that she hasn't the freedom to eat as she used to.

Ive lost a stone in a Month & One week. Just 4 1/2 to go till Crufts....But would be happy wityh 2 1/2

Why did you message that rudeness to me?

I would rather be 5x the weight I am than to half as offensive as you are managing to be.

Foo foo I dont care for your attitude.

Karen :(

FooFoo

> SHow me the fat people in history!

Not a fan of Ruben's art then or perhaps simply unaware of it?

Please don't decry those who have weight issues, particularly in such offensive terms.  There are many and varied medical reasons for over and under weight, some physical and others psychological and that's without genetics coming into it.

FTR I have extremes of both builds within my recent family tree and how much or what type of food eaten seems to have had little impact on the outcome of many of my relatives.  My mother's side of the family all had problems with being over weight - during war rations too LOL.

As it happens I took on more of my dad's genes and I was a naturally skinny toddler, plump at around 8-10, exceptionally lean but not skinny until around late 30's and now would like to lose around a stone.  To do that all I have to do is give up sweet stuff for a couple of months, certainly in the quantities which I enjoy at any rate, whereas for my sister to lose a stone she'd need to drink water only for a month because her skeletal structure is slightly larger than mine - but she'd look downright scrawny then.

People come on here for advice, to share opinions, bounce ideas around etc - not to be ridiculed or insulted.  Please keep that in mind.

For all you ladies looking for support for whatever reason in the look good / feel good debate, you have it here in spades with very few exceptions - don't rise to it ;)
Teri

Very nicely put Teri, your eloquence speaks volumes about you. :)
Karen

Good luck with your weigh-in tomorrow night Nicki.............I'm off to a WW meeting too (will have been to 4 by the end of the week :-O )

Yes Whistler you may be paying for my thyroid meds...  thank you - so am I!.  I am also paying for obese people to have surgery, smokers to stop smoking, alcoholics to stop drinking... guess what Thyroid wasnt my choice... sadly food, cigs and booze are a choice and I begrudge paying for other people mess! 

No wonder the country is in such a mess with your attitudes.... reward people who bugger up.... im coming back as an Obese single mother with kids by 5 different fathers who smokes and drinks oh and I may as weel take drugs as it is a bonus... WIN situation it seems.

inthemistuk - get real with your excuses for beinf fat before you accuse me of being anti fat!

I am anti unhealthy and do not like the way the UK is going with people waddling down the high street munching chocolate without a care in the world.  It si disgusting!  The NHS will pick up after these people in the future.  You are big as you say but you obvioualy do care by replying to me.  If you are that bitter do something about it.

What benefits does being big have on society exactly?