The word chav is apparently derived from a Romany word meaning...... child!

Anyway - pj's are for slobbing about the house in. Or for wearing when you know you have to leap out of bed to let the puppy out in th emiddle of the night..

They are not for shopping in.... though I have been known to go to my friends house wearing mine - she lives next door but one though and I scuttle really quickly lest anyone sees me!

Fantastic my Mum always told me if you promise a smack or a treat always deliver!! Worked well by the sound of it.

> Thats why I have a cuddly OH, he stays all cuddled up in the quilt I lay on top of the bed, then freeze and cuddle up to OH then out again but he is a permenat Hot water bottle!!
>

But in my case it's the OH who gets too hot most of the time.  Poor thing has an electrical issue with his heart that makes it race and so get very hot.

Out of interest I am 45 and wondering when I am likely to get to that hot flushes stage.  Unfortunately I can't ask my Mum, and my step Mum has had a hysterectomy, and no other close female blood relations

> Out of interest I am 45 and wondering when I am likely to get to that hot flushes stage. 

I'm 54 and still not really at that stage :)

As for the PJs issue - I don't mind what people do in their own home. Personally I'm always up, showered and dressed fairly early - never go downstairs in my nightwear unless to make an early morning cup of tea :) As for going out in PJs - if that's what people want to wear, at least they are not showing too much (hopefully - could be baby doll pyjamas !). My gripe would be if they were actually spending all day/night in the same clothes - whatever they were :( :(

Daisy

>> Poor thing has an electrical issue with his heart that makes it race and so get very hot.

Ooh that's interesting, my OH calls me his storage heater, within a couple of minutes getting into bed I'm toasting at regulo 9! My resting pulse rate is 92, whereas most "normal" people are in the 60-70 range. We had a stress consultant in at work many years ago, and on taking my pulse asked if I'd been drinking ....... it was 9.30am. She worried me so much that I even went to the GP for a check up, and whilst I am on the upper end on the scale, she didn't seem to think there were any underlying issues.

> The word chav is apparently derived from a Romany word meaning...... child!

Thank you for writing the above....thats exactly what it means around my way :)

Im 54 so you have a way to go yet, some do about 48/50 others at over 60, look on the bright side the gas bill for heating has gone down!

"People wearing PJ's outside ????.......The're called chav's !!  "

"The word chav is apparently derived from a Romany word meaning...... child!"

"Thank you for writing the above....thats exactly what it means around my way "

Strange,
So what you were trying to say was that people who wear PJ's outside are actually children ?!!.

No I think its the current use of "chav" that is being inferred

> The word chav is apparently derived from a Romany word meaning...... child!

The above is just one of a number of explanations, one other has already been mentioned.  Another quite plausible one is that the av stands for average and was coined by girls at Cheltenham Ladies College to describe undesirable local boys as 'Cheltenham Average'.  Any town beginning Ch has made similar claims (eg Chatham).

It's another example of our developing language (see the teen speak site here)

What really matters is how the speaker intends it; and how the listener receives it.  It's generally perceived as derogatory...

Out of interest I am 45 and wondering when I am likely to get to that hot flushes stage

I started the "hot flush" stage at age 48 and am now well past my sell by date ! You have all the joys of night sweats and sudden red faces to go Barbara...or maybe not at all if you are lucky. Maybe you will never know the joys of sitting on the kitchen step in very little clothing at 3am in the morning. Just make sure your PJ's are respectable in case the worst happens...shame to frighten the neigbours now!!! ;) ;) ;) .
Aileen

> Maybe you will never know the joys of sitting on the kitchen step in very little clothing at 3am in the morning. Just make sure your PJ's are respectable in case the worst happens...shame to frighten the neigbours now!!! ;) ;) ;) .
> Aileen

Love it :D

I read somewhere that one in three women experience little in the way of menopause symptoms, one third experience moderate symptoms and one third severe symptoms. We just hope that we are in the first third :) :)

Daisy

> I do have to confess to taking my son to school once with him wearing his pyjama trousers and slippers with the rest of his school uniform.

This did make me smile. Its the sort of thing my mum would have done, she was also a fan of carrying out whatever she threatened :-)

I frequently go out in pyjama bottoms and slippers :-)  With a hoodie on the top it isnt that far off from wearing joggers so i dont see the harm in it.

I have seen this new "trend" a few times in supermarkets where I am. I am always amazed.

Can't say I have seen it in Bristol.

I think its a young persons thing, they seem to have so much confidence. On the day of my daughters prom she put curlers in her hair and just carried on as normal. She went into town, to the supermarket and to the doctors. I had to smile I would never had dared do such a thing.

I did hear someone on the radio say a student had gone into their shop for milk in a pair of boxers with a duvet wrapped around him :-0   

I remember Paul O Grady saying on his show once that walking around with curlers in is a very northern thing. I cant say i've seen it down here (Devon) but you frequently see celebritys in magazines (Coleen Rooney springs to mind) walking around with them in.

I agree it is a confidence thing. It doesnt hurt anyone so whats the harm? Although walking to a shop wrapped in a duvet may be one step too far :-)

I don't think the walking around in PJs hurts anyone, but I do worry about the message it may send out to the wrong sort of people.  Maybe we are all getting a bit paedophile obsessed, but nightwear is often a lot more flimsy than daywear, I was very concerned to see the family in nightwear in the corner shop, with the little girl in her nighty and slippers.  The older girl's PJs were heavier brushed cotton type, and as substantial as outerwear, and the Mum had a towelling robe over hers, but the little one was wearing hardly anything at all, it made me worried and uncomfortable for her. 

> all getting a bit paedophile obsessed

i think we are and it is so sad. Innoncence is being taken away purely by the fear that something could happen

LOL I often dropped kids off at school  with out having showered and not dressed, ie in trackies and a tshirt, but never actually in my PJs!
I often would go for a run with the dogs sd well... my son used to say he had a morning Mummy and an afternoon Mummy..

CHAV i think is one of those like YUPPIE .. conjuring up a type..
I think Chav is also a Khurdish word meaning a street urchin.. My employee used to use it all the time when talking in a derogitory way about a child any how..

chav /tæv/ noun (BrE, slang) a young person, often without a high level of education, who follows a particular fashion: There are always loads of chavs hanging round the shopping centre.  Chavs usually wear designer labels, and if they're girls, very short skirts and stilettos.  Chavs still see branded baseball caps as a status symbol and wear them at every opportunity.
adj. [only before noun]: The bus was full of chav kids.  chav girls with their big gold jewellery

In Britain there are many words to describe people from this social group, and they are often limited to a particular town or region. Other words with a similar meaning to chav are townie, scally, ned and charver. The word chav has become common in southern England, and is generally thought to come from Chatham girls (Chatham is a town in Kent.) Some people think, however, that the word comes originally from the Romany word chavo (boy), which is also the origin of the Spanish word chaval

(no mention of council houses here!!!!)

I have seen the PJ's in certain areas of Merseyside ..also the ENORMOUS curler wearers whilst shopping in Tesco ...LOL if only they could see themselves I am sure they would not do it .

but once they are out of sight they are  out of mind!

R~

hi ..i live in Dublin .you see it a lot here ,mums at school gates in pj's what ever next ?

I have a 17 year old that is hopefully to go to Cambridge that wears her jimjams out sometimes and I go out with my 6 year old when she is wearing her jimjams and wellies if we do an early morning walk and don't feel at all embarassed. I don't wear jimjams but if I go out with the dogs in the morning I shove on shorts or trackies and don't put knickers on Does that make me a 'Chav' or does it make me a person that is relaxed :-) I wear suits and full make up every day for wor so know to dress in the 'right' situation :-D

> but if I go out with the dogs in the morning I shove on shorts or trackies and don't put knickers on <IMG alt="eek" src="/images/eek.gif"/>

ya tramp ;)

> I shove on shorts or trackies and don't put knickers on<

At least that way, you can't lose 'em in Tescos (or was it Sainsburys ???? :d :d

> I wear suits and full make up every day for wor so know to dress in the 'right' situation<

Or does that make you an "undercover Chav??? :d :d

:-P

:D :D

>>also the ENORMOUS curler wearers whilst shopping in Tesco

I've not seen an enormous curler wearer, but did have to go up and tell a lady in her 60's that she had left a single curler in the top of her hair. OH thought it was hilarious and didn't want me to tell her, but I felt I had to (after debating with myself whether she'd left it in intentionally to keep her fringe out of her eyes). She was ever so grateful, and couldn't believe she'd missed one.

Have also seen women wearing p.j 's out and about - always tucked into boots (sometimes Ugg boots sometimes not). My elder daughters would also say this was "chavvy" . Personally, I think it is supposed to be a new trend but I can't see it catching on!

My son came home from college today highly amused by a sign that was in the window of a shop near to College -

"http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e115/luvhandles33/pjs.jpg"

They must have issue's with PJ clad people!!  :-D

> I have seen the PJ's in certain areas of Merseyside

Scousers have always been trend setters !! Coleen Rooney is often papped in her rollers .

> and don't put knickers on

What d'you stick your Tenna Ladys to????

*Legs it!*
    :-D

Attached to my chasity belt ;-) :-D

I haven't read any of the replies yet,as only have a minute.

But I am guilty of leaving the house in my Pj's and dressing gown.I only do it in the late evening after i have already changed,when i have run out of ciggies and milk and need to do a dash to the service station.Truthfully,i couldn't be bothered getting re-dressed and to be honest i really don't care what other people think. Yes it is a bit embarrassing if the shop suddenly fills up while I'm standing there,but i get over it ;)

I would never do this in the middle of the day though.

Had a bit of an insight into the Curler/PJ wearing thing whilst in my sisters Beauty Salon yesterday (waiting for niece, not getting treatment :) ).  Apparently the curler thing is very prevalent in the Cheshire area, and has then spread into liverpool - it is pretty much a wannabe WAG thing - if you are seen out in full make-up and VERY BIG velcro rollers, preferably wearing a Juicy Couture leisure suit or similar, you are assumed to be on way to get ready for a glitzy event, or a model on way to photo shoot.  (At least, that is what the curler wearers want you to think!)  At least half the cusomers in Cricket boutique (very big with WAGs and in the gossip mags) were wearing curlers when the girl I spoke to visited it a couple of weeks ago.  Apparently as it filtered down to Liverpool the Juicy Couture is often translated into PJs!   Driving through Newcastle at about 4pm yesterday I saw large groups of girls (probably about 5 or 6 groups each with anything from 5 to 10 girls)  all heading away from the Central Station, at least half of them with rollers in, several wearing PJs (but a lot in Leisure suit type things or shorts)  all carrying large shocking pink bags or pulling wheeley cases, also in bright pink, definetly a bit of a flamingo moment for Newcastle -  seemed to be some sort of young female migration - perhaps a hen party or something, but why on earth not get ready before leaving home?

>but why on earth not get ready before leaving home?

Bizarre! It's as slapper-y as going out in your bra and knickers!

> Bizarre! It's as slapper-y as going out in your bra and knickers

LOL - haven't heard the word 'slapper' for a while - but how true :) :)

Rollers are just so Ena Sharples rather than WAGS :) :) :) But the word slapper and WAG go well together :) :)

Daisy

Jordan aka Katie Price is often photographed in full make up and massive rollers.I wonder if she started this trend.
What a charming role model,Not!

When I had just left school and was working in an office - and beehive hairstyles all the rage - we would feel envious of the girls who worked in factories and who would go to work with their heads covered in enormous rollers so that they could take them out for an evening in the youth club/dance hall and look absolutely fabulous!!   We who worked in the offices etc would just have to do with sleeping in rollers (ouch!!) and using masses of lacquer in the morning!

What goes round, comes round ......:)

>> What goes round, comes round ......:-)

Lol, is the only difference now that people don't wear headscarves over them now?  see it's not just the youth of today ha ha!

> headscarves

I've just realised: I can't remember that last time I saw one!  One used to see elderly ladies in pastel coloured macs wearing a headscarf, sometimes the chiffon (now that's a great word) ones used to be worn home from the hairdresser - after a purple rinse and set.  Oh! and there's another thing - who 'sets' their hair any more

Oh don't get me started...

I shall be 'remember when' ing all night! :)

> headscarves

I've just realised: I can't remember that last time I saw one!

My mum wears them

Oh! and there's another thing - who 'sets' their hair any more

My mum does :-) and she also has a plastic rain mac in her handbag :-)

Quite upmarket people wear headscarves nowadays. ;-) But not the rollers (in public).

> My mum wears them

Now I find that hugely comforting.  I was just wondering where the world had moved to whilst I wasn't looking!

JG of course!  You're absolutely right - the queen wears headscarves too.

There's a rather reassurringly 1950's retro groove goin' on with some of our older ladies.  I don't have the confidence to go headscarfing but wouldn't it be great for those 'yuk, look at my hair' or 'blimey it's windy' kind of days :)

> My mum does :-) and she also has a plastic rain mac in her handbag

My nan has been known to put a carrier bag over her head (while in the middle of town) just because she didnt have an umbrella or anything to prevent her hair getting wet. Her words : I wasnt going to let the rain ruin my 'set' :-)